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[kbuzz1]

But like Grodd87 said, the blame for this lies at least as much with the demand-siders, if you ask me.

Agree with this too...I'm always disheartened to find out that someone I know who is into craft beer has dropped a ton of loot on a bottle on the black market...

 

[PSUMike]

BTW, for those who haven't seen yet, it's BA Woodburner AND Oro ***** available. If you haven't had Oro and like spiced stouts, you'll need to try that one.

 

[troygreer]

Agree with this too...I'm always disheartened to find out that someone I know who is into craft beer has dropped a ton of loot on a bottle on the black market...

Craft beer has been just the latest in a long line of greed mongering that has plagued our culture. Sadly a lot of people don't want to go out and create or work, they would rather put themselves as another layer of expenses before the end user. Often they go around buying up the new/hot/rare items (especially around holidays) just to resell them. They don't understand that their personal greed is not providing a service to anyone, it is just pure greed. Look at Ebay, Stubhub and the like.

Video Game systems, action figures, Apple products, concert tickets and so many other things are snatched up and resold for no other reason than greed. It makes me sick to my stomach to think about how greedy people are these days and it is sad to see it roll over to craft beer as well.

 

[troygreer]

I can't recall what all I had at TH. I know I had Oat Potion and Mago Tago, and I tried whatever my wife had. really enjoyed Oat Potion.

They must be big fans of Can

 

[OneDropSoup]

Agree with this too...I'm always disheartened to find out that someone I know who is into craft beer has dropped a ton of loot on a bottle on the black market...

I think the "gimme gimme" mentality is at the core of this problem. Reminds me of Topher Grace's "You got any drugs?" monologue in Traffic. And as noble as it is that breweries do what they can to control this, don't think that they're totally excluded from this system.

 

[kbuzz1]

I think the "gimme gimme" mentality is at the core of this problem. Reminds me of Topher Grace's "You got any drugs?" monologue in Traffic. And as noble as it is that breweries do what they can to control this, don't think that they're totally excluded from this system.

And also...I think chefduff2 may have mentioned this back a few (hundred) pages...

The fear of missing out. The fear of being on the outside looking in. Fear of being the only one amongst your friends to not have the new hot ****.

Regarding the latter part of your statements...there are some breweries that charge an exorbitant amount for their beers because they can...but I'm not sure there are a great number of those...are there? But even so, at least it's their creation.

 

[OneDropSoup]

Video Game systems, action figures, Apple products, concert tickets and so many other things are snatched up and resold for no other reason than greed.

Greed AND people's addiction to consumption. Both sides of the equation are responsible.

 

[jeevo]

This is definitely a grey area regarding the secondary market, but I've purchased 6 De Garde bu's for $125 from someone before. I'm paying more than what it cost to buy off the shelf, but having it shipped directly to my doorstep. You know how much it would cost for me to physically go out to Oregon and buy the beers myself? I think that's what a lot of these buyers are factoring in when you see the ridiculous prices these new beers are being sold at. If you get a bunch of guys from say, California who want to try the Barrel Room 4 set, it was literally impossible for them to get a set. As ridiculous as it sounds, paying whatever amount it cost to get a set on the secondary market is not only the only way someone could get it, but probably cheaper too when you factor in travel costs.

 

[troygreer]

This is definitely a grey area regarding the secondary market, but I've purchased 6 De Garde bu's for $125 from someone before. I'm paying more than what it cost to buy off the shelf, but having it shipped directly to my doorstep. You know how much it would cost for me to physically go out to Oregon and buy the beers myself? I think that's what a lot of these buyers are factoring in when you see the ridiculous prices these new beers are being sold at. If you get a bunch of guys from say, California who want to try the Barrel Room 4 set, it was literally impossible for them to get a set. As ridiculous as it sounds, paying whatever amount it cost to get a set on the secondary market is not only the only way someone could get it, but probably cheaper too when you factor in travel costs.

If it costs that much, maybe we don't need said item????

 

[troygreer]

Greed AND people's addiction to consumption. Both sides of the equation are responsible.

I agree totally and I have to say that I really appreciate the breweries that are trying to crack down on resale. I have more of a problem with what is going on in the ticketing industry. Ticket brokers have designed programs that allow them to snatch up tickets in a matter of an instant when they go on sale, just so they can turn around and resell the tickets at a large markup. This has been going on for years and the big ticket agencies are doing nothing to stop it.

 

[PSUMike]

If it costs that much, maybe we don't need said item????

Don't confuse need and want

 

[OneDropSoup]

Regarding the latter part of your statements...there are some breweries that charge an exorbitant amount for their beers because they can...but I'm not sure there are a great number of those...are there? But even so, at least it's their creation.

Are breweries responsible for creating their own hype? If so, then why do they get mad when it tornadoes out of their control?

 

[PSUMike]

Are breweries responsible for creating their own hype?

Of course. Word of mouth marketing only really works on a micro scale.

If so, then why do they get mad when it tornadoes out of their control?

I can't say I do. I only get annoyed when their hype exceeds their product quality.

 

[jeevo]

If it costs that much, maybe we don't need said item????

Sure, but I never said that I didn't have the disposable income to purchase this. I didn't have a problem purchasing the De Garde beers for more than double what it costs because this was the easiest and most inexpensive way to acquire the beers. How else would I get beers that are only available from a brewery in Oregon?

 

[Grodd87]

If it costs that much, maybe we don't need said item????

