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With the top and accessories removed, a stainless bucket fermenter isn't heavy. I wonder about the weight of conicals, especially the jacketed ones.
I am going to weigh mine as I put it together later. Right not, stripped without lid and any fittings but with the neoprene and heater pad it is 18 lb. Brewbuilt X2 7 gallons, no extra legs, no wheels.
 
My 8 gallon is ~ 85 lbs

On regards to cleaning, I brew and ferment in the garage. I hook up a 10 foot hose to the bottom drain (1.5"!) and discharge into the yard. With my frequency of brewing it just integrates naturally.
I think you missed the decimal point?

Mods can delete this if it gets corrected from 85 lbs!
 
In my youtube searches, I have seen that option. The best thing about one of those is easier to pick up and dump for cleaning into my too small sink than the bucket/conicals would be - hence the desire for bottom drain on those. Assume you could figure out a thermowell for controlling temps somehow.. I can search that. Or tape the temp probe to the side under a blanket or something. I'll take another look there.

Is the 6.5 gallon good enough considering active krausen/foaming? I suppose there's ways to mitigate that.. fermtabs or under pressure.
Depending on the recipe - a 6.5 g should be able to handle a 5 g batch to the fermenter. Might wanna use some foam "chill" drops. Can't recall the name. Been doing 5 g in 6.5 corny with no problems but all lower ABV recipes (5.5% or less).
 
I am going to weigh mine as I put it together later. Right not, stripped without lid and any fittings but with the neoprene and heater pad it is 18 lb. Brewbuilt X2 7 gallons, no extra legs, no wheels.
With the bottom fittings on- 30.6 lbs This includes an elbow and sight glass which are 34 oz. Also thermowell, racking cane, and gas stone.
Lid and band-69 oz
Two valves on lid, blowoff-100 oz
coil-56oz
Total 46.4 lbs

That's an idea on the weights, a bit dependent on model but ballpark figures.

I keep my X2s on a table. To clean, I take off the lid. Then I lift it down (30.6 lbs) to the floor and cleaned from there. Clean I put the stripped conical back on the table (18.0 lbs) and reassemble. I pump in the wort and mostly gravity drain the beer with some CO2 into kegs. I wouldn't want to wrestle it around full of wort at all.
 
stripped conical back on the table (18.0 lbs)
So, it could be a mere 18 pounds to carry to the sink except you gotta keep the bottom fittings (elbow, butterfly valve) on, so a bit more weight semi-stripped. Not so heavy that CIP is necessary, yes?
wrestle it around full
I understand. Moving full glass fermenters was ordinary for me until I got a Spike Flex+. Now I only carry full kegs (and the empty fermenter.)
 
I think you missed the decimal point?

Mods can delete this if it gets corrected from 85 lbs!
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Oh, I thought you were referring to your Brew Bucket! Ok but that's the shipping weight, also useful to the OP but not the actual weight. SS Brewtech states a weight of 32lbs for a Chronical 2 assembled (7 gallon). Is that the Chronical you have? SS Brewtech provides a fair number of accessories too but I would say that's still a little underestimated. If you have a decent human scale you could weigh you while holding the conical and then without. The X2 feet just fit on mine and then I was able to weigh parts on my grain scale.

My mini-bucket (4 gallon) I haven't weighed but a super-easy cleanup, small, light, fits in the sink. Brew Bucket 2 they say is 11 lbs and 15"x15". So about the same height as my mini and 4" wider diameter, but the Classic shows different 12.5" width x 20.5" height, no weight.
 
So, it could be a mere 18 pounds to carry to the sink except you gotta keep the bottom fittings (elbow, butterfly valve) on, so a bit more weight semi-stripped. Not so heavy that CIP is necessary, yes?

