Stone's latest hyped announcement

[Phischy1]

And i thought VT beers were poor rip-offs of San Diego Pale Ales.

Leave it to Stone to screw up a rip-off of a rip-off.

 

[coldafpipes]

And i thought VT beers were poor rip-offs of San Diego Pale Ales.
Leave it to Stone to screw up a rip-off of a rip-off.

 

[StarRaptor1]

You might want to read the fine print. Woot and Alesmith got Team Stone discounts. Not the case for Lost Abbey and Maui.

I don't know of any that came with $20 in gift cards. You need to travel to Maui to use that $10 gift certificate.

Yeah I'm aware of Woot and Alesmith only getting "Team Stone" and I plan on making it to Maui to use it anyway

 

[FBIinformant]

Ha, so Stone's holding off on their Bruery collab anouncement until one of those others kicks, I guess. No epic huge reason to wake up on Monday announcement.

No wonder Robin Williams killed himself.

 

[FBIinformant]

Hee, you gotta love the description on the bruery collab.

• Our friends up the road in Orange County are expert yeast and bacteria wranglers who create wildly inventive and top-shelf bottle-conditioned beers. For this particular brew, the label might say, “Something Something Imperial Berliner Weisse.” Or something entirely different[/quote

They better tent up the Berlin brewery after Patrick visits. Otherwise aside from this imperial berliner accidentally going sour, everything they crank out there will be as well.

 

[sandiego67]

It is starting to sound like a new business plan; pre-sell all of your experimental beer.

Your Favorite Beers are Coming Back!

We want to thank all the craft beer fans who made our Stone Groundbreaking Collaborations campaign such a success…but talk is cheap. We’re more into the put-up-or-shutup model.

The people have spoken…and they are thirsty for more beer. As we’ve moved beers off the Indiegogo site to bring aboard new collaborations for pre-sale, we heard the inevitable cries of, “But wait…I didn’t get mine!” Now that all of the collaborations are guaranteed to be brewed (we hit the minimum sales thresholds), we’re changing things up a bit. We’ve heard your pleas, so we’re putting up EVERY BEER released as part of this campaign, STARTING AUGUST 15.

The beers will be re-released two at a time for four days each (96 hours/5,760 minutes/345,600 seconds). That’s right…we’re giving you 345,600 SECONDS to get that beer you missed out on or more of that beer you WISH you’d ordered more of. Some of these sold out so fast that people missed out, and that’s the last thing we wanted. This is about providing beer, not prohibiting access to it.

What about those who bought in early? Is this fair to them? Well, the early birds got worms that are no longer available—special discounts, gift cards, etc. For this go-round it’s all about straight beer sales, and the price of those beers has gone up by $3 per bottle (still cheaper than what the marked-up retail price will be in 2-3 years…if you’ll even be able to find any).

And last but not least, we’ve enlisted THREE MORE of our craft brewing friends to get on board and brew two special Stone Groundbreaking Collaboration beers with us in Berlin. Their identities will be shared during the final 14 days of the campaign, which will end at NOON, AUGUST 29th.

Thanks again for making this such a successful effort. We look forward to further showing you our appreciation with some incredible, incredible beers!

 

[LukeAleTime]

Holy ****.

 

[drgarage1]

Wait, did they just confirm these will hit retail? That's hilarious.

 

[matedog]

Wait, did they just confirm these will hit retail? That's hilarious.

So I'll save the airfare for flying to SD to pick this **** up and pick it up off the shelf for a mere $5 markup or some ****. Assuming any of them are worthwhile.

 

[coldafpipes]

Wait, did they just confirm these will hit retail? That's hilarious.

I'm sure this will end up being successful...and catch on. Just one of those horrible car crash/business
type of things that although makes no sense, people will love?

 

[LukeAleTime]

I'm sure this will end up being successful...and catch on. Just one of those horrible car crash/business
type of things that although makes no sense, people will love?

$1.5mil says it already is?

 

[sandiego67]

I'm sure this will end up being successful...and catch on. Just one of those horrible car crash/business
type of things that although makes no sense, people will love?

It actually makes a lot of sense to Stone. They have mitigated all of their risk and also been able to invite some their business partners in the distribution chain on an all-expense paid trip to Europe, all paid for by the adoring public.

 

[Phischy1]

It actually makes a lot of sense to Stone. They have mitigated all of their risk and also been able to invite some their business partners in the distribution chain on an all-expense paid trip to Europe, all paid for by the adoring public.

Thats the Beer Advocate business model!

 

[FBIinformant]

Hahaha hahahahaha. So all these uber special beers will just end up in retail anyway.... But at a few bucks more!

I'm pretty sure that if instead of supporting Stone's pre-sale ********, you took that $30 the magnum cost you and invest it in something that isn't a Stone interest free loan, that you'd at least triple the amount of money by the time these collaborations are finally ready in 2016-2017


It's hilarious that they talk about the early worms getting the benefits of all that added **** when they were constantly updating, changing and otherwise tweaking this out. Remember what happened to that famed Team Stone one day discount?

 

[FBIinformant]

The thing that is very odd about this whole "Second chance to buy the pre-order of the beer you missed out on before!" is that they act as if those who blindly bought it a week or two ago had more faith in this vaporware pre-order than those who now.

As if the beer is more tangible now. It's all just ******* pre-ordering a beer that isn't going to be ready for a whole 2-3 more ******* years. This whole act of rewarding those with arbitrary benefits that are no longer offered at this stage seems stupid as again, it's all a ******* FUTURES sell.

It's rather clear that Stone and Greg were shitting the bag at the initial response, and then threw the kitchen sink in to try to sell you on it. Then realized how much they were ******* themselves over with the whole Team Stone ******** and then slowly and quietly backed out of those incentives without making it really known.

