Lambic Discussion Thread

[Digita7693]

According to MdV, it was a single layer that landed onto a Seattle pallet by accident. I don't really read reviews so didn't notice it until i was ******* around on Untappd the other day looking for something and saw quite the surprise.

I actually called one of the spots too and was like "Hey so do you have this Lambic?" "Sure do." "Cool. That's my Lambic, how'd you get it?" "Uhhhh."

Dude was super nice tho, CoCo was his name....i think Elizabeth Station it was? I guess he does this bangin' sour event every year so i'm not too mad about him getting it.

I'm kinda lost lol, what happened? What lambic?

 

[BadJustin]

CoCo was his name....i think Elizabeth Station it was? I guess he does this bangin' sour event every year so i'm not too mad about him getting it.

Was his last name Beware?

 

[boogercrack]

I'm kinda lost lol, what happened? What lambic?

They got a layer of his lambic, come on man, keep up


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BadJustin]

So vav stores his lambic layered? The fuq kind of wizardry is that?

 

[boogercrack]

So vav stores his lambic layered? The fuq kind of wizardry is that?

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[sherm10161]

What lambic?

Presumably the Lindemans Unblended Lambic that goes to the Publican in Chicago. It's tasty IIRC.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Presumably the Lindemans Unblended Lambic that goes to the Publican in Chicago. It's tasty IIRC.

Yep.

 

[stupac2]

Over the years I've come to the conclusion that there isn't an answer for storing your Lambic. Breweries mostly store sideways because it's efficient for space.

This is true. The rest...

Some claim the better yeast exposure causes the bottle conditioning to occur more quickly. I think that's true, though it doesn't make a huge difference.

Well, the "doesn't make a huge difference" thing is true, but I've never understood this. Do the yeast occupy more space when stored sideways? Does that provide more nutrient access? Is increased nutrient access what controls metabolic activity (as opposed to temperature, etc)? I have a very hard time believing any of that matters.

Some argue that sideways means zero oxygen ingress over time. There is no hard proof of that, but it has merit.

Those people are wrong. Oxygen ingress happens regardless of orientation, it's purely an effect of the seal. Why would an oxygen molecule diffusing through a seal care if it's diffusing into water or CO2? It doesn't see that until it's already through, how would it possibly make a difference?

Incidentally, the estimates I've seen of oxygen ingress through modern seals were a lot higher than I was expecting, mL/year or something. I'd need to look up my reference again but I've already spent too much time here...

It is true that American wilds SHOULD be stored upright

Why.

In the end I like storing my Lambic sideways because my fridge calls for it, and I saved some Cantillon and 3F boxes which also keep the bottles sideways. My excess bottles just go on the shelf upright.

"Do what's practical for you" is the only advice on this that makes any sense at all!

 

[RyanG1]

So for all you Seattle folks, you're in luck: Someone ****** up and sent a layer of my lambic out there. So enjoy it while you can. Untappd is showing check ins at Stumbling Monk, Elizabeth Station, Pint Defiance, and a few others.

-_________________________________-

Found it!

Sitting in the bed of my '06 Subby Baja

 

[gregkoko]

According to MdV, it was a single layer that landed onto a Seattle pallet by accident. I don't really read reviews so didn't notice it until i was ******* around on Untappd the other day looking for something and saw quite the surprise.

I actually called one of the spots too and was like "Hey so do you have this Lambic?" "Sure do." "Cool. That's my Lambic, how'd you get it?" "Uhhhh."

Dude was super nice tho, CoCo was his name....i think Elizabeth Station it was? I guess he does this bangin' sour event every year so i'm not too mad about him getting it.

Was his last name Beware?

You rang?

 

[vav1]

You rang?

Wait is that really you?

 

[wuntrikpony]

You rang?

Wait is that really you?

 

[gregkoko]

Wait is that really you?

Nah just another Koko trying to get by in this crazy world.

 

[tbub18]

Lindemans Unblended Lambic

 

[FoudreGuy]

It's good stuff.

 

[vav1]

So vav stores his lambic layered? The fuq kind of wizardry is that?

So actually, Keith formerly of Siebel and i talked about publishing a paper on the effects of storing beer upright vs. on its side. FWIW, our conclusion overall was that in the scheme of things it didn't matter, because there are too many variables in play in beers that would be stored (amount of yeast for bottle conditioning, residual sugar present, other yeasts/microorganisms present, batch & bottle variation, inconsistent method of delivery/temperature/movement before hitting the storage area, etc.) It was a very drawn out way of saying "shut up." But alas, we never got around to writing it.

That said, there does seem to be an effect of oxidation in corked bottles when stored on their sides vs. upright. As the cork dries out, it has larger chance of failing and letting more oxygen in.

It's good stuff.

That looks way to clear to be my lambic....that looks more like Cuvee Rene.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Keg was labeled Lindemanns Yonge Lambic and it tasted nothing like Cuvee Rene. :shrug

 

[vav1]

Keg was labeled Lindemanns Yonge Lambic and it tasted nothing like Cuvee Rene. :shrug

Got a pic of the keg by chance?

 

[FoudreGuy]

Got a pic of the keg by chance?

Nope, not sure why I would. Sorry.

 

[SeaWatchman]

That looks way to clear to be my lambic....that looks more like Cuvee Rene

Not sure why young lambic can't have the same clarity?

 

[boogercrack]

Butv was the keg on it's side or vertical

 

[MooseLang]

Got a pic of the keg by chance?

 

[wyatt1]

I got a layer of 3F from etre today.

 

[vav1]

Sorry for partying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[vav1]

Not sure why young lambic can't have the same clarity?

Oh it can, it's just in my experience kegs of Rene have always been fairly consistently clear, while kegs of young Lambic are consistently inconsistent in clarity. I haven't had a clear keg in the better part of a year. Just kinda interesting is all.

 

[stupac2]

That said, there does seem to be an effect of oxidation in corked bottles when stored on their sides vs. upright. As the cork dries out, it has larger chance of failing and letting more oxygen in.

Is this differentiating wine vs champagne corks? Also, are you using "drying out" as a general way to say "losing elasticity"? Because I don't think those are synonymous.

 

[vav1]

Is this differentiating wine vs champagne corks? Also, are you using "drying out" as a general way to say "losing elasticity"? Because I don't think those are synonymous.

Fair point, the substrate matters. For "Cork" we assumed your standard Cork Oak cork with tight permeability, e.g a natural cork closure, which is pretty much industry standard for both wine and beer.

A physical object is a barrier to oxygen seeping through from the world to the inside of the bottle. This physical object has particular features that will allow either more or less oxygen to seep through (density of the material, how porous it is, etc.) Cork by its very nature is considered impermeable, which is why it's used. But as it drys out, it does indeed shrink (although to be fair it seems shrinkage is exacerbated with temperature.*) This can allow oxygen in at a higher rate than a cork in better condition, hence why people keep wine (and lambic or other beers) on its side. The better the condition of the cork, the better the seal. It's less about elasticity and more about the degree of permeability. Dried out cork forms a less perfect seal.
























*source: Seinfeld, but also humidity of the cellar can play a part too. Lots of variables.

 

[64vdub]

Has anybody heard any early info on when the Boon Vat series boxed set may land in 'merica? Listening to the Belgiansmaak podcast with Frank Boone got me fired up.

 

[tosh1]

Damn
One the weirdest disagreements so far.

I love it

 

[quirk6]

Gaseous Clay really opened up a can of stupac2 with his comment.