New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[secretlevel]

Usually when I was messing around with PH I had to add a little larctic acid to bring it down. So cant imagine ph would be low. Using big water jugs purchased from walmart (5 gallon) so dont think it would have a low ph by default.

I thought equipment cleaning issue, but that sour taste was only prevalent in this last batch. Prior ones just weren’t good for other reasons. Always seems to have a different weird off flavor.

Have you measured the finished beer pH? Decarbed and room temp.

Edit: Finished beer pH, not beef

 

[midegrou]

Came out beautiful, aromatic, and delicious. Easily the best beer I've ever brewed. Really appreciate the tips in this thread!

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Came out beautiful, aromatic, and delicious. Easily the best beer I've ever brewed. Really appreciate the tips in this thread!

looks great - whats the hops used? give us the deets!

 

[Oldskewl]

I am really getting frustrated with my efforts lately. I have not made a good NEIPA in ages. THe last one has a really weird funky sour taste to it, almost like its bad somehow. I have complete temp control and fplowing same process and using same ingredients as most here. Able to do closed transfers, have unitank so also able to keep CO2 pressure on it in the fermenter. Just really don’t understand why non of the beers have been remotely good lately. As a result have not been brewing much lately

I have been fighting a similar issue on my NEIPAs using the recipe in this thread or a variation. My first 2-3 batches turned out awesome. Last few have had astringency After much research, I am planning on limiting whirlpool hops to 2-3 oz and moving the rest to the ist and 2nd dry hops. It is also worth checking a degassed room temp sample for gravity and PH. A few months ago I was fighting the STA-1 gene in my system I assume from brewing a few Saisons. My beers were continuing to ferment after bottling and kegging and holding at targeted FG for days to weeks. It took a soak in a mild bleach/water solution to get rid of it.

 

[elproducto]

Folks, this is one of the best threads about hops in the internet right now.. bar none. I got convinced by a fellow homebrew club member to grab some Eukanot hops (1 pound), but now that I'm reading I'm really worried about the horror stories about green pepper. Any thoughts? Things to do to prevent? Heard it might do better in the whirlpool as opposed to the dry hop.

 

[Dgallo]

YVH has 2020 Austrian varieties. Get on quick!

 

[anteater8]

Folks, this is one of the best threads about hops in the internet right now.. bar none. I got convinced by a fellow homebrew club member to grab some Eukanot hops (1 pound), but now that I'm reading I'm really worried about the horror stories about green pepper. Any thoughts? Things to do to prevent? Heard it might do better in the whirlpool as opposed to the dry hop.

I've heard the same thing about Ekuanot in the whirlpool, but I can't remember where. In my experience its a decent hop. I did an all Ekuanot IPA once,that I was not a huge fan of... but I did a Mosaic/Ekuanot IPA that turned out great. To me it tasted like a Mosaic IPA with a punch of lime, so I would pair it with other hops that you think would go well with lime (Citra seems like a good match).

 

[aaronm13]

View attachment 690409Time to get busy. I got my lupomax today. I’m pretty excited to see how this works out. I have beer fermenting right now that is almost done. 2 oz I-7 at 10 and then 6 oz I-7 for 30 minutes in a 165 whirlpool. I’m curious to see how much flavor and aroma come through based on the new data suggesting I-7 is the king of survivables in terms of hot side hops. I’m going to dry hop with 2.5 Citra, 2.5 mosaic, and 2.5 Sabro which equates to a little over 10 oz of standards pellets.

Keep us posted on how they perform. Am putting together a Yakima order at the moment and am tempted to sub out regular T-90 hops for these.

 

[Rob2010SS]

New NEIPA that we just brewed. 45% Citra, 35% El Dorado, and 20% Galaxy. Roughly 6.6% ABV and we went with 2oz/gal dry hop. Definitely picked up some IBU's from that. Still tasty and very pleasant to drink. Not a harsh bitterness at all but I can see where a beer at 6.6% would benefit from a bit less aggressive of a dry hop.

The aroma is fantastic - tropical fruit, lots of passionfruit, maybe some pineapple. While it's a good hop combo, I'd like to tweak the combo to bring out more of the "sweeter" fruit aromas, if that makes sense. Definitely need to experiment more. But, it's damn good! Thanks to everyone here that helped. @Dgallo through some DM's was a huge help.

I will say though, I have to buy a filter or something for the dry hops. That was a nightmare. I had so many clogging issues because of all of the hop matter, it took me 5 hours to transfer to 3 kegs, and I still didnt' even finish. I gave up and ordered a little bouncer filter with the fine mesh to finish it out this week. I crashed for 48 hours at 34*F and it didn't drop enough of the hops out before transferring.

 

[anteater8]

New NEIPA that we just brewed. 45% Citra, 35% El Dorado, and 20% Galaxy. Roughly 6.6% ABV and we went with 2oz/gal dry hop. Definitely picked up some IBU's from that. Still tasty and very pleasant to drink. Not a harsh bitterness at all but I can see where a beer at 6.6% would benefit from a bit less aggressive of a dry hop.

