Miller lite clone . why the heck would you?

[NickTheGreat]

I stopped drinking BMC Lagers when I read about all the DiHydrogen Monoxide they put in their beers. Do you have any idea how many children are killed every year due to DiHydrogen Monoxide related incidents?!?

 

[rmyurick]

Plus, it will be fresh, unpasteurized, and probably better for you (no heading agents or preservatives added). Interested in how it turns out.

The lady who won brewer of the year last year brewed an American Light Lager, called "Mow The Damn Lawn".

 

[zwiller]

I stopped drinking BMC Lagers when I read about all the DiHydrogen Monoxide they put in their beers. Do you have any idea how many children are killed every year due to DiHydrogen Monoxide related incidents?!?

:rockin:

 

[drainbamage]

The GMO grain that is produced by Monsanto Corp. For Miller Lite is treated heavily with chemicals and is engineered to with stand heavy doses of pesticide. In Europe GMO grain is banned because it is consistently linked to liver cancer.

I only drink GMO-free beer...you know, because I wouldn't want to do anything that damages my liver. :cross:

 

[frankjones]

I bought certified organic from Midwest Supplies and I guess ignorantly cliche doesn't apply.

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/certified-organic-malts.html

 

[frankjones]

I really didn't expect this thread to turn argumentative, I buy organic from

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/certified-organic-malts.html

Do a little better health and calorie wise. Don't want to support the GMO producers and like a clean, light beer without chemicals.

I drink seven to ten beers a week. Maybe 12.

 

[kombat]

I buy organic from [ ...] Do a little better health and calorie wise.

Are you claiming that organic foods are healthier and lower calorie?

Have any studies definitively linked organic food with improved health?

 

[myelo]

You read that Foodbabe blog, didn't you? Take it with a grain of salt and check out some of the rebuttal articles.

Salt is bad for you. It has chemicals in it. Like sodium chloride.

 

[drainbamage]

Salt is bad for you. It has chemicals in it. Like sodium chloride.

Crap, you're right! Take the blog with a grain of quinoa, then.

 

[hunter_le five]

Salt is bad for you. It has chemicals in it. Like sodium chloride.

It gets even worse.

I did some research, and guess what one of the two major ingredients in sodium chloride is?

That's right, chlorine! The same chemical used in chemical weapons to gas thousands of soldiers to death in the First World War!

I will not be taking my dubiously-sourced blog information with a grain of ANYTHING, good sir.

Clearly the only safe additive-free method of learning is to take everything I read at face value and question nothing.


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[frankjones]

No not claiming anything. Just making a statement.

Eating or drinking a product made with smaller portions or less calories is how you enjoy lower calories.

Consuming organic food / drink. as simple as just consuming organic food / drink.

Not really sure why this thread is turning argumentive.

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[hunter_le five]

But back on point to the OP, nothing wrong with brewing a Miller Lite clone. Not may favorite style for sure, but it can be damn refreshing on a hot summer day. I give BMC-style beers a lot of crap, but even they have their time and place.

As for the GMO thing... I think many of the health-related arguments against them are suspect, or at the very least the jury is still out.

But I can certainly understand the socio-political arguments against companies like Monsanto. Don't get me wrong, GMO products have done wonders for creating plentiful and sustainable food sources for a rapidly growing world population, and thus are likely a necessary "evil".... But some of monsanto's business practices, the ramifications behind genetic patenting, etc. are troubling to day the least.


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[frankjones]

I definitely agree with you. I like a crisp, clean tasting I ice cold beer on a hot day. Just don't want the extra calories and Miller lite clone tastes way better than actual miller lite!

 

[kombat]

Not really sure why this thread is turning argumentive.

Because people keep making absurd, baseless, easily disprovable statements like "GMO causes liver cancer" and "organic food has lower calories" and "chemicals in food are bad but alcohol is A-OK." It's ideological fanaticism and rhetoric meant to confuse and mislead people into joining their misguided cause, thus bringing validation to their controversial dietary lifestyle choices (1 million vegans can't be wrong ... can they? Still, recruiting a few more can't hurt).

 

[frankjones]

I guess.. But I said GMO is linked to. Not causes. I said I buy organic and consume lesser quantities of each. If you get a chance re-read. Thanks for your in put.

 

[kombat]

I guess.. But I said GMO is linked to. Not causes.

LOL! I guess you've got me there! "Linked to" could also mean people who already have liver cancer get a sudden craving for GMO food. It's equally reasonable to assume THAT'S what you meant to imply when you said "linked to," right?

I said I buy organic and consume lesser quantities of each. If you get a chance re-read.

I'll do you one better and quote you verbatim. You said:

"I buy organic [ ...] Do a little better health and calorie wise."

Now, "Do a little better health and calorie wise" is a little ambiguous, since it's not an actual English sentence. But I think it's reasonable to conclude that you meant to imply that organic foods are healthier for you and contain fewer calories, which is of course nonsense. And since you can "consume lesser quantities" of ANY food - not just organic - and end up with fewer calories, I'm not sure why you're now trying to claim that's what you meant, rather than the more reasonable conclusion that you were claiming that organic foods contain fewer calories.

