New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Dgallo]

Hi guys, long time reader but first time poster here! Been following the thread for a time now and wanted to say thanks for all of the great tips!

I've noticed that alot of you guys seem to be using spelt and I've been meaning to give it a try. Do you think this recipe would work? Omitting the oats all together? Or should I go for a 10% addition of oat malt as well?

80% pilsner
20% spelt

Whirlpool 7,5g/l of CTZ
Dry hop 15g/l of Citra and Citra cryo

Yeah Either 80/20 or 70/20/10 would work fine. Just avoid dryhoping during fermentation with spelt or oats. The high protein % will increase hopburn risks

 

[DrGMG]

Yeah Either 80/20 or 70/20/10 would work fine. Just avoid dryhoping during fermentation with spelt or oats. The high protein % will increase hopburn risks

Where did you read this?

 

[Dgallo]

Where did you read this?

I’ll find you one of the articles shortly but it’s pretty readily available if you search it.

Hopburn is the combination of polyphenols and proteins which get bound together by the yeast. So increased hoping rates during fermentation in combination with high protein grainbills will increased hopburn. Thats also why hopcreep results in increased hopburn.

It’s the main reason breweries are dryhoping after fermentation, post crashing yeast, and at lower temps.

 

[ihavenonickname]

I agree with Dgallo, I’ve heard many respected brewers talk about it - and it fits my experience too - the protein in oats especially grabs onto polyphenol more so than just wheat. Too much and it’s hop burn, but just the right amount and it makes for a really nice effect that my favorite versions of this style have. So I prefer these beers with lots of oats. (And spelt fits this category too more so than white wheat). But I’d be happy to read some articles on the topic if you want to do the publication search

 

[Dgallo]

I agree with Dgallo, I’ve heard many respected brewers talk about it - and it fits my experience too - the protein in oats especially grabs onto polyphenol more so than just wheat. Too much and it’s hop burn, but just the right amount and it makes for a really nice effect that my favorite versions of this style have. So I prefer these beers with lots of oats. (And spelt fits this category too more so than white wheat). But I’d be happy to read some articles on the topic if you want to do the publication search

There’s definitely a balance but the may cause of hopburn is dryhopping heavily during fermentation or at warmer temps when yeast is still active. If you use a high protein grainbill and dryhop heavily during active fermentation or at temps that yeast can be active the hopburn will be exacerbated due to the higher protein amount.

Now you can use a high protein grainbill, which I personally do (20-30%) but dryhop after softcrashing and in the low-mid 50*f and have very little hopburn, if any at all

 

[DrGMG]

I thought hop creep happened more when fermenting at cooler temps. Will def look for more info. I never go that high on protein anyways, usually 10%.

 

[Dgallo]

I thought hop creep happened more when fermenting at cooler temps.

Hop creep happens anytime hops are added at a temperature where yeast are active and present as the enzymes in the hops make sugars available to the yeast. When dryhoping during fermentation, the hopcreep just becomes part of primary fermentation so it kinda goes unnoticed and people think they just got better attenuation than they expected.

Hop creep can become a bigger issue with diacetyl production if proper process and cold storage isn’t in place if you dryhop post fermentation

 

[Dwaynehaze]

2023 yvh galaxy smelled super good worh a rub test. Keeping my fingers crossed, gonna use it next brew I do

 

[InspectorJon]

Yakima Valley Hops 2023 Galaxy on sale now $15/lb plus shipping.

 

[Dwaynehaze]

Yakima Valley Hops 2023 Galaxy on sale now $15/lb plus shipping.

Perfect timing right aftwr I ordered lol

 

[Dgallo]

Yakima Valley Hops 2023 Galaxy on sale now $15/lb plus shipping.

Wonder why the new harvest is so inexpensive. Maybe it isn’t moving too fast as people are nervous about the quality. Or maybe it is the quality

 

[LumberZach]

Yakima Valley Hops 2023 Galaxy on sale now $15/lb plus shipping.

