Pittsburgh

[dadavat]

Isn't trading for quantity the same type of situation as flipping for cash profits?

 

[OneDropSoup]

You had me until the end...because didn't your friend above just basically say he took the money he got from that bottle to buy a bunch more beer?

Isn't that the same as trading?

EDIT: dadavat thinks quicker than me! But yeah, in one situation you're trading beer for beer (& most traders look at the opportunity to "win" at a trade, read: receive a greater monetary value, right?), & in another you're trading beer for money, which can be used to buy more beer, or toward some other purpose (like my ******' windows). Seems there's really no practical difference.

 

[preluderl]

Isn't trading for quantity the same type of situation as flipping for cash profits?

Depends on the amount of quantity, I guess. If you trade a GNVP for a case of Heady, it's probably what.. 2 or 3x over $4$? (I don't know how much a case of Heady is...), but no one really bats an eye if someone buys GNVP for $20 and then sells it for $60. They get annoyed when they buy it for $20 and sell it for $175.

 

[preluderl]

Isn't that the same as trading?

EDIT: dadavat thinks quicker than me! But yeah, in one situation you're trading beer for beer (& most traders look at the opportunity to "win" at a trade, read: receive a greater monetary value, right?), & in another you're trading beer for money, which can be used to buy more beer, or toward some other purpose (like my ******' windows). Seems there's really no practical difference.

But that would be trading "for max value" which is generally frowned upon too, no?

 

[kbuzz1]

Isn't trading for quantity the same type of situation as flipping for cash profits?

Isn't that the same as trading?

EDIT: dadavat thinks quicker than me! But yeah, in one situation you're trading beer for beer (& most traders look at the opportunity to "win" at a trade, read: receive a greater monetary value, right?), & in another you're trading beer for money, which can be used to buy more beer, or toward some other purpose (like my ******' windows). Seems there's really no practical difference.

I think that's why #tradewinning is also frowned upon.

 

[chefduff2]

Also, if you don't have money for bills or groceries, you should probably not be in a beer release line. Don't buy if you don't have the cash.

 

[preluderl]

Also, if you don't have money for bills or groceries, you should probably not be in a beer release line. Don't buy if you don't have the cash.

Thought this as well. If you have time to stand around in beer release lines but you can't pay your bills then you might not be making the best use of your free time.

 

[barflybastard]

For me, trading is not the same as selling. Trading on some level is sharing--offering a product most likely not available to someone else, who has something mutually deemed to be of comparable value that is not available to me.

 

[OneDropSoup]

But that would be trading "for max value" which is generally frowned upon too, no?

I don't know, because my level of interest & attention span drop to zero as soon as people start talking about trading. It seems that flipping beer is condoned if it's just in support of your hobby, but flipping beer to support your livelihood is frowned upon. It's either beer, or records, or antiques, or whatever else will fetch a profit in the resale market.

Also, if you don't have money for bills or groceries, you should probably not be in a beer release line. Don't buy if you don't have the cash.

Pickers gonna pick, flippers gonna flip. It's just the business some folks are in. I have money for groceries, but I still go to work every day because that's what I do to ensure that I'll have money for bills & groceries next month.

Consider this as well (& I realize it may be a stretch) - he turned the $25 he spent at Voodoo (which is what they asked) into $175, which he said he also plans to spend on beer. For all we know, he may spend that $175 at Voodoo as well, or another local brewery.

 

[kbuzz1]

 

[preluderl]

With all due respect (and it's not hyperbolic to say I have a ton), I think you're kind of contorting yourself into a pretzel to defend the guy because you like him.

That's understandable though. It's easy to bash the nameless/faceless on the internet, but it gets tougher when it's someone you know and perceive to be a good guy.

 

[Dogleg1]

Side bar - anyone know if Pizza Boy still has Permasmile bottles?

 

[troygreer]

Anyone willing to provide any suggestions for things to do in Philly? Have a free day, just one, so can't go too crazy. Never been before, and will be relying on public transit.

http://www.momsdoylestown.com/#about

 

[OneDropSoup]

With all due respect (and it's not hyperbolic to say I have a ton), I think you're kind of contorting yourself into a pretzel to defend the guy because you like him.

That's understandable though. It's easy to bash the nameless/faceless on the internet, but it gets tougher when it's someone you know and perceive to be a good guy.

Maybe I am, but like I said, I was given a little perspective on what, on the surface, is a pretty ****** practice. I'm as much defending my own small shift in mentality as I am his actions. I still think it's basically a ****** thing to do.

 

[PSUMike]

Trading is beer for beer. Selling is beer for financial gain. There is a big difference imo. Flipping for profit is something I can't stomach.

 

[preluderl]

Maybe I am, but like I said, I was given a little perspective on what, on the surface, is a pretty ****** practice. I'm as much defending my own small shift in mentality as I am his actions. I still think it's basically a ****** thing to do.

Makes sense, and I know you're a good dude.

It's not like selling beer for a mark up online makes a man some mega ******* or something. Just a practice that some people find to be kinda grody. It's not the end of the world.

 

[troygreer]

Highly endorse Forest & Main. Loved it there when we went out to Philly.

Forest & Main was one of the only places that we didn't finish any of the beers in the flight that we ordered. Didn't like their beer at all but the place is pretty cool

 

[PSUMike]

Side bar - anyone know if Pizza Boy still has Permasmile bottles?

Sold out day of. 1500 bottles in a day.

