PLEASE let the Northern Brewer buy-out be a hoax!

[55x11]

When did you start homebrewing?

How much $$$ do you make a year?
If I offered 50 times that for you to retire right now, would you take it?

 

[55x11]

What does that mean??

It's a pivot. He is saying {translating}: I disagree with your point of view so let's make this personal.

My point is very simple: it is easy to talk in absolutes and how NB are "traitors" etc., but it takes a little more effort to try and put yourself in other people's situation and see their perspective. I do see NB owners perspective: I won't blame them for "selling out", aka cashing in on their business, if the deal is much better than fair (hearing of Constellation acquisition of Ballast Point - 1B for $50M a year business? that's crazy! - I don't doubt they have cash to make an offer owners can't refuse) and if their life circumstances dictate it.

Those of you who say they would have never sold out to InBev, good for you, but think again. Everyone, every business has a price. You are delusional if you think you don't.

 

[passedpawn]

How much $$$ do you make a year?
If I offered 50 times that for you to retire right now, would you take it?

I'd like to throw my name in the hat jic leon isn't down. Thank you for your consideration!

And, back on topic, you guys can carry a note! I'm a long-time, avid homebrewer, intimately involved in it, and I still don't give a crap about this acquisition. If it was my LHBS, I'd probably be stoked. Outside of the area, who cares?

Man o man, I just made a saison and split it in half. Half of it is ginger'ed. That's some serious ginger. Neighbor took a sip, grimaced, and said "that's rough". I like ginger. I wonder if InBev can affect the price of ginger. Foil hat!

 

[55x11]

I'd like to throw my name in the hat jic leon isn't down. Thank you for your consideration!

And, back on topic, you guys can carry a note! I'm a long-time, avid homebrewer, intimately involved in it, and I still don't give a crap about this acquisition. If it was my LHBS, I'd probably be stoked. Outside of the area, who cares?

Man o man, I just made a saison and split it in half. Half of it is ginger'ed. That's some serious ginger. Neighbor took a sip, grimaced, and said "that's rough". I like ginger. I wonder if InBev can affect the price of ginger. Foil hat!

Thank You, that's part of my argument in my original post:

If it's some evil conspiracy to rid of all, or most, or even, some homebrewers - I just don't get it.

Unlike commercial brewers, we don't care too much about margins - if my 5G homebrews started costing me $30 instead of $25, or even $50 instead of $25, I would still brew. Hell, even $100 - my time is worth a lot more. And if you look at the expensive "toys" we tend to buy, it's clear we are not in this hobby just to save some $.

I personally don't see Northern Brewer as some sort of innovator of homebrewing - it's just a distributor of goods. And if the grand conspiracy is to corner the market on Big Mouth Bubblers or East Coast IPA extract kits, just so they can make a killing by charing 10 times more once they drive some LHBS out of business - good luck to that plan!

 

[passedpawn]

I think NB is awesome. I'm guessing they will still be awesome. I read their impressive catalogs. I don't buy from them because I build most of my own equipment, because I don't value my own time and I know I can build it 50% as good as they can for twice as much $$. But dammit, I'm a DIY guy

I buy ingredients local. It probably costs more, but I love my local. I consider the owner a friend, and there's some value there.

 

[ericbw]

I'd like to throw my name in the hat jic leon isn't down. Thank you for your consideration!

And, back on topic, you guys can carry a note! I'm a long-time, avid homebrewer, intimately involved in it, and I still don't give a crap about this acquisition. If it was my LHBS, I'd probably be stoked. Outside of the area, who cares?

Man o man, I just made a saison and split it in half. Half of it is ginger'ed. That's some serious ginger. Neighbor took a sip, grimaced, and said "that's rough". I like ginger. I wonder if InBev can affect the price of ginger. Foil hat!

What are the specs on your saison?

 

[passedpawn]

What are the specs on your saison?

I'll post at some point.

