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Just jumping into the conversation. Am disappointed with this, but I am guessing that they're not going to change anything big for the first few months.

I'll be looking at other places to buy stuff at, but I don't know how many places will sell the variety of things that NB does. And didn't they also buy the group that supplies LHBS, etc?

Not sure where I'd be able to go now where I can get things like MCI Stout Malt, and my local shop doesn't have the wide variety of ingredients, especially malts and yeast. The shop I went to when I'd visit my in-laws is closed, and I still don't know what I can count on at the shop I visit when I go to my parents.

Any suggestions?
 
Never shopped with NB, and now never will. I don't support any breweries that AB has acquired, even some great local ones in my area. Time to start voting with your wallets folks; check out the little guys in and around your area, or take a look at some other non-AB online shops.
 
A sad day indeed. I'm guessing Ab InBev will use their muscle to bully the other homebrew supply houses with ingredients they same way they bully craft breweries.

I'll still do my best to avoid purchasing anything from them.
 
This is absolutely horrible! Kinda makes me want to go buy a six pack of Budweiser just to dump it down the toilet... That or go puke in a bag.

I buy stuff from both of the shops but I guess at this point it's time to stop. I can't believe we continue to allow such few mega-corps to buy up everything. AB InBev grosses 36 Billion a year so I can't exactly figure out why they want the home brew stores other than to start force feeding us their marketing BS.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the shops. Will prices go up, will they go down along with quality? Will we start seeing everything branded as Budweiser? No matter how this plays out I can't see it being good.

It hasn't been good for Elysian Brewery which is here in my backyard. Their beer gets crappier by the day and most people I know stopped buying it along with all the other "Craft" beers that keep getting bought out. Just look at Redhook, Kona or Widmer... They all suck pretty bad and are just a glimpse of what's to come for anyone bought out by the worlds largest maker of crap beer...
 
Remember that many a businessman's dream is to grow their business to the point where someone wants to give them a lot of money for it.

They get our of debt quick, and get a nice retirement fund out of the deal.
 
Its always a sad day when corporate behemoths take over the little guy. But come on folks, sacks of grain are much cheaper picked up locally from the LHBS. And hops are much cheaper by the pound from hops folks online (like YakimaValley). Hardware is better sourced from the few hardware guys online and yeast is easily propagated so how often do you really buy new yeast. This isint a big deal. And there are choices out there, welcome to free market capitalism. Ive always preferred Morebeer.com and AIH anyway on the rare occasion I buy online. NB has a new boss who will be skimming the profits and demanding a certain margin %. Long term NB WILL have to change to accomodate this, contrary to their press release. I wish them the best, may the strongest survive.
 
Remember that many a businessman's dream is to grow their business to the point where someone wants to give them a lot of money for it.

They get our of debt quick, and get a nice retirement fund out of the deal.

Thats the dream. Start up, get bought out, start up again and repeat.
 
Boycott abinbev/NB /Midwest supplies! I think nb was not doing good and Palmer tried to launch anvil to get out of northern brewer business and trying to establish a big brand with anvil through his identity but that was without success as blichmann has to help promotion and no real success for him promoting lamotte either. I think he should write books and do what randy Mosher does. Abinbev will try to get into the homebrewing business to establish the biggest homebrewing shop in the world! That's for sure. If they can't compete with the micro breweries anymore they are just smart enough to think that homebrewing can be the most important beer business because one day it will be easy to make as good beer as the best microbreweries and more people will make beer from home! Abinbev is now trying to steal back the customers they lost over the last decades + customers from all the microbreweries which kicked their ass. Don't do them a favor!
 
InBev Executive: "Those darned HOMEBREWERS! That's it. Have ZX buy their supply shops, and they wont' have any choice but to give us their money! MWUAHAHAHAH!!!! (rubs hands together in an evil fashion.)

Homebrewers across the nation: "What? Supply store now owned by InBev?? Well, shoot, I guess I'll go buy somewhere else then!"

InBev Executive: "What the heck, man! Norther Brewer sales are way down and we're getting hammered online?? I don't get it!" :mad:
 
I haven't placed many orders with NB in my life, but I did just unsubscribe from their emails and let them know why.

Adding some commentary on the sale, the homebrew supply side is a nice pickup for AB/Inbev, but NB supplies A LOT of stuff to the craft industry on the commercial side. Russian River, Stone, big craft breweries, they buy from NB. I think that is a much bigger deal here than the homebrew side…..
 
What is also interesting is that small homebrew shops are opening all the time because homebrewing represents a big opportunity. This leads to more competition between small businesses and crisis begins. This is exactly the fishing moment for abinbev. They are going to come with massive competitive pricing. Blichmann, ss brewtech, anvil, and more are made in China and abinbev will offer much better price/quality and that is one issue! They might even buy those factories and then they ll crush even the kettle and conical brands such as ss brewtech and blichmann!
 
I think what we are missing here is the choice that we have.

In my life, I choose to never buy an InBev product, although it's hard to do when you're standing in the craft beer aisle and the obfuscation of the labels and sources of the beer are done on purpose to hinder that ability.

I also avoid other shopping in places where I dislike their business practices- Menard's, Wal-Mart, etc.

Maybe they don't miss my paltry amount of purchasing anyway, but I feel strongly that supporting them only makes them more of a monopoly.