I understand. Moving full glass fermenters was ordinary for me until I got a Spike Flex+. Now I only carry full kegs (and the empty fermenter.)
Yes, it could be just 18lbs to the sink. I can handle mine fine at 30.6 and will be soaking it freestanding. I could clean in the sink with it standing up technically but it's easier in the driveway. Plus my fermentation control panel is a short distance directly across from the sink which is a pinchpoint walking through. If you click my profile then the Media tab, that's my current setup. Sink is out of sight left. (It's a basic plastic laundry sink w/a demo'ed bathroom vanity next to it. Butt-ugly and always a disaster area!) Using an extra hose and ball lock jumper to pump wort from far right BK to the leftmost fermenter and the ones between. Package to kegs, take the fermenter lid off. Move X2 to floor, soak in driveway. Strip remaining fittings, wash in sink. Stripped fermenter back on table, reassemble X2. The 14 gallon is on wheels and leg extensions. Too big for my sink! I am only just brewing my first batch now in it. I'm not trying to push a conical here either, just providing a detailed example for comparison.
 
I forgot I meant to weigh the neoprene and stick on heating pad. I had a heating pad fail and removed it. Those two weigh 1lb 13 so stripped is 16lb 3oz if not using both.
 
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"There are almost as many ways to brew as there are Homebrewers."
I'm disabled and have to adhere to some pretty strict ergonomics and even then I tend to do things that my body should not be doing...one of the things is handling heavy loads. My favourite fermenters are my Fermonsters and Sankes. Like in @Hunky 's picture, I have a smallish laundry sink that I do many brewing tasks in....to the left of mine is my washing machine and I've taken my full-sized and heavy all steel 15.5G sanke, set it on a sponge pad on my washing machine, poured sterilized water in and swished it around to tilt it over and harvest yeast in a pitcher in the laundry tub, and then proceded to wash it out with a hose (followed by PBW soak and more rinsing) in the laundry tub. My physical bar is very low so if I can do it, most others can.
.....just sayin'...but I think we've given the OP a dizzying array of options!
My personal recommendation is still: Start Cheap and see what you can do (with my own bias toward sanke's with no extra attachment other than a head with a floating diptube) and see how you feel with it. (Biased side note: Poly top/bottom kegs are really lightwieght and easy to handle.)
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Oh, I thought you were referring to your Brew Bucket! Ok but that's the shipping weight, also useful to the OP but not the actual weight. SS Brewtech states a weight of 32lbs for a Chronical 2 assembled (7 gallon). Is that the Chronical you have?
I’ll let SHO answer the question if he wants to but he’s not inflating the weight of his fermenter. The shipping weight is the actual weight of the unit, it’s an incredibly well built pro-level product. FYI the 10 gallon size is 158lbs which is why I made the earlier comment about some conicals approaching 200lbs when they are all kitted out with multiple butterfly valves, stainless blowoff tube, PRV etc. It’s great to see that the consumer grade stuff is lighter though, that allows a lot more flexibility in cleaning etc.
 
I’ll let SHO answer the question if he wants to but he’s not inflating the weight of his fermenter. The shipping weight is the actual weight of the unit, it’s an incredibly well built pro-level product. FYI the 10 gallon size is 158lbs which is why I made the earlier comment about some conicals approaching 200lbs when they are all kitted out with multiple butterfly valves, stainless blowoff tube, PRV etc. It’s great to see that the consumer grade stuff is lighter though, that allows a lot more flexibility in cleaning etc.
Shoengine mentioned to me in an older private message that he has a Brew Bucket and Chronical. The wording in the post he responded to made me think it was the Bucket weight, but rereading I see it was the conical he was referring to.

