Most over/under rated hop

[urbanmyth]

I'm the only one who said centennial is overrated. I can only think of one beer ever that features centennial that I love. Two hearted. Anytime I have used them, or friends have, the results have been less than stellar.

Sounds like you need to learn how to use them, then.

 

[mike_in_ak]

I'm the only one who said centennial is overrated. I can only think of one beer ever that features centennial that I love. Two hearted. Anytime I have used them, or friends have, the results have been less than stellar.

What I read: Two Hearted, a beer that uses only Centennial hops, is amazing. Centennial is over rated.

 

[chiteface]

What I said. Name another beer that features centennial that is great. I find it to be a temperamental hop that is challenging to make beer with. Maybe I do need to learn to use it, but that would further justify my point. Why do that when I can use a dozen other hops that don't provide me with the same challenges. Hell I would rather use centennial type.

 

[bellmtbbq]

I'm the only one who said centennial is overrated. I can only think of one beer ever that features centennial that I love. Two hearted. Anytime I have used them, or friends have, the results have been less than stellar.

Stone Ruination is all Centennial... There's a few other great beers

 

[Beezer94]

I think Amarillo is probably overrated. I actually really enjoy it when mixed with other hops, but I on it's own it's really one dimensional. It's lack of consistent availability seems to make artificially increase it's demand.

Crystal is an underrated hop. It has a fantastic floral aroma. It's low alpha, but packs a wallop of aroma. It has a similar floral character as Centennial, only even stronger.

Merkur is another underrated hop. It's a high alpha, extremely clean bittering hop, but also has a great, stronger Hallertau character in flavor/aroma additions.

 

[chiteface]

Stone Ruination is all Centennial... There's a few other great beers

Maybe I'll give that another try. Been a while since I've tried it. Didn't love it, but didn't hate when I tried it before.

 

[HokieBrewer]

Founders Centennial IPA is delicious as well.

Underrated - CTZ, super cheap and incredible orange / dankness when used late.

I really like Perle to bitter with, especially in dark beers.

 

[Battles4Seattle]

Maybe I'll give that another try. Been a while since I've tried it. Didn't love it, but didn't hate when I tried it before.

Just a regular Stone IPA is all centennial as well.

 

[thadius856]

"All Centennial"?

I'm not up on my nomenclature, but Ruination is bittered with Columbus (CTZ). Or, do we not count those?

For example... is Double Simcoe bittered with only Simcoe?

 

[meadowstream]

+1 Northern Brewer and Willamette - if you like deep earthy then these add tasty complexity to balance citrus/flowery from other hops additions. (Of course, there are other good substitutions for these, but I think of these two as backbone or workhorse hops.)

 

[chiteface]

Founders Centennial IPA is delicious as well.

Love Founders. Don't care for that beer. That is the only one specifically I can think of by them that I don't like.

 

[dpatrickv]

Citra is overrated IMO.

Rakau is under-rated. Absolutely beautiful notes on that hop. Probably one of the very few NZ hops that I really love.

 

[fc36]

Just made a Nelson Sauvin, Simcoe, Citra IIPA and I'm telling you the Nelson has rendered it almost undrinkable. I've loved most NZ hops to this point, but Nelson has done me wrong. I'll let the keg age a little longer and see how it tastes in a couple weeks.

 

[JKaranka]

Underrated: cluster, nugget and brewer's gold. Many of the most aromatic beers I've drank have had cluster and/or nugget in them at some point. Plus they don't get all the overpowering (and hard to graft) flavours of, say, amarillo, simcoe, citra or nelson sauvin. And brewer's gold is just incredible: red fruit, peach, NO citrus, NO grapefruit!

 

[Johnnyhitch1]

Just made a Nelson Sauvin, Simcoe, Citra IIPA and I'm telling you the Nelson has rendered it almost undrinkable. I've loved most NZ hops to this point, but Nelson has done me wrong. I'll let the keg age a little longer and see how it tastes in a couple weeks.

Bought a pd of nelson after this years crop came out and boy am i pissed, didnt spend to much on it just dont like it as a late addition just takes away from everything else.

Underrated hop would have to be Nugget, love its clean bittering and versitile play in the boil

Overrated i would have to say Nelson, way to overpowering.

 

[fc36]

Bought a pd of nelson after this years crop came out and boy am i pissed, didnt spend to much on it just dont like it as a late addition just takes away from everything else.

