New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[aaronm13]

Def not perfectly but I’d like to say I can get ballpark. I feel like it’s easier to understand dryhop outcomes than hotside outcomes

I'd love to be at that level. I just have to hope for the best. The Nectaron I have is definitely diesel heavy, but I just know this from brewing with it which is why I got more from Yakima. Have you used the 22 batch from Yakima? any feedback?

 

[mijclarke]

Hmm, I brewed in January and did a 3oz dry hop of nectaron that didn’t give off diesel but I fermented too warm and transferred on Day 2 to keg (with spunding valve) and the beer was yeast forward which may have covered up some diesel taste.
Memorial day I brewed Nates Tree House IPA and was going to substitute some of the citra with my last 3oz nectaron but now I’m thinking I stay true to the recipe of equal parts simcoe, citra and Amarillo

 

[Frieds]

Going back to this, I had other half’s “all Nectaron everything” last night and it also had this metallic/weird aroma which was unpleasant and exactly the flavor I had in mine. I am not enjoying this hop at all, and I have 2 lbs of it…

I visited the United States back in April and went to the OH taproom in Brooklyn. They had All Nectaron Everything on draft there so I ordered a glass. To me it was pure marijuana. It was the dankest beer I’ve ever smelled and tasted.

 

[CyberFox]

Has anyone ground up hop pellets for better extraction at cold temps?

 

[couchsending]

A little insight on Nectaron…

I started buying this from Australia and having it shipped to me in 2019. It was just HORT 4337 at the time. I still remember the first time I opened the first bag. Was floored by the smell. The pellets were so oily they were all stuck together and were actually incredibly hard to break apart. The first beer I made with it used maybe 20% Nectaron paired with equal parts Riwaka and Nelson. The Nectaron dominated the mix which was impressive considering the potency of the other two varieties.

I never got any diesel out of it at all. Zero. It was almost more Australian than New Zealand. It’s a sister to Waimea which I also get no diesel out of.

Took a while but we have it under contract at my brewery. The lot we have on contract is not anywhere near the stuff I was getting when I was ordering it from Australia as a homebrewer. It actually has a lot of OG when smelling the open bag which I’ve never got from any NZ hops. However none of that comes through in the beer. I don’t get any diesel out of the stuff we have. We make a single hop pale ale dry hopped at 1.5#/bbl with it and use it as the feature hop in a 5% IPA called Laser Kiwi that’s maybe 50% of the blend (Nelson, NZ Cascade make up the rest).

It’s definitely unique and really stands out to me. I find it hard to describe it’s profile. Mostly pineapple/peach. Little grass. Zero diesel however.

Haven’t had many other Nectaron beers.

When Nectaron is good and 586 is good that combo might be the coolest combo I’ve ever experienced. Better than the best Galaxy beer I’ve ever had. Sadly neither are great right now it seems.

 

[Rob2010SS]

Prepping to brew another one of these using citra, mosaic, and Nelson. Also thinking of incorporating 1lb of Saaz into the mash and using cosmic punch, but not 100% on that yet.

I’m thinking of breaking it up this way…

Whirlpool 1lb/bbl
Citra/Mosaic (1:2) at 170F

Dry Hop 1 (tail end of ferm) 1lb/bbl
Mosaic/Nelson (2:1) at 64F

Dry shop 2 (after soft crash) 3lb/bbl
Citra/Nelson (1.5:1) at 60F

I’ve read some of the other threads/posts with people talking about Nelson being potent. I don’t want it stealing the show which is why I’m keeping it lower.

All that said, here’s what that schedule looks like. Thoughts?