We all have that choice. Purchase from them, or don't. Either way should be respected. Nasty words and back-and-forth on the internet won't change a thing.
 
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NB supplies A LOT of stuff to the craft industry on the commercial side. Russian River, Stone, big craft breweries, they buy from NB. I think that is a much bigger deal here than the homebrew side…..

What are these craft breweries buying from NB???
Indeed it would be a bad thing for them if AB-INBEV gains control of their supply lines. I just don't see what these breweries would be buying from them. Grains and hops i'd figure they would be buying from maltsters/farmers directly.
 
Adding some commentary on the sale, the homebrew supply side is a nice pickup for AB/Inbev, but NB supplies A LOT of stuff to the craft industry on the commercial side. Russian River, Stone, big craft breweries, they buy from NB. I think that is a much bigger deal here than the homebrew side…..

what would they buy from NB?

Source?
 
I can see small craft breweries - ie, most of them - buying from suppliers as it wouldn't be practical for them to buy things like specialty malt from maltsters due to minimum order sizes. But I can't really see someone like Stone needing to
 
I think Norther Brewer might be conducting damage control now. Not long ago, someone tweeted the first of presumably many negative comments against the company. Looks like they quickly turned back the clock to show tweets from many days ago, so as not to risk their home page being filled with negative tweets:

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how horrible does it make me if I hope they ship grain on the cheap for a while? We used to get 2-row for $32/bag in group buys. After that, I can't in good conscious spend $50+ and feel satisfied...One year I brewed nearly 500 gallons, allegedly...cost adds up.
 
What are these craft breweries buying from NB???

Indeed it would be a bad thing for them if AB-INBEV gains control of their supply lines. I just don't see what these breweries would be buying from them. Grains and hops i'd figure they would be buying from maltsters/farmers directly.


They get 10000000s of 1 ounce hop packs.
 
Its always a sad day when corporate behemoths take over the little guy. But come on folks, sacks of grain are much cheaper picked up locally from the LHBS. And hops are much cheaper by the pound from hops folks online (like YakimaValley). Hardware is better sourced from the few hardware guys online and yeast is easily propagated so how often do you really buy new yeast. This isint a big deal. And there are choices out there, welcome to free market capitalism. Ive always preferred Morebeer.com and AIH anyway on the rare occasion I buy online. NB has a new boss who will be skimming the profits and demanding a certain margin %. Long term NB WILL have to change to accomodate this, contrary to their press release. I wish them the best, may the strongest survive.

I appreciate the optimism, but I feel like adding my $0.02 here.

My LHBS has a very limited variety of malts. They aren't about to start stocking MCI Stout Malt or debittered black malt because of little ol' me. That isn't to say that they aren't good, I do buy from them when I can and I always like to talk with them, but they just don't have the variety. I've visited some other LHBS and they just don't stock a big variety of malts.

Hops by the pound? Not for those of us who brew batches under 5 gallons and don't usually go for the hop bombs. Lots of people start out with 1-gallon batches, and I've settled on 3 gallon. Sure there are a lot of homebrewers making 5 gallons of IPA on a regular basis, but I rarely use more than a couple ounces per brew, and I doubt I'm alone. And I'd rather not get a vacuum sealing system and take up more space in my freezer, and I've heard that it takes that kind of system to keep hops long-term.

Yeast being easy enough to propagate is debatable. I have reused yeast, but being an apartment brewer with few people to share with I just can't brew frequently enough and I don't have enough fridge space to keep a yeast bank going to my liking. A yeast cake can be rinsed and kept reliably for a few months, but anything more long term probably requires some lab equipment. And this is all assuming that you're happy with one kind of yeast strain, but I like to brew bockish lagers, sweet stouts, and the occasional saison, and then just whatever I feel like brewing on a whim that week. Also, my LHBS only carries White Labs yeast (I prefer Wyeast) and I've gotten burned a few times not checking the expiration date. Counting on the LHBS or my rinsing of yeast cakes just doesn't work for me, and again, I doubt I'm alone.

"Welcome to {obvious part of the environment/situation/surrounding}" is cliche. I don't know how that statement helped you make any point.

I do appreciate your optimism, but people have a right to be annoyed that a company they've been doing business with suddenly sells out to a company that many of their customers don't like. I bet a lot of people are upset that they'd be supporting InBev if they bought that pumpkin ale kit from NB that they wanted to have ready for thanksgiving, or whatever kit they wanted to make for Christmas or New Years or the SuperB owl.

But I think one of your main points here is that life goes on, there are plenty of other places to shop, and options to explore. That is a good message. Today I found out that MoreBeer has malts from the Malting Company of Ireland, besides just their stout malt. I also found that their webpage is a little glitch-y.

I also think it is nifty that the homebrewing market is being taken seriously, and I think it makes perfect sense for a company like InBev to want to "Double Dip" (now I'm using cliches) in the fermented beverages market by getting into the homebrew supply market. They obviously know beer is big business and getting into the homebrew market is a way to diversify within that fermented beverages market. And now I'm overusing the word "market".

I liked doing business with NB because I liked BrewingTV, I liked the huge variety of ingredients I could get through them, I liked that they are based in the Twin Cities, and I thought that most of the investors were still in the U.S., but things have been changing for a while now. I don't know if I will completely stop shopping there, but I definitely wont do as much business with them.
 
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