Underrated hop would have to be Nugget, love its clean bittering and versitile play in the boil

Overrated i would have to say Nelson, way to overpowering.

Exactly my thoughts. If I use it again, it'll be strictly for up front bittering. No way am I letting it take precedence as either a late addition or dry hop ever again. Btw, if you read the New Zealand Hop Growers website on Nelson Sauvin, even they say to use it "judiciously".
http://www.nzhops.co.nz/varieties/nelson_sauvin.html

******* Kiwis with their rotten fruit flavored hops.

 

[JKaranka]

I don't hate Nelson, though... it's just that about every brewery has something going on with it and half of them taste exactly the same!

 

[thadius856]

Nugget is many of my favorite brews.

Wish I could get Nugget Nectar out here. I might have to try a Nugget SMaSH or Nectar clone.

 

[GinSlinger]

I will go on record as saying Zeus is underrated--so underrated, in fact, that it gets grouped into a lineage it is not: http://beerlegends.com/zeus-hops

Zeus Hops, although genetically different, gets shuffled into the CTZ group of Hops. CTZ stands for Columbus, Tomahawk, and Zeus.

I wish I could find "Zeus" hops again, but everything I find is "Columbus."

I'm one of those that gets "cat piss" from Simcoe, so mark that up as overrated for me. I've wondered if it's the high myrcene content, and have avoided some others, perhaps unfairly, for that reason.

This thread is great for making me realize how many hops I need to try. Need to break the Cascade-as-house-hop attitude. Not that there's anything wrong with Cascade!

 

[thadius856]

I wish I could find "Zeus" hops again, but everything I find is "Columbus."

Go nuts. Here's a Zeus rhizome on eBay.

 

[GinSlinger]

Go nuts. Here's a Zeus rhizome on eBay.

Thanks for adding to the reasons I wish I wasn't a grad student.

No, really, thanks . . . . *grumble*

ETA: Seriously, that might be a golden opportunity for someone--to grab up the last of the Zeus labelled rhizomes/crowns and make CTZ defend their trademark (one name, two different genomes). If only I had stayed in bartending/construction/warehousing . . . .

 

[chiteface]

Go nuts. Here's a Zeus rhizome on eBay.

Hey that's right by me...may go pick some up to go with my nugget, Chinook and Canadian red vine.

 

[thadius856]

ETA: Seriously, that might be a golden opportunity for someone--to grab up the last of the Zeus labelled rhizomes/crowns and make CTZ defend their trademark (one name, two different genomes). If only I had stayed in bartending/construction/warehousing . . . .

They can trademark whatever name they want for it. But unless it's a genetically modified organism, they can't copyright the plant itself.

You're perfectly within you legal right to buy a Columbus rhizome and name it whatever you like, then trademark the name, assuming it isn't already taken or extremely similar to another.

We better keep up the Greek God lineage. Buy one and rename it Hermes. Better yet... Titan.

 

[GinSlinger]

We better keep up the Greek God lineage. Buy one and rename it Hermes. Better yet... Titan.

Or, since it's a rhizome, Athena who "sprung, fully formed and wearing armor" from Zeus' head.

Looking around, it may be possible to grow hops (at a diminished yield) outside an apartment.

Thanks again.

 

[urbanmyth]

Nugget is many of my favorite brews.

Wish I could get Nugget Nectar out here. I might have to try a Nugget SMaSH or Nectar clone.

From what I understand, Nugget Nectar gets most of it's character from Simcoe and CTZ. It's just called that because they use Nugget for the bittering and it sounds good.

 

[TwoGunz]

Not sure how it's generally "rated", but I hadn't heard of NZ Motueka when I stumbled on it and its quickly become an absolute favorite. So tasty

 

[chiteface]

From what I understand, Nugget Nectar gets most of it's character from Simcoe and CTZ. It's just called that because they use Nugget for the bittering and it sounds good.

Might you call it being a SMASH and urban myth? Huh huh? See what I did there...also nugget is awesome.

 

[reinstone]

Centennial!!,!

 

[KaSaBiS]

Overrated- I thin citra is a touch overrated. I do love it's uniqueness, but you need to be careful in how u use it (best when blended with other hops)

agreed. a local brewery near me makes a citra hops only IPA. not good at all...

 

[thadius856]

I have one down that road that makes "Citra", obviously a Citra pale.

And "Simtra", a triple-Citra IPA.

Not a fan of either.