 

[preluderl]

Forest & Main was one of the only places that we didn't finish any of the beers in the flight that we ordered. Didn't like their beer at all but the place is pretty cool

Interesting. I've only been the once, but I had Wegkomen and I thought it was outstanding. I can't remember what my wife got, but I liked it as well. Took a 64oz growler of Wegkomen back to the hotel and drank it all that night which is extremely rare for me.

I did buy bottles of Dochter Seizoen while I was there though and found those to be pretty underwhelming once I opened them.

 

[kbuzz1]

Makes sense, and I know you're a good dude.

It's not like selling beer for a mark up online makes a man some mega ******* or something. Just a practice that some people find to be kinda grody. It's not the end of the world.

I think this little exercise here today has actually helped me pinpoint exactly why it is that I have a hard time with all of this...and I think it's that reselling beer for an insane markup in my view is a disservice to the hobby/community. Like preluderl said, it ain't the end of the world. There are far more egregious offenses out there. But ultimately, if you are reselling beer, you aren't part of the community...you're using it.

 

[troygreer]

Interesting. I've only been the once, but I had Wegkomen and I thought it was outstanding. I can't remember what my wife got, but I liked it as well. Took a 64oz growler of Wegkomen back to the hotel and drank it all that night which is extremely rare for me.

I did buy bottles of Dochter Seizoen while I was there though and found those to be pretty underwhelming once I opened them.

We heard such great things about the place and found ourselves massively underwhelmed. Might be worth another try at some other time, maybe we just hit a bad week.

I am in Newtown every few months and what we have discovered is that the breweries over there are ok but none have really been worth going out of our way for. As for the bottleshops/bars etc. there are so many good ones that paying $30 to park downtown and go to Monk's is really not worth it. You can get almost as good taplists and sometimes better ones outside of downtown.

 

[Grodd87]

As much as I think sailing beer for gain is wrong the bigger problem is the ******** that pay that much for beer. If people wouldn't spend insane amounts of money on beer the temptation to sell would not be there. I can't think of to many things that have a secondary mark up as much as beer.

 

[preluderl]

We heard such great things about the place and found ourselves massively underwhelmed. Might be worth another try at some other time, maybe we just hit a bad week.

I am in Newtown every few months and what we have discovered is that the breweries over there are ok but none have really been worth going out of our way for. As for the bottleshops/bars etc. there are so many good ones that paying $30 to park downtown and go to Monk's is really not worth it. You can get almost as good taplists and sometimes better ones outside of downtown.

I have heard that F&M has had some issues with QC, so maybe you experienced that rearing it's ugly head. The bottles were pretty underwhelming for sure but the drafts were really good as was the food.

We hit them and Tired Hands in one day. I actually preferred the beer at F&M (but like I said, maybe a good batch) and the stuff at TH was certainly no slouch at all. Good food at both, but the tacos at the Fermentaria, while delicious, are really expensive.

 

[MooseLang]

I need to give Forest and Main another try. I received two of their bottles as extras once, and I was thoroughly underwhelmed. Lots of people seem to love them though.

 

[chefduff2]

I think this little exercise here today has actually helped me pinpoint exactly why it is that I have a hard time with all of this...and I think it's that reselling beer for an insane markup in my view is a disservice to the hobby/community. Like preluderl said, it ain't the end of the world. There are far more egregious offenses out there. But ultimately, if you are reselling beer, you aren't part of the community...you're using it.

I know I started this, but I think the discussion gets way more honest when there's a name attached rather then the "bad man". Also, if I can reduce a line by one "flipper" for myself or for my friends I'll do it. On a different subject, wasn't Roundabout going to expand or something? What ever happened to that?

 

[OneDropSoup]

I think this little exercise here today has actually helped me pinpoint exactly why it is that I have a hard time with all of this...and I think it's that reselling beer for an insane markup in my view is a disservice to the hobby/community. Like preluderl said, it ain't the end of the world. There are far more egregious offenses out there. But ultimately, if you are reselling beer, you aren't part of the community...you're using it.

Thus my conflict - the friend in question is as much "part of the community" as anyone I know. He's been a beer geek way longer than he's been a picker. He's on the lookout for things he can make a profit on & beer is one of them, because rich emeffers are willing to drop that kind of money. The problem with this is that it runs against the "code" in craft beer, a code that I think is part of what makes this hobby/industry (depending on who you are) so great. But like Grodd87 said, the blame for this lies at least as much with the demand-siders, if you ask me.

 

[troygreer]

As much as I think sailing beer for gain is wrong the bigger problem is the ******** that pay that much for beer. If people wouldn't spend insane amounts of money on beer the temptation to sell would not be there. I can't think of to many things that have a secondary mark up as much as beer.

???

 

[OneDropSoup]

Not many libertarians in this bunch, eh?

 

[troygreer]

I have heard that F&M has had some issues with QC, so maybe you experienced that rearing it's ugly head. The bottles were pretty underwhelming for sure but the drafts were really good as was the food.

We hit them and Tired Hands in one day. I actually preferred the beer at F&M (but like I said, maybe a good batch) and the stuff at TH was certainly no slouch at all. Good food at both, but the tacos at the Fermentaria, while delicious, are really expensive.

Lots of great food and great beer to be had all around that city.

I know I am in the minority here but I wasn't impressed with TH beer either. The place was cool as all hell and I will stop by again for sure. For instance, my notes on Nacho Panter - "tastes like cola"

 

[preluderl]

I can't recall what all I had at TH. I know I had Oat Potion and Mago Tago, and I tried whatever my wife had. really enjoyed Oat Potion.