I agree to a point. never going to knock someone for spending their own money on what ever they like. But the money that people spend on beer is crazy and something that turns me off from craft beer. Beer is only a small part of my life but for some people it is the only thing it seems and more power to who ever puts beer that high on their list just not me.

 

[kbuzz1]

Are breweries responsible for creating their own hype? If so, then why do they get mad when it tornadoes out of their control?

Hype shouldn't evolve into illegal ******** activities...nor should the potential of that evolution need to be considered when trying to build a brand.

 

[kbuzz1]

I like this thread so much better when we're talking about black jelly beans and ****...

 

[troygreer]

Sure, but I never said that I didn't have the disposable income to purchase this. I didn't have a problem purchasing the De Garde beers for more than double what it costs because this was the easiest and most inexpensive way to acquire the beers. How else would I get beers that are only available from a brewery in Oregon?

I completely understand your stand point. I just personally take the stance of not supporting the re-sellers. I feel like I am giving so much more to the brewery and the city that they support, by traveling to that area to experience it. I know that I miss out on a lot because I don't buy these items at inflated prices, but it is a choice I have made and I am perfectly fine with not having everything.

 

[preluderl]

I like this thread so much better when we're talking about black jelly beans and ****...

Good god black jelly beans are gross.

 

[kbuzz1]

Good god black jelly beans are gross.

You're gross.

 

[Grodd87]

Sure, but I never said that I didn't have the disposable income to purchase this. I didn't have a problem purchasing the De Garde beers for more than double what it costs because this was the easiest and most inexpensive way to acquire the beers. How else would I get beers that are only available from a brewery in Oregon?

It's America spend ur hard earned money on what ever the hell u want

 

[uvm2003]

Soooooooo; how about that pens game tonight?

kbuzz you should be happy, with the marquee matchup of pens/caps playoff hockey won't preempt the Pirates; although it's an afternoon game today.

 

[OneDropSoup]

This is definitely a grey area regarding the secondary market, but I've purchased 6 De Garde bu's for $125 from someone before. I'm paying more than what it cost to buy off the shelf, but having it shipped directly to my doorstep. You know how much it would cost for me to physically go out to Oregon and buy the beers myself? I think that's what a lot of these buyers are factoring in when you see the ridiculous prices these new beers are being sold at. If you get a bunch of guys from say, California who want to try the Barrel Room 4 set, it was literally impossible for them to get a set. As ridiculous as it sounds, paying whatever amount it cost to get a set on the secondary market is not only the only way someone could get it, but probably cheaper too when you factor in travel costs.

If it costs that much, maybe we don't need said item????

Don't confuse need and want

I'm coming from the experience of having to do PR for & defend the practices of a business that was constantly accused of price-gouging (see yesterday's "House of Rape" larf). Beer is not bottled water, or insulin, or generators. It's the definition of "luxury item". The product is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

THAT SAID, I hate that there exists an insatiable demand for this stuff. I personally have all but taken myself out of the chasing-trading-hype-whalezbro game, partly because I just can't afford it, & partly because it fuels this kind of out-of-control economy & bad vibes.

 

[OneDropSoup]

Of course. Word of mouth marketing only really works on a micro scale.



I can't say I do. I only get annoyed when their hype exceeds their product quality.

Sorry to confuse, but I meant then why do the producers get mad when the hype that they, in part, contributed to mutates beyond their reins?

 

[jeevo]

Soooooooo; how about that pens game tonight?

kbuzz you should be happy, with the marquee matchup of pens/caps playoff hockey won't preempt the Pirates; although it's an afternoon game today.

NFL draft too, but man, I think that ESPN ruined my enjoyment of this. It's become such an overblown and over-analyzed spectacle and runs longer than the ******* Super Bowl.

How 'bout the Ducks last night too? 4th consecutive year they lost a postseason game 7 on homce ice.

 

[Matthouse3]

Side bar - anyone know if Pizza Boy still has Permasmile bottles?

I'll sell you one for $175.

 

[preluderl]

I'm coming from the experience of having to do PR for & defend the practices of a business that was constantly accused of price-gouging (see yesterday's "House of Rape" larf).

You know, if you think about it, that establishment really isn't overpriced at all. No one else in the game offers you both out of market beers at a substantial mark up AND the opportunity to visit the lovely, scenic, conveniently located town of New Kensington.

(Okay, so maybe Beermuda offers that too... ****.)

 

[uvm2003]

NFL draft too, but man, I think that ESPN ruined my enjoyment of this. It's become such an overblown and over-analyzed spectacle and runs longer than the ******* Super Bowl.

How 'bout the Ducks last night too? 4th consecutive year they lost a postseason game 7 on homce ice.

I despise the preds, mainly because of lavy, but that was hilarious.

 

[preluderl]

NFL draft too, but man, I think that ESPN ruined my enjoyment of this. It's become such an overblown and over-analyzed spectacle and runs longer than the ******* Super Bowl.

How 'bout the Ducks last night too? 4th consecutive year they lost a postseason game 7 on homce ice.

NFL Network > ESPN by a billion miles RE NFL Draft coverage. It's all overblown, but the personalities on ESPN are intolerable anymore. I'd like to stick Chris Berman and Mel Kiper in a cage with a hundred rabid wolverines.

 

[kbuzz1]

NFL draft too, but man, I think that ESPN ruined my enjoyment of this. It's become such an overblown and over-analyzed spectacle and runs longer than the ******* Super Bowl.

Agreed. Unless they are airing actual sporting events, I try to stay away from that network. Tired of being told what I should be interested in all the time....