HOPS:
1 lb - Saaz, Type: Pellet, AA: 3.5, Use: Mash, IBU: 3.6
8 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Whirlpool for 20 min at 170 °F, IBU: 4.25
16 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Whirlpool for 20 min at 170 °F, IBU: 9.65
16 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop (High Krausen) for 4 min
8 oz - Nelson Sauvin, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop (High Krausen) for 4 min
29 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Dry Hop for 2 days
19 oz - Nelson Sauvin, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop for 2 days

EDIT: I’ll probably swap out some for Lupomax or something like that to lower the vegetal matter in the tank

 

[secretlevel]

Prepping to brew another one of these using citra, mosaic, and Nelson. Also thinking of incorporating 1lb of Saaz into the mash and using cosmic punch, but not 100% on that yet.

I’m thinking of breaking it up this way…

Whirlpool 1lb/bbl
Citra/Mosaic (1:2) at 170F

Dry Hop 1 (tail end of ferm) 1lb/bbl
Mosaic/Nelson (2:1) at 64F

Dry shop 2 (after soft crash) 3lb/bbl
Citra/Nelson (1.5:1) at 60F

I’ve read some of the other threads/posts with people talking about Nelson being potent. I don’t want it stealing the show which is why I’m keeping it lower.

All that said, here’s what that schedule looks like. Thoughts?

HOPS:
1 lb - Saaz, Type: Pellet, AA: 3.5, Use: Mash, IBU: 3.6
8 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Whirlpool for 20 min at 170 °F, IBU: 4.25
16 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Whirlpool for 20 min at 170 °F, IBU: 9.65
16 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop (High Krausen) for 4 min
8 oz - Nelson Sauvin, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop (High Krausen) for 4 min
29 oz - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 11, Use: Dry Hop for 2 days
19 oz - Nelson Sauvin, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop for 2 days

EDIT: I’ll probably swap out some for Lupomax or something like that to lower the vegetal matter in the tank

Yee finally doing a hazy on the big setup!
The recipe looks really good, I'm not sure if you're doing tail end or high krausen - your notes vary, but I'd say that most of us have moved away from high krausen additions, I add a little bit of my DH very late so that my cans don't explode later, otherwise most folks here are DH'ing at around 50-55F. I highly recommend Lupomax late on, good stuff.

Otherwise DH looks a wee bit low to me, but I'm not good at bbl maths...

Personal comment on thiolized yeasts, I don't mash hop to "maximize" the thiols, they're already powerful AF and overpower everything in their path. Having said that, Cosmic Punch is pleasantly toned down compared to Helio gazer. It's still pretty evident tho.

 

[Rob2010SS]

Yee finally doing a hazy on the big setup!
The recipe looks really good, I'm not sure if you're doing tail end or high krausen - your notes vary, but I'd say that most of us have moved away from high krausen additions, I add a little bit of my DH very late so that my cans don't explode later, otherwise most folks here are DH'ing at around 50-55F. I highly recommend Lupomax late on, good stuff.

Otherwise DH looks a wee bit low to me, but I'm not good at bbl maths...

Personal comment on thiolized yeasts, I don't mash hop to "maximize" the thiols, they're already powerful AF and overpower everything in their path. Having said that, Cosmic Punch is pleasantly toned down compared to Helio gazer. It's still pretty evident tho.

Yep finally doing one! Surprisingly, hoppy styles don’t sell that well with our locals haha.

As far as the dry hop, it was going to be tail end of fermentation. BF doesn’t have that option so I set it as high krausen but in reality, it’s tail end of fermentation.

I swapped out all of the Mosaic for Lupomax and I swapped the citra from the second dry hop for Lupomax.

You talking second dry hop or first one? I was targeting 4-5lb/bbl total dry hop and was going to do 1.5lb/bbl in the first and 3lb/bbl in the second which is, I believe, where I’m with the above numbers.

My math…
40 gal in fermenter
31 gal in bbl

40 / 31 = 1.29

Dry hop 1 = 1.5lbs
Dry hop 2 = 3lbs

 

[Rob2010SS]

Yee finally doing a hazy on the big setup!
The recipe looks really good, I'm not sure if you're doing tail end or high krausen - your notes vary, but I'd say that most of us have moved away from high krausen additions, I add a little bit of my DH very late so that my cans don't explode later, otherwise most folks here are DH'ing at around 50-55F. I highly recommend Lupomax late on, good stuff.