 

[ericbw]

I'll post at some point.

"I'll keep you in suspense."

 

[Homercidal]

FWIW I don't begrudge the previous owners of NB their windfall. If someone is smart enough, and ballsy enough to invest their own money into a business, and weather it through rough financial times, and grow it until it's big enough and profitable enough for someone to offer a bunch of money for it, then good for them!

But based on past experience with denying credit card fraud happened, when it did, and with the whole glass BMB fiasco, I simply choose to buy my stuff from other online stores when I buy online. Add in the fact that I don't care to support the massive automated factories brewing BMC, and I'll happily continue to purchase from other sources.

Now I see Bud is testing a driverless semi to haul it's beer across the country. Some day there will be no truck driver jobs. What are those people going to do? We're automating ourselves into extinction.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Now I see Bud is testing a driverless semi to haul it's beer across the country. Some day there will be no truck driver jobs. What are those people going to do? We're automating ourselves into extinction.

Not so much Bud as it is Uber. They've been testing in Pittsburg and San Fran for a while, IIUC. It starts with Taxi's. Only makes sense to evolve into commercial freight.

 

[passedpawn]

"I'll keep you in suspense."

Haha, sorry. I think it's 6.5% ABV. I'll post the entire recipe to the database and (I hope) drop you a PM when I do.

 

[Paps]

Not so much Bud as it is Uber. They've been testing in Pittsburg and San Fran for a while, IIUC. It starts with Taxi's. Only makes sense to evolve into commercial freight.

Having driven both semis and taxis, I can garuntee you that the taxis were only for "testing" the end goal is/was allways to automate Trucker fleets(semis)
The bigger the fleet the more the potential savings from laying off drivers.
These savings however WILL NOT be passed on to consumers but turned into a higher profit margin.
Those former drivers will enter the marketplace for jobs competing with others in their towns driving up inflation and driving down wages as the labor pool is now bigger (insert supply & demand lecture here)

I'm for tech advancements but i can see that this one is being pursued for the sole reason to eliminate jobs.

 

[mmb]

I'm for tech advancements but i can see that this one is being pursued for the sole reason to reduce cost.

Fixed that for you. It's all about keeping costs down.

 

[Paps]

Fixed that for you. It's all about keeping costs down.

Reduced costs achieved BY.........(drumroll)
eliminating jobs.

 

[AF1HomeBrew]

Maybe this is why Inbev purchased NB/MWS:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-25/aetna-says-obamacare-plans-aren-t-worth-it-to-healthy-people

 

[xandersaml]

It's a pivot. He is saying {translating}: I disagree with your point of view so let's make this personal.

My point is very simple: it is easy to talk in absolutes and how NB are "traitors" etc., but it takes a little more effort to try and put yourself in other people's situation and see their perspective. I do see NB owners perspective: I won't blame them for "selling out", aka cashing in on their business, if the deal is much better than fair (hearing of Constellation acquisition of Ballast Point - 1B for $50M a year business? that's crazy! - I don't doubt they have cash to make an offer owners can't refuse) and if their life circumstances dictate it.

Those of you who say they would have never sold out to InBev, good for you, but think again. Everyone, every business has a price. You are delusional if you think you don't.

I don't blame anyone selling their business; it is their business. I don't blame anyone for choosing to no longer support a business they do not agree with; it is their business.
If you wish to buy from NB, have at it. If not, don't.

 

[passedpawn]

Now I see Bud is testing a driverless semi to haul it's beer across the country. Some day there will be no truck driver jobs. What are those people going to do? We're automating ourselves into extinction.

Design robots. Build robots. Sell robots. Service robots.

There was a time when a man could make a good living shoeing horses. If that guy is still around, he'd be doing something else now. I'm sure my words are wasted here on people who are already in an immutable path in life, but meh I'll say it anyway: get on the tech train folks, and do it when you're young and your brain is malleable.

