Obnoxious Football Trash Talk Thread

[Cape Brewing]

Sir.... I've seen Trent Dilfer. I know who Trent Dilfer is.

Alex Smith is no Trent Dilfer.


(see that? See how I worked in a little political humor given its election season? It's called 'versatility')

 

[Cape Brewing]

I would take Moss back in a second. He was a model teammate for the Pats. The fact that Belichick, the guy who doesn't say a word about anyone, actually held a short press conference to talk about how great Moss had been for the team, I think, speaks volumes.

I think it was a situation where he wasn't fitting into the offense as much and wanted a long term deal, which he wasn't going to get in NE, so the Pats traded him with no hard feelings.

 

[stratslinger]

Really? You think that, after the way he left? As I recall, we pretty unceremoniously dumped him because he was picking arguments with coaches since he wasn't getting "enough targets" anymore. Not exactly model teammate behavior when the situation wasn't ideal for him.

 

[bluemoose]

To be fair, I think Randy had hard feelings. He got comfortable in NE. He forgot what led up to his trade coming here and thought he was indispensible. If he had it to do over he probably would have shut his mouth, worked harder and retired a Patriot. I just don't think that is in his makeup.
He did a great job for the Pats, and you're right Cape, no one had anything bad to say about him. I hope he does well in SF, but it'll be hard for him to keep his mouth shut with Alex Smith handing off all day. Talk about taking plays off!

 

[Cape Brewing]

Really? You think that, after the way he left? As I recall, we pretty unceremoniously dumped him because he was picking arguments with coaches since he wasn't getting "enough targets" anymore. Not exactly model teammate behavior when the situation wasn't ideal for him.

Yeah.... I don't remember it going down remotely like that. What coach did he have an argument with?? And how was he "pretty unceremoniously dumped"? His production tailed off, he was going to leave after the season anyway since he was a free agent and the Pats weren't going to give him a long term deal so they traded him. And then after the trade, Belichick held a press conference to talk about what a model teammate Moss was and how the team wished him the best. This is BELICHICK we're talking about.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-.../4684777/belichicks-opening-statement-on-moss

 

[Cape Brewing]

Doesn't sound like Moss had a lot of hard feelings...

http://www.nesn.com/.m/2010/10/rand...-newest-viking-set-to-meet-media-at-2-pm.html

 

[Cape Brewing]

If you insert any other team Moss played for then I agree with you guys 100% but he was a model teammate according to every comment I've ever seen, set the single season TD reception record while he was here and left the team once his time had come on, what everyone said, was incredibly good terms... So... I'm not sure what anyone has an issue with.

 

[the_bird]

I thought there was a squabble with Billie O'Brien, but maybe not. If there were any issues, it wasn't until the end.

In any case, they always knew that Moss had an expiration date, and they got rid of him just before he turned rancid. You kind of got the sense near the end that things were about to turn downhill, fast.

I can't hate on Randy Moss though. But, that has the potential to get real ugly, real fast, if the quarterbacking in San Fran remains as bad as it has been.

 

[motobrewer]

shut up about randy moss.

if we all stop saying his name, maybe he'll disappear.

 

[the_bird]

I tried that with you once, and you're still ****ing here.

 

[Cape Brewing]

I thought there was a squabble with Billie O'Brien, but maybe not. .

the only squabble with Billie O'Brien I remember was the one between O'Brien and Brady. And I'm not sure anyone is going to start calling Brady a cancer in the locker room.

Moss ended up with a VERY well-deserved reputation as being a team cancer but I don't remember seeing any of that while he was here... at all.

... and if he hasn't lost a step (I'm skeptical) and if Belichick thought he would fit into the offense in some way, I would be psyched to have Moss back. Take him in a second.

 

[stratslinger]

The_Bird had it in one - not to keep harping on old news, but here it is. Get in a shouting match with Bill O'brien, get shipped off to the Vikes for a third rounder 2 days later... So, maybe a third rounder wasn't exactly unceremonious, but it all happened pretty quickly, as described in that Mike Reiss article.

 

[the_bird]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ch-bill-obrien-in-mondays-game/1#.UBKSjLR5GPY

Randy Moss had an altercation with New England Patriots QB coach Bill O'Brien at halftime of the team's Monday night win in Miami, ESPN reported.

Moss, who was held without a catch for the first time in his Patriots tenure in the 41-14 win, traded barbs with O'Brien, ESPN reported based on conversations with unnamed players.

The Patriots traded Moss to the Minnesota Vikings on Wednesday for a third-round pick.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Yeah... still not buying any of that... like I said, Brady got into a worse argument with O'Brien on the sidelines in full view of cameras (google it) and the two had to be separated.

Moss got into an arguement with him in the locker room and it was one incident. So Brady and O'Brien have to be separated on the sidelines and that's fine but Moss and O'Brien get into it in the locker room and he's "unceremoniously dumped"?? I'm not buying that at all and again, that's not how I remember that all going down remotely.

Again... Belichick comes out directly and says:

"We wish Randy the absolute best. He’s been a player I’ve had a good relationship with. He’s very honest, when I’ve asked him questions about football and personnel and things like that. He’s been very helpful to me personally. He’s been very professional and I think a good teammate and a good contributing member of this team."

"I would say this – there was never any incident or discipline problem with Randy, there never has been one with me in four years."


Why would Belichick say any of this?? Why would he go out of his way, AFTER the trade is done, to say that it was not a discipline issue? This is Belichick, who doesn't say a word about anything... ever... and could have very easily stood there for 15 minutes simply repeating over and over again, "It was in the best interest of the team" without a single word about Moss specifically.

I think you guys are fishing for something that wasn't there.... but he has a huge reputation for.