Otherwise DH looks a wee bit low to me, but I'm not good at bbl maths...

Personal comment on thiolized yeasts, I don't mash hop to "maximize" the thiols, they're already powerful AF and overpower everything in their path. Having said that, Cosmic Punch is pleasantly toned down compared to Helio gazer. It's still pretty evident tho.

As far as cosmic vs helio, I thought helio had a higher attenuation but I was mistaken. Maybe I’ll look into that one instead. Not sure on that one yet. I don’t have any experience with thiolized yeasts…

 

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I don’t have any experience with thiolized yeasts…

I don't want to be out of place here, but ya might think about the first time being on the homebrew scale?

 

[Rob2010SS]

I don't want to be out of place here, but ya might think about the first time being on the homebrew scale?

Not out of place at all. I’ve been reading some reviews of other people’s experiences with these yeasts and while there’s some good, there’s a lot of bad. I might scrap the idea of using them and just stick with British ale V.

 

[Dgallo]

Not out of place at all. I’ve been reading some reviews of other people’s experiences with these yeasts and while there’s some good, there’s a lot of bad. I might scrap the idea of using them and just stick with British ale V.

I personally hate the thiolized yeast. Makes the beers have a faint scent of bo and sulfur. Not to mention it takes over all of the hop character.

 

[beervoid]

I personally hate the thiolized yeast. Makes the beers have a faint scent of bo and sulfur. Not to mention it takes over all of the hop character.

Agree, didnt get much out of it so far.
Have a phantasm beer in the planning with regular la3 to compare.

 

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I've got 4oz. each of Nectaron, Mosaic and Nelson Sauvin.

Anyone mind giving me a quick recommendation on how to use them? Hot side vs. dry hop, particular ratios, one to skip for now and replace with something else? I'm not a Citra fan unfortunately. I'm an experienced brewer overall but a NEIPA newbie.

 

[jka.kawa]

Do you keep head pressure while cold crashing?

As to how much i try to burp 1-2 times a day for 2 days, short shots of co2. Since long co2 burp seems to strip aroma in my experience.
I also do have a tc valve installed between tank and elbow.
I set the tank to 10 psi and start a CC, when it hits 2c it sits around 8 psi.

 

[Dgallo]

If anyone has a spike cf15 fv, great fermentations has an absolutely crazy deal of the temp control package

 

[stickyfinger]

Kind of interesting podcast.



These guys talk a lot about biotransformation. Surprising to me. Also, JC talks about the only way to know if a hop lot will be good is to do a bench trial. Makes sense to me.

Oh also. Not much love for any other hop products than T90

 

[beervoid]

Kind of interesting podcast.



These guys talk a lot about biotransformation. Surprising to me. Also, JC talks about the only way to know if a hop lot will be good is to do a bench trial. Makes sense to me.

Oh also. Not much love for any other hop products than T90

Dang some heavy hitters in there. Very nice.
Waiting for Tree House podcast haha

 

[elproducto]

Anyone have a base Double IPA recipe they like? @Dgallo ?

I don't have any cryo or anything, so would need to be without that.

TIA

 

[ihavenonickname]

This thread should have a wiki summary page and FAQs…

 

[Dgallo]

This thread should have a wiki summary page and FAQs…

There is a decent search feature at the top right. Def helps find specific posts

 

[Dgallo]

Anyone have a base Double IPA recipe they like? @Dgallo ?

I don't have any cryo or anything, so would need to be without that.

TIA

I can send you a solid base recipe that you can tweak to meet your preference and ingredients on hand. I’ll have time after the kids go down

 

[elproducto]

I can send you a solid base recipe that you can tweak to meet your preference and ingredients on hand. I’ll have time after the kids go down

Amazing thanks.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Dry hop should be no longer than 2 days for Southern Hemisphere hops or else you get the nothing but diesel dank.

