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See I took it as yet another "lol, women don't drink beer" marketing campaign. I mean vaginas are icky. I have one. I can tell you precisely how gross they get, in the same way you can tell me how gross the back side of your balls get after Taco Bell, but they clean up alright and that isn't the point. This is one more trip down creeper road. The secret beer party that only men are invited to. It's not quite as offensive as attaching the word rape to anything that has to do with inflated shelf or trade prices, but it's getting close. /srsbusiness

I think the idea of making beer from vaginal yeast would work better from a feminist standpoint, not from some creeps in Poland who are somehow trying to market this as a sexual experience. If a woman was behind this as some sort of statement/project/experiment, I'd be 100% for it.
 
See I took it as yet another "lol, women don't drink beer" marketing campaign. I mean vaginas are icky. I have one. I can tell you precisely how gross they get, in the same way you can tell me how gross the back side of your balls get after Taco Bell, but they clean up alright and that isn't the point. This is one more trip down creeper road. The secret beer party that only men are invited to. It's not quite as offensive as attaching the word rape to anything that has to do with inflated shelf or trade prices, but it's getting close. /srsbusiness

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I think the idea of making beer from vaginal yeast would work better from a feminist standpoint, not from some creeps in Poland who are somehow trying to market this as a sexual experience. If a woman was behind this as some sort of statement/project/experiment, I'd be 100% for it.
This is the biggest point. And a feminist vaginal beer has been made before, and not that long ago.

That marketing copy is literally the creepiest **** I have ever read. Borderline cannibalism.
 
See I took it as yet another "lol, women don't drink beer" marketing campaign. I mean vaginas are icky. I have one. I can tell you precisely how gross they get, in the same way you can tell me how gross the back side of your balls get after Taco Bell, but they clean up alright and that isn't the point. This is one more trip down creeper road. The secret beer party that only men are invited to. It's not quite as offensive as attaching the word rape to anything that has to do with inflated shelf or trade prices, but it's getting close. /srsbusiness

Thank you for this. This is very well-written and something that needs to be said. (Except for the Taco Bell part, probably.)

Beer is a strangely homogeneous crowd. Mainly male, mainly white, mainly 24-38. In both tech and finance (I work in the intersection of those two industries), the same problem exists. It becomes a serious problem in that lack of diversity in the workplace leads directly to the problem of a tighter feedback loop, lack of difference in opinion, and failure to address problems in novel ways. In beer, where it's much less serious, there's still an issue: when I talk about how a beer tastes/smells, I can only do so from my experiential language/palate.

For example, the marketplace is filled with myriad "mole stouts" that most people probably think taste like mole, but that frankly do not. There is no doubt that there are flavors in some beers that I miss simply because I don't have a lot of experience with the flavor. How often does lychee escape me, for example?

Gender diversity is also valuable, even if it is less likely to affect flavors in the manner I describe above as much as ethnic diversity. Gender diversity provides for a group to be less insular, more welcoming toward outsiders who don't share the same experiences and therefore have new points of view to offer. It also encourages groups to be more empathetic toward the worldviews of others.

I imagine there were people who read trickytunadicky's paragraph above and think "There's nothing wrong with 'traderape,' people just need to be less sensitive." There's probably also people who think, "whoa I didn't even consider that that might offend some people, or be a trigger to some people." In a more gender-diverse beer scene, such a statement from trickytunadicky would just go without saying. Instead, I can imagine a lot of people rolling their eyes even at my response.

Anyway I won't drag this out any longer, but I do think it's a discussion that needs to happen on a larger scale, and I do think that places like TalkBeer are actually more conducive to discussions like this than a lot of other sites: even though we're pretty ******* insular, we're also pretty reasonable.
 
Thank you for this. This is very well-written and something that needs to be said. (Except for the Taco Bell part, probably.)

Beer is a strangely homogeneous crowd. Mainly male, mainly white, mainly 24-38. In both tech and finance (I work in the intersection of those two industries), the same problem exists. It becomes a serious problem in that lack of diversity in the workplace leads directly to the problem of a tighter feedback loop, lack of difference in opinion, and failure to address problems in novel ways. In beer, where it's much less serious, there's still an issue: when I talk about how a beer tastes/smells, I can only do so from my experiential language/palate.

For example, the marketplace is filled with myriad "mole stouts" that most people probably think taste like mole, but that frankly do not. There is no doubt that there are flavors in some beers that I miss simply because I don't have a lot of experience with the flavor. How often does lychee escape me, for example?

Gender diversity is also valuable, even if it is less likely to affect flavors in the manner I describe above as much as ethnic diversity. Gender diversity provides for a group to be less insular, more welcoming toward outsiders who don't share the same experiences and therefore have new points of view to offer. It also encourages groups to be more empathetic toward the worldviews of others.

I imagine there were people who read trickytunadicky's paragraph above and think "There's nothing wrong with 'traderape,' people just need to be less sensitive." There's probably also people who think, "whoa I didn't even consider that that might offend some people, or be a trigger to some people." In a more gender-diverse beer scene, such a statement from trickytunadicky would just go without saying. Instead, I can imagine a lot of people rolling their eyes even at my response.

Anyway I won't drag this out any longer, but I do think it's a discussion that needs to happen on a larger scale, and I do think that places like TalkBeer are actually more conducive to discussions like this than a lot of other sites: even though we're pretty ******* insular, we're also pretty reasonable.
I actually included that purposely because most of the time I am a-ok with the dudebro humor that gets tossed around in beer circles, and I work in an engineering firm. It is the quintessential sausage factory.
 
"lol, beards are so trendy.... every guy has one now... literally like 1 in 10 guys. why do people follow trends like that?"

#theother90%ofguyswithoutfacialhairwhothinkthey'recoolfornotfollowing"atrend'
 
I had to shave my beard last week. Seeing my face with no hair on it for the first time in two years reminded me why i didnt shave it off. I look like a prepubescent naked mole rat.
My face doesn't work without some kind of hair on it. Every now and again when I shave it off I'm reminded of that.
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My face doesn't work without some kind of hair on it. Every now and again when I shave it off I'm reminded of that.
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Oh it doesnt work at all. Its awful. I did it for a job and my trimmers were broken so I decided to shave it all off and start from scratch. Well that was a bad decision.
 

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