So much so that they had to send out some letters to those who bought into the Lost Abbey collab telling them that they decided to reneg on the Team Stone discount. HA!

Arrogant? More like Flaky Bastard.
"You're not worthy of our fizzy yellow hubris!"

 

[bathroomlaughter]

wait so these beers are actually not even going to be available for pick up for 2-3 years? these people gave them a million dollars for a bunch of likely terrible collaborations that they are going to forget about before they can pick them up?

aaaaaand they're all going to be released to the public? ******* incredible. ******* god damn incredible.

 

[lucas1801]

wait so these beers are actually not even going to be available for pick up for 2-3 years? these people gave them a million dollars for a bunch of likely terrible collaborations that they are going to forget about before they can pick them up?

aaaaaand they're all going to be released to the public? ******* incredible. ******* god damn incredible.

Totally some bathroom laughter

 

[pjl44]

And what is VT style IPA?

Hazy, low carbonation, soft mouthfeel, low bitterness. I can't tell you how this is achieved, but it's distinct. People love to moan about it, but I hadn't tried anything like it until Heady/HF/Double Sunshine. There are a couple breweries in MA kicking out something similar now, so maybe it's catching on.

 

[Previously]

Hazy, low carbonation, soft mouthfeel, low bitterness. I can't tell you how this is achieved...

So...Alpine IPAs? They've been making them since Shaun Hill was just a baby.

 

[falc0n26001]

Hazy, low carbonation, soft mouthfeel, low bitterness. I can't tell you how this is achieved, but it's distinct. People love to moan about it, but I hadn't tried anything like it until Heady/HF/Double Sunshine. There are a couple breweries in MA kicking out something similar now, so maybe it's catching on.

So...Alpine IPAs? They've been making them since Shaun Hill was just a baby.

Pretty sure Cellarmaker qualifies too.

 

[Previously]

Pretty sure Cellarmaker qualifies too.

Sure, but they're a brand new brewery. My point was that "low carb, hazy, soft mouthfeel, low bitterness" IPAs have been brewed for decades in San Diego (and elsewhere, I'm sure). It's not a Vermont thing. An IPA is an IPA is an IPA. I particularly dislike the notion of region-specific IPA styles.

 

[pjl44]

So...Alpine IPAs? They've been making them since Shaun Hill was just a baby.

The Alpine IPAs I've had in bottles were delicious, but not like that at all. If growler/draft is different, I'll take your word for it as I've never had the pleasure. To this day I haven't had one like that outside of New England. I'm staking no claim to them being the first, etc., but just defining the term.

 

[stupac2]

The Alpine IPAs I've had in bottles were delicious, but not like that at all. If growler/draft is different, I'll take your word for it as I've never had the pleasure. To this day I haven't had one like that outside of New England. I'm staking no claim to them being the first, etc., but just defining the term.

I think you're putting too much emphasis on "hazy". The fact that Heady looks more or less like bleached diarrhea doesn't really make it different from other IPAs that taste similar.

 

[drgarage1]

I think you're putting too much emphasis on "hazy". The fact that Heady looks more or less like bleached diarrhea doesn't really make it different from other IPAs that taste similar.

In fairness, the haze comes from Conan's poor flocculation, and since the yeast is also the source of the signature peachy smell, you could say the haze is related to the taste...

 

[stupac2]

In fairness, the haze comes from Conan's poor flocculation, and since the yeast is also the source of the signature peachy smell, you could say the haze is related to the taste...

Right, but Heady is hardly the only IPA that's piney and fruity. Those are basically the flavors behind every IPA ever.

 

[drgarage1]

Right, but Heady is hardly the only IPA that's piney and fruity. Those are basically the flavors behind every IPA ever.

Yes. The source of the fruityness is somewhat unique though. Most get it from the hops. Heady is basically all dank and piney hops with weird apricot-producing yeast.

 

[pjl44]

I think you're putting too much emphasis on "hazy". The fact that Heady looks more or less like bleached diarrhea doesn't really make it different from other IPAs that taste similar.

Not just Heady...the HF and Lawson's stuff the same. And that was one of four descriptors, with no particular emphasis put on one versus the overall picture.

 

[stupac2]

Not just Heady...the HF and Lawson's stuff the same. And that was one of four descriptors, with no particular emphasis put on one versus the overall picture.

Right, but the other descriptors are just describing any IPA (or aren't actually describing the beers you purport to describe, how are they "low carb?" I just had a Heady that poured half foam). Any Lawson's and HF aren't any hazier than anything else.

There's nothing special about Vermont IPAs.

 

[pjl44]

Right, but the other descriptors are just describing any IPA (or aren't actually describing the beers you purport to describe, how are they "low carb?" I just had a Heady that poured half foam). Any Lawson's and HF aren't any hazier than anything else.

There's nothing special about Vermont IPAs.

If you put a Double Sunshine and Abner next to a Pliny and Sculpin those are wildly different approaches to the same style. Change the name if you have a bug up your ass about Vermont. The point is that people go for a shorthand to have at the ready for a description and that's what they landed on. If you're telling me there isn't a noticeable difference in the sets of beers I mentioned, you're being obtuse.

 

[stupac2]

If you put a Double Sunshine and Abner next to a Pliny and Sculpin those are wildly different approaches to the same style. Change the name if you have a bug up your ass about Vermont. The point is that people go for a shorthand to have at the ready for a description and that's what they landed on. If you're telling me there isn't a noticeable difference in the sets of beers I mentioned, you're being obtuse.

The differences between Double Sunshine, Heady, and Abner are just as big as the differences between Pliny, Sculpin, and Duet. There is nothing special about the IPAs being made by those breweries, they're very similar (except Heady with its silly yeast) to ones being made elsewhere in this country and in other countries. If you disagree then you're ignorant.