I'll give you one thing though, dude - you're one heck of a troll. You've certainly got me hook, line and sinker.

 

[frankjones]

I guess. Never been called a troll. Glad I could offer you some entertainment. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to read my threads/posts.

 

[Braufessor]

I would try to brew a beer like a light american lager for the challenge, and also to simply see if I could make a homebrewed version could give a bit more flavor to a pretty "bland" beer. Not making it something it is not, but I have never had a homebrewed version..... which makes me curious. I like a light, crisp beer on a hot day. Lot's of people do.

 

[ericbw]

LOL! I guess you've got me there! "Linked to" could also mean people who already have liver cancer get a sudden craving for GMO food. It's equally reasonable to assume THAT'S what you meant to imply when you said "linked to," right?



I'll do you one better and quote you verbatim. You said:

"I buy organic [ ...] Do a little better health and calorie wise."

Now, "Do a little better health and calorie wise" is a little ambiguous, since it's not an actual English sentence. But I think it's reasonable to conclude that you meant to imply that organic foods are healthier for you and contain fewer calories, which is of course nonsense. And since you can "consume lesser quantities" of ANY food - not just organic - and end up with fewer calories, I'm not sure why you're now trying to claim that's what you meant, rather than the more reasonable conclusion that you were claiming that organic foods contain fewer calories.

I'll give you one thing though, dude - you're one heck of a troll. You've certainly got me hook, line and sinker.

It really doesn't hurt you if someone has a different opinion. He didn't say you need to eat a certain way, unless I missed it. No need to be an ass, kombat.

Also, "Do a little better..." is an "actual" English sentence. Not sure where you got that.

 

[kombat]

It really doesn't hurt you if someone has a different opinion.

Oh of course, absolutely, I agree. But when I see someone posting misleading and false information, I can't help but call them out on it, lest someone innocently reads that content and accepts it as fact.

Also, "Do a little better..." is an "actual" English sentence. Not sure where you got that.

Really? What's the subject?

I don't claim to be a grammar expert, but as far as my dusty memory of elementary school grammar goes, I think that's a "sentence fragment," and not a complete sentence in and of itself, no? Perhaps someone a little more knowledgeable in English grammar can chime in? I'm always open to learning more.

 

[zeptrey]

Oh of course, absolutely, I agree. But when I see someone posting misleading and false information, I can't help but call them out on it, lest someone innocently reads that content and accepts it as fact.



Really? What's the subject?

I don't claim to be a grammar expert, but as far as my dusty memory of elementary school grammar goes, I think that's a "sentence fragment," and not a complete sentence in and of itself, no? Perhaps someone a little more knowledgeable in English grammar can chime in? I'm always open to learning more.

The understood you is the subject. "You do a little better" ...fueling the flames...

 

[dobe12]

For all those cutting off certain beers and foods that used GMO grains, you better start cutting off most of what you consume.

By 2012, 88 percent of corn (maize) and 94 percent of soy grown in the United States were genetically modified, according to the US Department of Agriculture.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-06-gmo-corn-soybeans-dominate.html#jCp

And take a guess at how many food products you consume every day that contain some amount of corn or soy?

 

[dobe12]

But back to the OP.... last year I brewed a Classic American Pilsner for NHC. My brew club (Barley Legal Homebrewers) attempted to bring a keg of beer for every style listed in BJCP style guides. I made a few and gave CAP a shot. A long forgotten style with no commercial offerings outside of the occasional craft option. Anyway, I'd recommend making one. I was VERY pleased with what I made and was proud to serve it at NHC.

It's a fantastic alternative to the American Light Lager style.

 

[hunter_le five]

It really doesn't hurt you if someone has a different opinion. He didn't say you need to eat a certain way, unless I missed it. No need to be an ass, kombat.

Oh of course, absolutely, I agree. But when I see someone posting misleading and false information, I can't help but call them out on it, lest someone innocently reads that content and accepts it as fact.

To be fair, all the OP said in the beginning was "I don't want to buy beer made with GMO," and you immediately jumped in with "What's wrong with GMO? Have they finally published a study showing even the slightest negative health effect from consuming GMO food? No? Still not yet, huh?"

I mean, yeah, I agree with literally every point you made regarding GMO foods, I just don't see the reason for the needlessly antagonistic thread derail.

 

[ericbw]

Oh of course, absolutely, I agree. But when I see someone posting misleading and false information, I can't help but call them out on it, lest someone innocently reads that content and accepts it as fact.



Really? What's the subject?

I don't claim to be a grammar expert, but as far as my dusty memory of elementary school grammar goes, I think that's a "sentence fragment," and not a complete sentence in and of itself, no? Perhaps someone a little more knowledgeable in English grammar can chime in? I'm always open to learning more.

I have a master's degree in English, so I can answer that.

English sentences and grammar are mostly built around verbs, not nouns (subject). Sometimes the nouns are are explicit and sometimes they are implicit.

There is, as someone mentioned, the "you understood" construction.

"Shut the door." This is a proper sentence without an explicit subject. Some people call that "you understood" because it is understood that "you" is the implied subject. That's just an example of how sentences can be constructed without writing/saying the subject.