His production was falling way off... they weren't signing him to a long term deal so he was leaving in a handful of games anyway... and BEFORE HE GOT ALL CANCEROUS... they traded him and tried to get at least something for him instead of getting nothing for him in free agency.

 

[motobrewer]

lol, patriots incest fighting is hilarious

bird, you gotta realize cape will swallow in front of billy every time.

but...but...Billy saaaiiiiid!!!!

uh, remember the fact that billy's a dirtbag liar?

 

[Cape Brewing]

LOL... yeah a dirtbag liar who's currently in the top 2-3 NFL coaches of all time with a couple more promising years ahead of him. I'll take him any day.

 

[user 574]

I'm sure it's been said somewhere in this thread before, but as a life long niners fan it was awesome to see them playing well again. Alex smith is not an elite quarterback, at all, but I give him credit considering everything he went through in his career, and to come within a punt return away from the super bowl, was sick. If Trent dilfer can win a ring, so can Alex smith. Can't wait for this season!

I can say, I'm not excited at all about moss, but maybe someone knows something I dont

Just imagine if you would have picked the right QB in the draft. As a life longer Packer fan I thank you

 

[the_bird]

I don't necessarily think it was the fight, per se, but I think they looked at the argument as evidence that Randy was starting to act up and that wasn't going to stop or get better. And, BB praised the **** out of Moss on the way out because he never really says anything BAD about people; he'll just not comment. I always got the sense that - just like with OchoCinco - BB genuinely LIKED Randy Moss, but that doesn't mean automatically that he thought having Moss on the team (beginning to act out, beginning to act selfishly) was for the best.

 

[Cape Brewing]

I dunno... I just think he had run his course with the Pats... by-in-large was a tremendous receiver for them... was never anywhere near as bad as his reputation would lead you to expect and his time in NE was winding down anyway. If he started to get grumpy and that pushed him out a hair quicker... I dunno, maybe there was some of that, but 1) I still think it was a VERY small % of what was going on and 2) like i was saying... If Belichick thought Moss had the physical skills still, and fit into what the offense was trying to do, he would bring him back in a second... and I would welcome him.

I don't believe at all that he got traded because he was a problem in the locker room or for the team at all. Did it have the potential to get to that point?? Sure. Better than 50/50 but I don't think that was the driver in that situation at all.

 

[user 574]

Jeezus, it's like you guys are crossing swords here.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Nah... not really... It's just taking a bit longer than usual for folks to admit I'm right.

 

[stratslinger]

So, how about surprise #1 of Pats camp, and releasing Addai day 1? Thought they'd keep him at least through camp to push the young guys, but apparently he didn't pass his physical? Ouch.

 

[Cape Brewing]

I'm, shockingly, taking it as a good sign... they must have at least some level of confidence in the young guys. That can't be a bad thing.

 

[the_bird]

So, how about surprise #1 of Pats camp, and releasing Addai day 1? Thought they'd keep him at least through camp to push the young guys, but apparently he didn't pass his physical? Ouch.

What they were saying last night was... he quit halfway through the conditioning test. Weird. Still wondering if he was hurt.

I do think the kids will be fine, and keep your eye on Brandon Bolden. 5'11, 220#, undrafted from Old Miss. Scouting report:

Bolden is a powerful runner who will usually run through the first defender. He is decisive to hit the hole as an inside runner and is patient for his blocks to develop. He can get low and hide behind blockers before sticking his foot in the ground to either move hard laterally or up the field to burst through to the second level. He looks good when initiating a hard drop step to bounce outside, and once there can outrun defenders to the perimeter. Bolden is reliable both in taking care of the ball and gaining yards with power or speed.

He's BenJarvus 2.0.

 

[bluemoose]

... and if he hasn't lost a step (I'm skeptical) and if Belichick thought he would fit into the offense in some way, I would be psyched to have Moss back. Take him in a second.

The reason I would guess you haven't heard Randy say anything too bad about the Pats. It seems that would be his dream too.

 

[bluemoose]

I don't believe at all that he got traded because he was a problem in the locker room or for the team at all. Did it have the potential to get to that point?? Sure. Better than 50/50 but I don't think that was the driver in that situation at all.

Bill knew it was over. I'm not saying he was a problem in the locker room. I liked the guy and if we could get the production, I would welcome him back. If you remember, he did the Randy Moss contract press conference. I think that was the beginning of the end.

 

[McBrewskie]

Sir.... I've seen Trent Dilfer. I know who Trent Dilfer is.

Alex Smith is no Trent Dilfer.


(see that? See how I worked in a little political humor given its election season? It's called 'versatility')

Alex sucks, but Alex>>>>>>>>>>>>Dilfer. Not even close, Dilfer is a cool guy but was a ****terrible QB.

 

[McBrewskie]

If you insert any other team Moss played for then I agree with you guys 100% but he was a model teammate according to every comment I've ever seen, set the single season TD reception record while he was here and left the team once his time had come on, what everyone said, was incredibly good terms... So... I'm not sure what anyone has an issue with.

Jerry Rice 22 TDs in 12 games>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Randy Moss 23 TDs.

 

[McBrewskie]

Just imagine if you would have picked the right QB in the draft. As a life longer Packer fan I thank you

****, still pissed. He played in our backyard at Cal. Then taking Kentwan Balmer and Chilo Rachal over Cal grad Desean Jackson. Stupid mother ****ing Mike Nowin and Singlemonkey. Not to mention Scot McClueless, should have sent him a case of my brew when he had to go into recovery.

 

[bluemoose]

****, still pissed. He played in our backyard at Cal. Then taking Kentwan Balmer and Chilo Rachal over Cal grad Desean Jackson. Stupid mother ****ing Mike Nowin and Singlemonkey. Not to mention Scot McClueless, should have sent him a case of my brew when he had to go into recovery.

If you started liking a good team like the Pats you might not be so angry.