The aroma is fantastic - tropical fruit, lots of passionfruit, maybe some pineapple. While it's a good hop combo, I'd like to tweak the combo to bring out more of the "sweeter" fruit aromas, if that makes sense. Definitely need to experiment more. But, it's damn good! Thanks to everyone here that helped. @Dgallo through some DM's was a huge help.

I will say though, I have to buy a filter or something for the dry hops. That was a nightmare. I had so many clogging issues because of all of the hop matter, it took me 5 hours to transfer to 3 kegs, and I still didnt' even finish. I gave up and ordered a little bouncer filter with the fine mesh to finish it out this week. I crashed for 48 hours at 34*F and it didn't drop enough of the hops out before transferring.

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Using that filter combined with a good cold crash with a co2 filled balloon has made kegging so much easier.

 

[midegrou]

looks great - whats the hops used? give us the deets!

Thanks!

Citra and Mosaic T-90. It was basically the original base recipe in this thread but scaled down to a 2.2 gallon batch size.

I did a small Columbus bittering hop then 1oz each of Citra and Mosaic in a 20-minute WP once it reached 180F.

Hit stable FG after about 9 days with LAIII at 66F, crashed to 50F over 12 hours and then left it there another 24. Then close transferred to the DH keg with 3oz of each hop (6oz total) and let it sit at 55F for 48 hours before kegging.

Excited to see how it holds up now!

I lost quite a bit of beer from the DH (ended up with 1.6 gallons instead of 2. Would a hard crash post DH help with that? Or do I just accept the absorption rate as a built-in cost?

 

[braindead]

What's the most grams per litre anyones gone with a Neipa so far.
Just curious in regards to diminishing returns.
My last was 15g a litre but was tempted to up it to 22.

 

[HopsAreGood]

What's the most grams per litre anyones gone with a Neipa so far.
Just curious in regards to diminishing returns.
My last was 15g a litre but was tempted to up it to 22.

Dry hop only or total hop amount? I’ve done a 16 oz. dry hop and gone as high as 22 oz total. (5 gallon batch)

 

[braindead]

Dry Hop only

 

[HopsAreGood]

Dry Hop only

15g/l is about a 10oz dry hop and 22 would be about 15. I’d say go for it and see how you like it. Only you’ll be able to determine wether or not the returns are diminishing. I’ll say I quite enjoyed the beer I made with the 16 oz dry hop. Was 8oz Citra and 8oz strata, and the aroma stuck around the entire duration of the keg.

 

[Dgallo]

What's the most grams per litre anyones gone with a Neipa so far.
Just curious in regards to diminishing returns.
My last was 15g a litre but was tempted to up it to 22.

15g/l is already on the high side being roughly 2 oz per gallon. 22g/l is roughly 3oz Per gallon, which is doesn’t bring anymore to the table, in my experience

 

[braindead]

15g/l is already on the high side being roughly 2 oz per gallon. 22g/l is roughly 3oz Per gallon, which is doesn’t bring anymore to the table, in my experience

Thats what I was afraid of, didn't want to waste money on the extra hops and it not bring much else to the table.
But I wanted the extra in your face Aroma.
I sometimes put it down to the quality of the hops we get in the UK TBH not being punchy and fresh enough.

 

[braindead]

15g/l is about a 10oz dry hop and 22 would be about 15. I’d say go for it and see how you like it. Only you’ll be able to determine wether or not the returns are diminishing. I’ll say I quite enjoyed the beer I made with the 16 oz dry hop. Was 8oz Citra and 8oz strata, and the aroma stuck around the entire duration of the keg.

Dying to get my hands on Strata, absolutely love it.
But none available in the UK at all.

 

[braindead]

Good Live stream on now between Verdant and Cloudwater..
Adam just said its not about volume of hops its how you use them.

 

[anteater8]

I'll be using Strata for the first time in a NEIPA this weekend. My plan is to highlight Strata, but pair it with some hops that I know better for good measure. My first thought is Citra, Mosaic, Strata... but I'm curious if anyone has had more experience with Strata and has recommendations.

14 lb 2 row
3 lb flaked oats
0.75 lb wheat
0.25 lb honey malt

0.5 oz Warrior (19 IBU)
2 oz Mosaic whirlpool
2 oz Strata whirlpool
2 oz Citra dry hop
2 oz Mosaic dry hop
4 oz Strata dry hop

 

[Fergal]

I'll be using Strata for the first time in a NEIPA this weekend. My plan is to highlight Strata, but pair it with some hops that I know better for good measure. My first thought is Citra, Mosaic, Strata... but I'm curious if anyone has had more experience with Strata and has recommendations.

14 lb 2 row
3 lb flaked oats
0.75 lb wheat
0.25 lb honey malt

0.5 oz Warrior (19 IBU)
2 oz Mosaic whirlpool
2 oz Strata whirlpool
2 oz Citra dry hop
2 oz Mosaic dry hop
4 oz Strata dry hop

Haven't brewed with it yet but have tried two delicious beers that have been brewed with it. One with Nelson, the other with Idaho 7.

