Lambic Discussion Thread

[Gonzoillini1]

Anyone else have a good chuckle at the slap fight that Karel and Pierre are having / had on Facebook?

Here is the TL : DR of the conversation




Karel Goddeau
20 hrs ·
Geuze on draft , Geuze v h vat is ******** , consumenten bedrog.

Pierre Tilquin Karel, why am I deceiving consumers? The process is clear and explained on my website. I use a blend of 50% 1-year-old Meerts, 10% 1-year lambic, and 40% 2-year-old lambic. Everything is spontaneously refermented in kegs for 4 months minimum and most of the time 6 months. There is no added yeast, there is no forced carbonation. Sometimes I use a little bit of sugar. This gueuze on draft is a lighter version of my gueuze on bottle. It has never been announced as Oude Gueuze Tilquin. It is called Gueuze Tilquin - Draft Version 5.3%, and it has a different logo. It is like a session gueuze to give an introduction to the more complex gueuze on bottle. My core business is the bottle and it will always be. The draft beers are only 30% of my volume of production, Stout Rullquin included. I don't know why you have to keep complaining about that and keep criticizing what colleagues do. Try to produce on yourself as much bottles as you can, I am pretty sure you will have no problem to sell any volume, as long as quality and prices are ok.

And about another 90+ comments.

And I thought only American brewers (and Mikkel / Jeppe) got into internet arguments...

 

[Digita7693]

Anyone else have a good chuckle at the slap fight that Karel and Pierre are having / had on Facebook?

Here is the TL : DR of the conversation




Karel Goddeau
20 hrs ·
Geuze on draft , Geuze v h vat is ******** , consumenten bedrog.

Pierre Tilquin Karel, why am I deceiving consumers? The process is clear and explained on my website. I use a blend of 50% 1-year-old Meerts, 10% 1-year lambic, and 40% 2-year-old lambic. Everything is spontaneously refermented in kegs for 4 months minimum and most of the time 6 months. There is no added yeast, there is no forced carbonation. Sometimes I use a little bit of sugar. This gueuze on draft is a lighter version of my gueuze on bottle. It has never been announced as Oude Gueuze Tilquin. It is called Gueuze Tilquin - Draft Version 5.3%, and it has a different logo. It is like a session gueuze to give an introduction to the more complex gueuze on bottle. My core business is the bottle and it will always be. The draft beers are only 30% of my volume of production, Stout Rullquin included. I don't know why you have to keep complaining about that and keep criticizing what colleagues do. Try to produce on yourself as much bottles as you can, I am pretty sure you will have no problem to sell any volume, as long as quality and prices are ok.

And about another 90+ comments.

And I thought only American brewers (and Mikkel / Jeppe) got into internet arguments...

I like Sebastian's, Freigeist, additions to the conversation lol. If you know him at all, you know probably 90% of what he says is a joke.

Also cute from the guy who can't even label (or doesn't care about which date) his bottles correctly. If we want to talk about actually deceiving customers.

 

[Maakun]

Also cute from the guy who can't even label (or doesn't care about which date) his bottles correctly. If we want to talk about actually deceiving customers.

Well, you say that, but that 2009 Framboise I had recently tasted very bright for a almost 10yo beer.

Anyway, I know Pierre can say a lot of stuff about other lambic producers, but he doesn't, which makes him the bigger person in my book.

 

[beerindex]

Also cute from the guy who can't even label (or doesn't care about which date) his bottles correctly. If we want to talk about actually deceiving customers.

For the benefit of those of us not quite in the loop, can you expand on that please?

 

[Gonzoillini1]

For the benefit of those of us not quite in the loop, can you expand on that please?

Every De Cam bottle from the past few years has had a 2009 label on it, and before that he was using 2003 labels for what seemed like 10 years.

 

[Digita7693]

Every De Cam bottle from the past few years has had a 2009 label on it, and before that he was using 2003 labels for what seemed like 10 years.

beerindex exactly this.
So, if we are talking deception, Karel should probably stop throwing stones in glass houses. I also find it ridiculous to accuse Pierre of ever trying to deceive people with his beer, nor do I think the vast majority of those drinking are confused by what they are drinking. It's just a petulant post by Karel, maybe he's on beer, drinking a bunch of freshly bottle 2009 lambic.

 

[beerindex]

Every De Cam bottle from the past few years has had a 2009 label on it, and before that he was using 2003 labels for what seemed like 10 years.

Makes perfect sense. I always just assumed it was old stock lingering around because the high prices and comparatively modest name recognition meant that the demand was significantly more modest for standard range products than the equivalent lambics from 3F and Cantillon.

 

[Pneill3161]

I will drink draft Tilquin over basically every other draft beer out there. I guess I’ve been deceived into thinking it taste good. I don’t want to live in that other world.

 

[JCastle1]

I will drink draft Tilquin over basically every other draft beer out there. I guess I’ve been deceived into thinking it taste good. I don’t want to live in that other world.

Draft Quetsche too mmmm

 

[Gonzoillini1]

I will drink draft Tilquin over basically every other draft beer out there. I guess I’ve been deceived into thinking it taste good. I don’t want to live in that other world.

I remember drinking "batch 1" of draft Tilquin Draft at Local Option side by side with the bottled 2010 / 2011 and we were split on which one we liked better. I never thought (even as a stupid American) that the draft version was the exact same "gueuze" as the bottles, but still appreciated the chance to try to a blended Lambic on draft in America for a fair price (which was delicious by the way).

I mostly brought up this topic as I was genuinely surprised by the amount of apparent vitriol between lambic producers who I (naively) thought were kind of an "all for one" group (even knowing the HORAL arguments).