What Frank did was similar, but where Zeptrey is mistaken is what subject Frank implied. If we take a broader look at the text, we see that Frank uses the same construction again.

1. Do a little better health and calorie wise.

2. Don't want to support the GMO producers and

3. like a clean, light beer without chemicals.

4. I drink seven to ten beers a week. Maybe 12.*

In all 4 of these phrases, the implied or explicit subject is I. Not you. He is explaining how he lives his life and chooses food. He is not telling you or anyone else that they should do that.

How's that for linguistic and discourse analysis?

*Interestingly, there is another example of elliptical construction in line 4. When he says "Maybe 12," he actually means "Maybe [I drink] 12 [beers in a week]. There is a lot in that sentence that is left to context, including, again, the subject "I." He does not like to use I.

But I still don't understand what the harm is in NOT eating GMO food. Or the harm in eating organic. You say you don't want people to mislead others, but as far as the ways people can be misled, this seems like a fairly harmless one.

 

[ericbw]

And back to the OP, I forget if anyone mentioned a cream ale? It's not quite as light as a lager (especially Lite), but it's light and crisp. It's another American classic without enough commercial examples.

 

[zeptrey]

I have a master's degree in English, so I can answer that.

English sentences and grammar are mostly built around verbs, not nouns (subject). Sometimes the nouns are are explicit and sometimes they are implicit.

There is, as someone mentioned, the "you understood" construction.

"Shut the door." This is a proper sentence without an explicit subject. Some people call that "you understood" because it is understood that "you" is the implied subject. That's just an example of how sentences can be constructed without writing/saying the subject.

What Frank did was similar, but where Zeptrey is mistaken is what subject Frank implied. If we take a broader look at the text, we see that Frank uses the same construction again.

1. Do a little better health and calorie wise.

2. Don't want to support the GMO producers and

3. like a clean, light beer without chemicals.

4. I drink seven to ten beers a week. Maybe 12.*

In all 4 of these phrases, the implied or explicit subject is I. Not you. He is explaining how he lives his life and chooses food. He is not telling you or anyone else that they should do that.

How's that for linguistic and discourse analysis?

*Interestingly, there is another example of elliptical construction in line 4. When he says "Maybe 12," he actually means "Maybe [I drink] 12 [beers in a week]. There is a lot in that sentence that is left to context, including, again, the subject "I." He does not like to use I.

But I still don't understand what the harm is in NOT eating GMO food. Or the harm in eating organic. You say you don't want people to mislead others, but as far as the ways people can be misled, this seems like a fairly harmless one.

Yep my bad...what you said.

 

[LandoLincoln]

I don't want to buy beer made with

GMO

I'd be surprised to find out that maltsters aren't using GMO barleys.

 

[kombat]

I have a master's degree in English, so I can answer that.

Wow, thanks for the extremely detailed explanation! What you said makes perfect sense.

But I still don't understand what the harm is in NOT eating GMO food. Or the harm in eating organic. You say you don't want people to mislead others, but as far as the ways people can be misled, this seems like a fairly harmless one.

My objection to organic food is due to the implications on a macro scale, not an individual scale. I tend to approach ethical questions by asking, "If everyone did this, would society be better, worse, or unchanged?" And with regard to organics, if everyone decided to only eat organic, society would be very much worse off.

The yield of an acre of land depends on a number of factors, such as climate, soil, the particular crop being planted, rainfall, indigenous insect threats, and more. But as long as our society insists on relentlessly increasing in population, it's essential to maximize the yield of every possible acre. There's no question that organic crops produce a lower yield than conventional crops, which themselves produce lower yield than GMO crops. Therefore, in my opinion, it is ethically irresponsible to deliberately hamstring agricultural crop yield in the name of trendy, hipster motivations with no real scientifically-proven benefits.

Organic food isn't any healthier than regular food. GMO food doesn't kill people.

You know what does kill people? Starvation. According to the UN, 25,000 people starve to death every day. 80 people starved to death just while I was writing this post. How many people could have been fed if all the organic crops in the world had been raised as conventional crops instead?

Ever notice organic food in the grocery store costs more than conventional crops? Everyone needs to eat, so the demand remains constant. If the price goes up, it's because supply is constricted. That means that when you choose to pay $1 for an apple instead of $0.50, then someone else out there who only has $0.50 doesn't get any apple at all.

Look, we should be either having an open discussion about maybe perhaps curtailing our ever-growing population, or we need to embrace scientific advances that are necessary to feed everyone. But demanding to have as many kids as we want, while simultaneously shunning technologies that would relieve suffering and starvation in poorer regions of the world is a selfish luxury unique to rich, first world yuppies who are more worried about obesity than starvation.

 

[frankjones]

Hey folks! Thanks for replying to the thread in depth.

I was just making some statements about what / hour / why i consume certain goods and agree the user Kombat was being antagonistic.

It would appear to me the user Kombat just wanted to argue or had a need to prove a point. I'm not sure why he was so compelled to spend so much time on it.


Thanks for breaking down the thread!