 

[stickyfinger]

Recently tapped my first ever hazy with K-97. Not a great beer. For the first couple days drinking it I couldn't place my finger on why. Is it astringency? Not really. Too much bitterness coming through from the K-97? Then it finally hit me. It's peppers. I used Ekuanot cryo in the dry hop. I know peppers are in the flavor description but it's supposedly also pretty fruity, and I heard a pro on a podcast raving about how the cryo was really fruity and awesome. This thing is a green pepper bomb. I'm withholding judgement on K-97 for the time being.

I’ve used Ekuanot a ton but never in ipa. It is a perfect Pils or IPL hop. I wouldnt call it fruity

 

[stickyfinger]

Folks, this is one of the best threads about hops in the internet right now.. bar none. I got convinced by a fellow homebrew club member to grab some Eukanot hops (1 pound), but now that I'm reading I'm really worried about the horror stories about green pepper. Any thoughts? Things to do to prevent? Heard it might do better in the whirlpool as opposed to the dry hop.

I love it in hopstand. Never tried it in dryhop. It is very potent and comes through at 0.5-1 oz/gal in hopstand. I really do prefer it in Pils or IPL over IPA though

 

[stickyfinger]

What's the most grams per litre anyones gone with a Neipa so far.
Just curious in regards to diminishing returns.
My last was 15g a litre but was tempted to up it to 22.

I’ve been using 2 oz/gal lately in all of my neipa regardless of variety and it is great. I did 3 oz/gal centennial once and the beer was weird, woody. Its risky going over 2 oz/gal perhaps?

 

[couchsending]

I’ve used Ekuanot a ton but never in ipa. It is a perfect Pils or IPL hop. I wouldnt call it fruity

you’re now the 3rd person I’ve heard say good things about Ekuanot in a lager...

I find this interesting as Ekuanot always has this really strong green pepper/herbal/vegetal character that I don’t like.

Does it not present like that in lagers? Does lager yeast transform that compound I wonder?

 

[stickyfinger]

I wonder if the taste of this hop is very subjective somehow? It does have kind of a green pepper character to me, but i find it to be very pleasant in Pils with that lagery flavor. I liked it so much in my Pils that it just kept growing in intensity until I had to call it an IPL! ha ha

you’re now the 3rd person I’ve heard say good things about Ekuanot in a lager...

I find this interesting as Ekuanot always has this really strong green pepper/herbal/vegetal character that I don’t like.

Does it not present like that in lagers? Does lager yeast transform that compound I wonder?

 

[Fergal]

Good Live stream on now between Verdant and Cloudwater..
Adam just said its not about volume of hops its how you use them.

Watching this now. Really interesting to hear the honest answers around whether they are using kveik. In essence they have infighting where they are either a brewery that is on the cutting edge with yeast and hops etc. or one which chases the tap contracts and does not have any variation in their core range IPA. Only had Cloudwater when I've gone home (N.Ireland) but would be very keen to try Verdant. Had Otherhalf, Grimm and a few other Brooklyn beers plus the best of Portland. If anyone would like to ship beers to Melbourne hit me up!

 

[skleice]

I wonder if the taste of this hop is very subjective somehow? It does have kind of a green pepper character to me, but i find it to be very pleasant in Pils with that lagery flavor. I liked it so much in my Pils that it just kept growing in intensity until I had to call it an IPL! ha ha

I like it quite a bit. I tend to get a lot of melon character with some citrus. The green pepper is there, but I don't pick 8t up so much.

 

[Taket_al_Tauro]

How are you guys dealing with kettle trub for NEIPAs?

Last weekend I brewed my first attempt at a “real” NEIPA. This was also my 2nd brew on my new system using a 20 gal SS brewtech kettle (including the SS brewtech trub dam). After chilling I whirlpooled like crazy, let it settle for 25 min, but still had quite a lot of trub making its way into the fermenters… I guess this was due primarily to the high amount of hops used (approx. 1 oz/gal total hot-side hops). The first brew on this kettle was a more moderately hopped beer and I did not have such problems. Should I be concerned about this or should I not worry? I know there are different schools of thought regarding kettle trub. In my older system I believe I had always been quite successful at keeping most of the trub out of the fermenter, also for IPAs…That is why this is bothering me now a bit… a new system should be an improvement, not a regression . Thanks!

...by the way amazing thread, I learned a ton from you guys!!

 

[Dgallo]

How are you guys dealing with kettle trub for NEIPAs?

Last weekend I brewed my first attempt at a “real” NEIPA. This was also my 2nd brew on my new system using a 20 gal SS brewtech kettle (including the SS brewtech trub dam). After chilling I whirlpooled like crazy, let it settle for 25 min, but still had quite a lot of trub making its way into the fermenters… I guess this was due primarily to the high amount of hops used (approx. 1 oz/gal total hot-side hops). The first brew on this kettle was a more moderately hopped beer and I did not have such problems. Should I be concerned about this or should I not worry? I know there are different schools of thought regarding kettle trub. In my older system I believe I had always been quite successful at keeping most of the trub out of the fermenter, also for IPAs…That is why this is bothering me now a bit… a new system should be an improvement, not a regression . Thanks!

...by the way amazing thread, I learned a ton from you guys!!

What’s causing it to get into your fermenter, is your port below your trub line?