The pull was too strong and I broke down and ordered a pound.

 

[Dwaynehaze]

Wonder why the new harvest is so inexpensive. Maybe it isn’t moving too fast as people are nervous about the quality. Or maybe it is the quality

Yeah whenever something goes on sale this fast I get nervous.

 

[hopfenstopfen]

Yeah whenever something goes on sale this fast I get nervous.

Totally plausible but could also be an attempt to get our business back after several years of high-variance lots They got me to bite! Being lucky to fairly regularly get beers from The Veil featuring galaxy, I would really like to brew with it.

For what its worth, I’ve had decent luck using galaxy with no wheat/oats and verdant. Good luck & be sure to report what you get.

 

[LumberZach]

I plan on dusting off a recipe I used to brew regularly from 2016-2017 that used pretty much all Galaxy. It always turned out fantastically tropical. If I can get it to taste 75% as good, I'll be happy. I'll report back when I've brewed it.

 

[Dwaynehaze]

Totally plausible but could also be an attempt to get our business back after several years of high-variance lots They got me to bite! Being lucky to fairly regularly get beers from The Veil featuring galaxy, I would really like to brew with it.

For what its worth, I’ve had decent luck using galaxy with no wheat/oats and verdant. Good luck & be sure to report what you get.

From what I can remember treat by treehouse is a heavily galaxy dry hopped beer and the 4 pack of jumbo treat I just had was absolutely fantastic

 

[aaronm13]

Wonder why the new harvest is so inexpensive. Maybe it isn’t moving too fast as people are nervous about the quality. Or maybe it is the quality

Ha, I thought the exact same thing when a friend sent me the link. Think people have been burned too often by galaxy. Personally I'm done with it.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

Ha, I thought the exact same thing when a friend sent me the link. Think people have been burned too often by galaxy. Personally I'm done with it.

I have never brewed with Galaxy. For several years it was hard to come by and selling for $40+ per lb. It seems like every commercial beer I have had over the past few years with Galaxy is harsh. I generally avoid ordering beers that feature Galaxy. It is because I don't like Galaxy, or because everybody has been brewing the bad Galaxy recently? $15 per lb is hard to beat, but I am sure I could find a dozen hops at YVH for $20 per lb or less that I know I will enjoy.

BTW, I am pretty sure YVH knows that if you order a 1 lb of their First Friday sale hop, you will likely order more hops as well. Shipping is the same for 4 lbs as it is for 1 lb. It is generally not that great of a deal if you only order 1 bag after shipping costs. It would be $27 for me. I don't brew enough to purchase multiple bags of a hop like Galaxy.

 

[secretlevel]

I have never brewed with Galaxy. For several years it was hard to come by and selling for $40+ per lb. It seems like every commercial beer I have had over the past few years with Galaxy is harsh. I generally avoid ordering beers that feature Galaxy. It is because I don't like Galaxy, or because everybody has been brewing the bad Galaxy recently? $15 per lb is hard to beat, but I am sure I could find a dozen hops at YVH for $20 per lb or less that I know I will enjoy.

BTW, I am pretty sure YVH knows that if you order a 1 lb of their First Friday sale hop, you will likely order more hops as well. Shipping is the same for 4 lbs as it is for 1 lb. It is generally not that great of a deal if you only order 1 bag after shipping costs. It would be $27 for me. I don't brew enough to purchase multiple bags of a hop like Galaxy.

I have to agree. While I haven't gotten too much hop burn in Galaxy on commercial brews, maybe about 30%, last 2 years have been really bad and it's been almost every other Galaxy beer that had hop burn. Same with Vic Secret, with a couple of exceptions.

 

[hopfenstopfen]

I completely understand those of you that have been burned by galaxy one too many times to try again, but I have issues! I f-ing love this hop. Though I kinda love them all.

