Lambic Discussion Thread

[Digita7693]

Maastricht

Really? What bar? I used to frequent Maastricht often when I lived in aachen.

 

[Saind]

Really? What bar? I used to frequent Maastricht often when I lived in aachen.

A restaurant actually. Witloof

 

[coldstorage]

Did they start shipping west coast again?

Never stopped afaik, unless it was >4 years ago.
Belgiuminabox and belgianbeerz still do not ship to West Coast I believe.

 

[tosh1]

Never stopped afaik, unless it was >4 years ago.
Belgiuminabox and belgianbeerz still do not ship to West Coast I believe.

Aye, maybe it was Bbiab that would not deliver a few months back.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Not the worst price on that ZyF box. The Sherry stateside is around $100 for each bottle.

 

[Digita7693]

Not the worst price on that ZyF box. The Sherry stateside is around $100 for each bottle.

but then you'd be drinking sherry...

 

[regularjohn]

but then you'd be drinking sherry...

she's my sherry pie

 

[SeaWatchman]

but then you'd be drinking sherry...

I like Sherry.

shrug.ascii

 

[JulianB1]

she's my sherry pie

cool drink of lambic such a sour surprise

 

[Kasher]

Loerik 2.0!?!

Time to get out of beer. This is going to be an awful 3 years.



P.S. My chair's in line already.

 

[iamjeff6]

Loerik 2.0!?!

Time to get out of beer. This is going to be an awful 3 years.



P.S. My chair's in line already.

is too late to put up an ISO

 

[Kasher]

is too late to put up an ISO

I think you just missed it. You'll have to wait for 3.0.

This is all that's left.

 

[boogercrack]

**** by the time it's ready all the #newmoney will have moved onto dopplebocks or artisanal pickles or something entirely out of my wheelhouse.

 

[Abitker]

Not the worst price on that ZyF box. The Sherry stateside is around $100 for each bottle.

Tradicion makes very serious sherry.....are these the barrels they are using for Zenne?

 

[lazerviking]

**** by the time it's ready all the #newmoney will have moved onto dopplebocks or artisanal pickles or something entirely out of my wheelhouse.

I spent 3 or 4 years thinking that people would eventually move on to something else, but I've given up hope. Time to give up the ghost fellas.

 

[stupac2]

Is this Loerik talk based on anything?

 

[DCLA]

artisanal pickles

As far as I know, these don't give you diabeetus so they'll never be WhaleZ

 

[stakem1]

Is this Loerik talk based on anything?

Cantillon made a post on facespace aboot it and evem told peeps to calm their tits because we are looking at it making an appearance no sooner than 2020

 

[JCastle1]

Is this Loerik talk based on anything?

 

[JulianB1]

I spent 3 or 4 years thinking that people would eventually move on to something else, but I've given up hope. Time to give up the ghost fellas.

I foolishly believed the Ann b2 release a few years ago was going to be the pinnacle of the hysteria and that things were going to calm down on the other side of it. Oh to be young and naive...

 

[stupac2]

I foolishly believed the Ann b2 release a few years ago was going to be the pinnacle of the hysteria and that things were going to calm down on the other side of it. Oh to be young and naive...

I mean, yeah, of course it's going to be nuts, but at the same time there should be a ton of this. Loerik sat on shelves for years first go-around, so I don't think it was a particularly small batch. It only got rare because it was old, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was actually more of it around than most people think.

Unless there's something that creates artificial scarcity in the US (like on-site only) this shouldn't be any worse than 2014 Framboos, and even if it's not distributed to the US it'll be like Zenne or 2011 Framboos. Then again maybe I'm wrong about how much they'll make and SeaWatchman will school my ass.

 

[matedog]

Is Loerik basically just (Golden) Doesjel except they only made it once? (Edit: and different brewer, just trying to get what the hubbub is about)

 

[Cruize4Gueuze]

Is Loerik basically just (Golden) Doesjel except they only made it once? (Edit: and different brewer, just trying to get what the hubbub is about)

I think Doesjel is purposefully made to not carb whereas Loerik was a mistake that turned out great a couple years later when it began to ferment and carb. The only reason this is happening again is because the lambic isn't carbing like he wanted so he's hoping (and probably knows) it will carb up in a couple of years and be another loerik.

 

[stupac2]

If only there were some place you could go to learn about these beers...

(Looks like they're the same. FWIW I thought Loerik was significantly better than any Doesjel, but: 1) hypewhales bro; 2) it's way older.)

 

[matedog]

If only there were some place you could go to learn about these beers...

(Looks like they're the same. FWIW I thought Loerik was significantly better than any Doesjel, but: 1) hypewhales bro; 2) it's way older.)

Ha, yeah I actually consulted it to make sure my snarky-ish comment would be sort of accurate.