100% Nelson totally agree.

OT, but this reminded me of a beer I had recently that was outstanding, Imaginator from Fieldwork in Berkeley:

The beer had all of the typical Nelson qualities but seemed much more intense and dank. I'm sure breweries have been blending hop lots forever, but doing it intentionally this way was interesting to me.

 

[ihavenonickname]

Kind of interesting podcast.



These guys talk a lot about biotransformation. Surprising to me. Also, JC talks about the only way to know if a hop lot will be good is to do a bench trial. Makes sense to me.

Oh also. Not much love for any other hop products than T90

They all touched on dry hop process at the end. Pretty interesting to me nobody mentioned dropping the temperature for crashing yeast or Dry Hopping and the contact times are about four days. No rousing from monkish is pretty surprising to me!

 

[couchsending]

Anyone have a base Double IPA recipe they like? @Dgallo ?

I don't have any cryo or anything, so would need to be without that.

TIA

Pilsner/2Row Blend
4% Dex
80ish theoretical IBU
1.012-1.014 FG target

100ppm Ca
3:1 Sulfate, Chloride

148, 162, 168 if you can step

Hop Extract @ 60
Simcoe @ 30
Nelson @ 10

180 WP Nelson/Idaho 7 @ 1.5#/bbl

Bootleg Biology Classic New England
-best source for Conan there is

Pitch at 64, ferment 66. Freerise on day 3 lots of o2. Big starter

let rest for 2 days after ferm is complete, then drop to 55 for 24 hours

Remove yeast

DH: 4#/bbl Nelson, Citra, Motueka
3:2:1

Rouse on day 2

Crash on day 3

Remove hops, lager for 5-7 days

Carb and serve

If you do everything right the result will be a big, bright, saturated, aromatic double IPA that’s incredibly drinkable

 

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I've got 4oz. each of Nectaron, Mosaic and Nelson Sauvin.

Anyone mind giving me a quick recommendation on how to use them? Hot side vs. dry hop, particular ratios, one to skip for now and replace with something else? I'm not a Citra fan unfortunately. I'm an experienced brewer overall but a NEIPA newbie.

Sorry to be the super newb here, will try one more time. I brewed a Brown Ale yesterday and aiming for a NEIPA next. Anyone mind giving a quick recommendation on the hops above - Nectaron, Mosaic and Nelson? Using them late boil vs dry, using perhaps just 2 of the 3 and adding another, going for all 3? If you had each of these on hand, what would you be thinking for using them? I doubt I can go wrong but am open to suggestions.

 

[couchsending]

Sorry to be the super newb here, will try one more time. I brewed a Brown Ale yesterday and aiming for a NEIPA next. Anyone mind giving a quick recommendation on the hops above - Nectaron, Mosaic and Nelson? Using them late boil vs dry, using perhaps just 2 of the 3 and adding another, going for all 3? If you had each of these on hand, what would you be thinking for using them? I doubt I can go wrong but am open to suggestions.

5 gallons?

2oz Nectaron, 2oz Nelson in WP

DH with the rest

 

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5 gallons?

2oz Nectaron, 2oz Nelson in WP

DH with the rest

Yes, And thanks!

 

[couchsending]

This is just a general recommendation for anyone on here… instead of just following recipes blindly or just taking advice from people on here….

SMELL YOUR HOPS

The quality of Homebrew level hops is variable at best. Hell the quality of pro level hops is variable at best. Put the hops that smell the best in the DH. Use the ones that don’t smell as good on the hotside or throw them away.

If the recipe calls for a 70:30 ratio of Citra:Nelson but you open the Citra and it’s super onion/garlic but the Nelson is ripping then swap the ratios… might not be the exact beer but the beer will be much better in the end.