This beer from The Veil is an all galaxy beer that is “triple dry hoppped” and it’s stupid good. I recognize they may well get to pick, though not sure anyone can with Aussie hops? But a lot of my HB interest/enthusiasm is in the fun of trying emulating pro brews I really love. I have no intention of ever going pro.

 

[GroverTime]

Just want to jump in and say I just brewed this recipe about 5 weeks ago and bottled it last weekend. After 7 days in the bottle chilled and cracked one and I cannot believe how good this is already!

This is only my 2nd NEIPA ever and my very first attempt to brew a recipe other than one from the binder at the local homebrew store with the step by step instructions. I am very grateful for this recipe and all the conversation on here. I have read almost this entire thread and picked up so much along the way. Thanks to everyone, especially to Braufessor.

 

[VirginiaHops1]

Took a long break from hazies after hitting them really hard in 2020-2021 and brewed alot of WCIPAs since then. I did a hazy again in my last batch with Lallemand Voss fermented in the high 80s and wow it's sucking me back in. One of the best I've done

 

[CascadesBrewer]

I have never brewed with Galaxy. For several years it was hard to come by and selling for $40+ per lb. It seems like every commercial beer I have had over the past few years with Galaxy is harsh. I generally avoid ordering beers that feature Galaxy. It is because I don't like Galaxy, or because everybody has been brewing the bad Galaxy recently? $15 per lb is hard to beat, but I am sure I could find a dozen hops at YVH for $20 per lb or less that I know I will enjoy.

With that said, I picked up a 4-pack of Trillium Olmsted and had the first one yesterday. At the store I did not realize it was a Galaxy + Nelson beer. It was a really nice beer and one of the better NEIPAs I have had in a while. No idea if that was 2023 Galaxy.

 

[secretlevel]

I completely understand those of you that have been burned by galaxy one too many times to try again, but I have issues! I f-ing love this hop. Though I kinda love them all.

This beer from The Veil is an all galaxy beer that is “triple dry hoppped” and it’s stupid good. I recognize they may well get to pick, though not sure anyone can with Aussie hops? But a lot of my HB interest/enthusiasm is in the fun of trying emulating pro brews I really love. I have no intention of ever going pro.


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[ihavenonickname]

Trying to figure out what I should do with my pound of 2022 galaxy that smells just ok. *sigh*

 

[LumberZach]

Trying to figure out what I should do with my pound of 2022 galaxy that smells just ok. *sigh*

Use it with reckless abandon to make room for 2023.

 

[spersichilli]

With that said, I picked up a 4-pack of Trillium Olmsted and had the first one yesterday. At the store I did not realize it was a Galaxy + Nelson beer. It was a really nice beer and one of the better NEIPAs I have had in a while. No idea if that was 2023 Galaxy.

I had a can of Headroom the other day and it was low key a mess. Just a whisper of that old school galaxy and then it faded to a **** ton of grassy astringency. Basically felt like chewing on a hop pellet.

 

[LumberZach]

I had a can of Headroom the other day and it was low key a mess. Just a whisper of that old school galaxy and then it faded to a **** ton of grassy astringency. Basically felt like chewing on a hop pellet.

Headroom on tap was straight fire.

 

[spersichilli]

Headroom on tap was straight fire.

I think there might have been an oxidation issue on the cans and maybe there was significantly more particulate in my cans vs the kegs.

 

[Jesse Runowski]

Anyone listen to the latest CB&B podcast with Sam Zermeno from Brujos? I've never had their IPAs but they have a pretty big following and some solid ratings on Untappd.

Sam gives a lot of detail around the recipe and process. Pretty neat. As they are going through recipe design he says something along the lines of, "we use 30% pilsner, the rest is wheat and oats".......WHAT. I know Troon uses about 50% oats but 70% wheat and oats!

The mash will almost be oatmeal at that point. I am curious what ratio of oats and wheat he uses, I may have missed it so I need to give it another listen.

Sam Zermeño of Brujos Is Casting Liquid Spells