Glad to know it's not particularly different from regular Cantillon gueuze or Doesjel. Except that it apparently/possibly tastes great.

 

[JulianB1]

I mean, yeah, of course it's going to be nuts, but at the same time there should be a ton of this. Loerik sat on shelves for years first go-around, so I don't think it was a particularly small batch. It only got rare because it was old, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was actually more of it around than most people think.

Unless there's something that creates artificial scarcity in the US (like on-site only) this shouldn't be any worse than 2014 Framboos, and even if it's not distributed to the US it'll be like Zenne or 2011 Framboos. Then again maybe I'm wrong about how much they'll make and SeaWatchman will school my ass.

It's like I said a page or two ago, I think a lot of the people going nuts over this (on the Cantillon and Lambic.info FB pages) are doing so just because they want the illusion they are ticking some uber white whale, simply because the beer might end up having the same name and bottle art.

One thing this would be fun to do with if/when it's eventually released is to blind taste it with regular Cantillon gueuze bottled during the same year. Could provide insight on whether the stunted refermentation in the bottle has a real effect on the flavor or not.

 

[stupac2]

Ha, yeah I actually consulted it to make sure my snarky-ish comment would be sort of accurate.

Glad to know it's not particularly different from regular Cantillon gueuze or Doesjel. Except that it apparently/possibly tastes great.

It's entirely possible that Loerik was basically the same as Doesjel back when it was bottled. Whales weren't even a thing until it had been bottled for 10 years, so maybe it's time to check in on 2006 Doesjel?

The other difference between Loerik and Doesjel is that (from what I understand/experienced) Loerik is way more carbed. Doesjels have varied but are definitely close to flat, looking at pictures on Untappd of the two backs this up. I think that makes a difference, both in that flat beer is an acquired taste and bubbles help the flavor, plus it could (as Julian points out) indicate increased/different microbial activity.

Anyway, my opinion of this is that it's cool, but not a big deal.

 

[Abitker]

It's entirely possible that Loerik was basically the same as Doesjel back when it was bottled. Whales weren't even a thing until it had been bottled for 10 years, so maybe it's time to check in on 2006 Doesjel?

The other difference between Loerik and Doesjel is that (from what I understand/experienced) Loerik is way more carbed. Doesjels have varied but are definitely close to flat, looking at pictures on Untappd of the two backs this up. I think that makes a difference, both in that flat beer is an acquired taste and bubbles help the flavor, plus it could (as Julian points out) indicate increased/different microbial activity.

Anyway, my opinion of this is that it's cool, but not a big deal.

06 Doesjel was beautiful when I had one a couple months back.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Tradicion makes very serious sherry.....are these the barrels they are using for Zenne?

Yep. Have banged. Very good.

Unless there's something that creates artificial scarcity in the US (like on-site only) this shouldn't be any worse than 2014 Framboos, and even if it's not distributed to the US it'll be like Zenne or 2011 Framboos. Then again maybe I'm wrong about how much they'll make and SeaWatchman will school my ass.

I mean, if it's an entire bottling run for a gueuze blend one could presume that there's a lot. But Jean isn't dumb, and he knows what he has so there's a million ways it could go.

Is Loerik basically just (Golden) Doesjel except they only made it once? (Edit: and different brewer, just trying to get what the hubbub is about)

I think Doesjel is purposefully made to not carb whereas Loerik was a mistake that turned out great a couple years later when it began to ferment and carb. The only reason this is happening again is because the lambic isn't carbing like he wanted so he's hoping (and probably knows) it will carb up in a couple of years and be another loerik.

There are unconfirmed rumors that Doesjel is intentionally blended to be flat, but I don't buy it. I asked Armand once if the Golden Doesjels would have been labeled as Golden Blends if they hard carbed and the answer was yes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you don't "make" a lazy gueuze, it just kind of makes itself.

 

[stupac2]

I mean, if it's an entire bottling run for a gueuze blend one could presume that there's a lot. But Jean isn't dumb, and he knows what he has so there's a million ways it could go.

At the same time, every non-distributed beer of his that I can think of has been sold on-site only (the various grape blends), to-go but only at Cantillon (50N), or at specific bars (Blabaer, Zwanze sort of) or some combination. It seems to me that, whenever this does come out, it'll be one of:

1) Release at least the size of a typical seasonal, sees typical international distribution.
2) Release at least the size of a special beer like 50N, sold to-go at Cantillon at low limits.
3) Release at least the size of a typical Zwanze, served as/alongside Zwanze (though presumably being bottles only would make serving as Zwanze tricky).
4) Release about the size of a typical special grape blend, on-site only at Cantillon.

Any of those could turn into shitshows, and if it's 3 or 4 then whatever bottles do leak out will obviously be highly coveted, but plenty of people will be able to try it. Of course, he could do something entirely different, who knows! It would be neat if it was like Framboos 2011 and sold at a release party.