 

[Digita7693]

I remember drinking "batch 1" of draft Tilquin Draft at Local Option side by side with the bottled 2010 / 2011 and we were split on which one we liked better. I never thought (even as a stupid American) that the draft version was the exact same "gueuze" as the bottles, but still appreciated the chance to try to a blended Lambic on draft in America for a fair price (which was delicious by the way).

I mostly brought up this topic as I was genuinely surprised by the amount of apparent vitriol between lambic producers who I (naively) thought were kind of an "all for one" group (even knowing the HORAL arguments).

I know Armand, Jean, and Pierre get along quite well. However, I just recently learned that Karel can be a churlish ass and attack others.

3F have repeatedly said they will never ship out kegs (yes it’s at 3F and 3F restaurant) bc it should not be done, but you don’t see them attacking Cantillon or Tilquin and accusing them of deceiving people.

I don’t even know what Karel was trying to accomplish with that post aside from spreading vitriol and turning people against him. Only thought is that he broke the rule of drinking and posting as a business owner.

 

[SeaWatchman]

3F have repeatedly said they will never ship out kegs (yes it’s at 3F and 3F restaurant

The only kegs of 3F are the Beersel lager/blonde/zwet. The lambic is always just in a plastic jug for hand pumping. The amount of times I’ve had the kegs discussion with them is crazy.

 

[Shrimp Store]

This weekend a bar near me has Bruocsella in keg for $15 (cira $11USD pint).

 

[Dbijnagte]

The Honey A&G is up again on Etre, limit 6. Also have Vat 109 left.

 

[coldstorage]

I cant cart anything at Etre. Get a line w/ a circle through it when I go over add to cart button.
I guess it's a sign.

edit: I can cart beer, just not Fantome shirt in any size even though they all show as in stock =(

 

[LukeAleTime]

This weekend a bar near me has Bruocsella in keg for $15 (cira $11USD pint).

Wait, $15 a pint? Which bar?

 

[Shrimp Store]

Wait, $15 a pint? Which bar?

Belgian Beer Cafe in Perth are celebrating Belgian National Day.

 

[Gaseous Clay]

Belgian Beer Cafe in Perth are celebrating Belgian National Day.

If LukeAleTime leaves now he can probably make it in time

 

[LukeAleTime]

If LukeAleTime leaves now he can probably make it in time

I'll be there in November. Shrimp Store pls save me some?

(also wanna hang for Perth Beer Week? We'll be over there podcasting or mooching about with an event or something)

 

[Digita7693]

Cross posting this from the Brews thread because I thought some of you might be interested.

Cheers

 

[sunnrider]

JvR doesn´t ever forget his friends. Digs around for rar **** and gives it away for a good cause, that´s what it should all be about.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

Cross posting this from the Brews thread because I thought some of you might be interested.

Cheers

JvR seems like the most down to earth dude, love that he supports the organization / cause and seems like he generally cares about **** besides making extra $$$.

Refreshing to see in the brewing world circa 2018...

 

[Digita7693]

JvR seems like the most down to earth dude, love that he supports the organization / cause and seems like he generally cares about **** besides making extra $$$.

Refreshing to see in the brewing world circa 2018...

Our supporters abroad, nationally, and locally are amazing and really go all out! The support from the beer community in general is just beautiful. All the attendees, breweries and blenderies, the volunteers. It is what has taken this from a 1 day event that raised $17,000 7 years ago, to 3 days and $240,000 last year.

Excited for you all to see some of the other items this year. 3F has something very very exciting too!

 

[steinbbr]

Has anyone purchased 10L lambic boxes from Girardin before or more important recently? If it’s possible I’d like to pick some up on my next trip and any info would be appreciated.

 

[Pneill3161]

Has anyone purchased 10L lambic boxes from Girardin before or more important recently? If it’s possible I’d like to pick some up on my next trip and any info would be appreciated.

What are you using this 10L box for? Drinking? Blending? I haven’t bought one in the last 5 years, but before that it wasn’t the best straight drinking lambic. Blending wise, it was straight gold and seemed to be the magic ingredient to turn a few blended lambic into some nice gueuze. Though I figured/hope they would fill up basically any lambic/barrel you like at the spot.

 

[wuntrikpony]

Blending wise, it was straight gold and seemed to be the magic ingredient to turn a few blended lambic into some nice gueuze.

Truth...the stuff you brought up to the TB anniversary party was amazing.

 

[Gaseous Clay]

First time trying this blend. Quite good, and I like it a fair bit more than regular stout rullquin. Dark fruits, leather, oak, and a nice chocolate/mocha finish. A bit vinegary but only faintly so. Looking forward to revisiting this.

 

[Saind]

Has anyone purchased 10L lambic boxes from Girardin before or more important recently? If it’s possible I’d like to pick some up on my next trip and any info would be appreciated.

Picked one up last week.

"Cubi" is bag in box

 

[Saind]

What are you using this 10L box for? Drinking? Blending? I haven’t bought one in the last 5 years, but before that it wasn’t the best straight drinking lambic. Blending wise, it was straight gold and seemed to be the magic ingredient to turn a few blended lambic into some nice gueuze. Though I figured/hope they would fill up basically any lambic/barrel you like at the spot.

The box I have in the fridge right now is great for drinking. Almost felt bad blending away half of it.

 

[steinbbr]

What are you using this 10L box for? Drinking? Blending? I haven’t bought one in the last 5 years, but before that it wasn’t the best straight drinking lambic. Blending wise, it was straight gold and seemed to be the magic ingredient to turn a few blended lambic into some nice gueuze. Though I figured/hope they would fill up basically any lambic/barrel you like at the spot.

I plan on using it to condition a barrel and for blending, good to know I won’t be tempted to drink it. Since I’ll be bringing this home on the plane I really need a sealed light weight container. The 10 L box would be my preference.