I guess I'm changing the subject here, and off topic. Sorry, back to bud bashing!

 

[WaltStarr]

Design robots. Build robots. Sell robots. Service robots.

There was a time when a man could make a good living shoeing horses. If that guy is still around, he'd be doing something else now. I'm sure my words are wasted here on people who are already in an immutable path in life, but meh I'll say it anyway: get on the tech train folks, and do it when you're young and your brain is malleable.

I guess I'm changing the subject here, and off topic. Sorry, back to bud bashing!

The robot design, manufacture, sales, and service jobs will be done cheaper in other countries, so no robot support jobs for you.

 

[hunter_le five]

Electric lights? What will the poor lamplighters do for work?

Alarm clocks? How will the knocker-uppers feed their children?

Electronic mail? Why, the postmen will soon go the way of the dinosaur!

Meh. A thousand times meh.

 

[bob1852]

Now I see Bud is testing a driverless semi to haul it's beer across the country. Some day there will be no truck driver jobs. What are those people going to do? We're automating ourselves into extinction.

So they're disruptive strategy is to make driverless delivery of homebrew ingredients. Brilliant!

 

[day_trippr]

So they're disruptive strategy is to make driverless delivery of homebrew ingredients. Brilliant!

If they could deliver a pound of Simcoe pellets by Friday I'd be ok with it...

Cheers!

 

[bruteforce]

So they're disruptive strategy is to make driverless delivery of homebrew ingredients. Brilliant!

You're thinking too small. They're behind the automated homebrewing solutions too. Soon, driverless trucks will offload cheap homebrew ingredients directly into your brew system, which them brews it to the overlord's exacting specifications. All will be integrated.

 

[bob1852]

You're thinking too small. They're behind the automated homebrewing solutions too. Soon, driverless trucks will offload cheap homebrew ingredients directly into your brew system, which them brews it to the overlord's exacting specifications. All will be integrated.

Wait, NB is going to deliver premade homebrew via driverless trucks? Just place your order and they'll brew it and deliver if for you!

 

[mmb]

Design robots. Build robots. Sell robots. Service robots.

There was a time when a man could make a good living shoeing horses. If that guy is still around, he'd be doing something else now. I'm sure my words are wasted here on people who are already in an immutable path in life, but meh I'll say it anyway: get on the tech train folks, and do it when you're young and your brain is malleable.

I guess I'm changing the subject here, and off topic. Sorry, back to bud bashing!

A man can still make a good living shoeing horses in horse country...

Wait, NB is going to deliver premade homebrew via driverless trucks? Just place your order and they'll brew it and deliver if for you!

NB-AbInbev already does so.

 

[mike_g08]

I unsubscribed from both MW and NB email lists the other day, offering "AB-Inbev Ownership" as my reason for unsubscribing. I figure a person ought to let them know where they went wrong.

 

[WaltStarr]

I unsubscribed from both MW and NB email lists the other day, offering "AB-Inbev Ownership" as my reason for unsubscribing. I figure a person ought to let them know where they went wrong.

I did the same thing and have already placed an order over $100 for a new burner from HomeBrewSupply.com. The new Blichmann Hellfire burner caught my interest when I received an email from HomeBrewSupply.com.

 

[ericbw]

Wait, NB is going to deliver premade homebrew via driverless trucks? Just place your order and they'll brew it and deliver if for you!

It will already be drunk for you as well.

 

[alane1]

I'm sure the guys shoeing the Clydesdale's will be busy

 

[skraeling]

Anyone else find it funny midwest is selling reconditioned kegs for 100.00 but you can get NEW ones from guys like farmhouse brewing supply for 75..

 

[ericbw]

Anyone else find it funny midwest is selling reconditioned kegs for 100.00 but you can get NEW ones from guys like farmhouse brewing supply for 75..

Thats way over priced for reconditioned. The list price for new is usually over 100. Used are usually around 60. They prob don't sell.