Now these are the actual specs from the SS Brewtech page on the Chronical 2. I am only guessing that 85lb is the suggested conservative shipping weight but I don't know the exact model and accessories. I'll weigh my SS Bretech 14 gallon 1.0 unitank when it's done fermenting. It's for 10 gallon batches. I am doubtful it is over 100 lbs even with wheels. leg extensions, and accessories.
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"There are almost as many ways to brew as there are Homebrewers."
I'm disabled and have to adhere to some pretty strict ergonomics and even then I tend to do things that my body should not be doing...one of the things is handling heavy loads. My favourite fermenters are my Fermonsters and Sankes. Like in @Hunky 's picture, I have a smallish laundry sink that I do many brewing tasks in....to the left of mine is my washing machine and I've taken my full-sized and heavy all steel 15.5G sanke, set it on a sponge pad on my washing machine, poured sterilized water in and swished it around to tilt it over and harvest yeast in a pitcher in the laundry tub, and then proceded to wash it out with a hose (followed by PBW soak and more rinsing) in the laundry tub. My physical bar is very low so if I can do it, most others can.
.....just sayin'...but I think we've given the OP a dizzying array of options!
My personal recommendation is still: Start Cheap and see what you can do (with my own bias toward sanke's with no extra attachment other than a head with a floating diptube) and see how you feel with it. (Biased side note: Poly top/bottom kegs are really lightwieght and easy to handle.)
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I've been looking at many reviews of many different things. One thing I've been thinking about is yeast harvesting and how to do it with a bucket type. With the Anvil bucket's racking arm nearly to the bottom of the tank it seems it would be easy. Not having to worry about 1.5" or 2" dump valves. So hearing how you do it is interesting. Oxidation not a problem with that method I suppose? I'm also not sure how often I would yeast harvest.

the sanke keg idea is appealing, but I'm just not drinking enough for 10 gallon batches. I have several 15 gallon kegs in stock.. one set up to do fermenting, but just don't do it. Looking around online for a 1/4 barrel keg, I would still be spending upwards of $300 plus just for the keg (and shipping) before I start in with fittings. Keeping an eye out for cheaper. It is rather fun (and frustrating) to be thinking of this stuff.

My current setup works. I can pressure transfer (though no racking arm - have to tilt the fermenter - no biggy). I'll definitely be doing some more batches with it before getting stainless. I cobbled together a rough fermentation chamber with foam just to keep the electricity use down when keeping the temp in the 60's F. I have to huff it into the chest freezer to cold crash, though I could think about a cooling coil thru a different lid.. but that's getting a bit crowded.

One minute I'm going to go for a bucket.. next a conical.. and back again. Still enjoying seeing the comments.. as you say.. many options to think about.

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One minute I'm going to go for a bucket.. next a conical.. and back again. Still enjoying seeing the comments.. as you say.. many options to think about.
Something about how you wrote that reminded me so much of why I like the Spike Flex +. I’ve got bigger fancier conicals but I really think the flex hits the sweet spot for price, functionality, weight, features etc. I have read that the old lid seals were a little difficult but I have the newer seal and have never had a problem with mine. The only negative is the lack of a bottom dump valve but a lot of people with conicals never use that anyway. As you mentioned earlier there are even other ways to harvest yeast. Yes you need a bottom valve for CIP, but you don’t need CIP with something light and small enough to lift into a sink and clean with a 2 minute sponge wash. I know Spike has them in their bargain cave from time to time and they come up used a lot in the $4-600 range. Maybe a private sale from the lower 48 with shipping is a possibility?
 
Shoengine mentioned to me in an older private message that he has a Brew Bucket and Chronical. The wording in the post he responded to made me think it was the Bucket weight, but rereading I see it was the conical he was referring to.

Now these are the actual specs from the SS Brewtech page on the Chronical 2. I am only guessing that 85lb is the suggested conservative shipping weight but I don't know the exact model and accessories. I'll weigh my SS Bretech 14 gallon 1.0 unitank when it's done fermenting. It's for 10 gallon batches. I am doubtful it is over 100 lbs even with wheels. leg extensions, and accessories.
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Ah, I was wondering where that came from. I do have those but I also have a Brewers Hardware 8 gal. Cleaning is a cinch but without a drain is a bit more onerous. CIP would be great but would probably take me than the 15 minutes it takes me to clean currently.

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Cleaning configuration. Note the CO2 for knocking out the trub plug.

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7 gal on the left (25lbs in cleaning configuration), 8 gal on right (87 lbs in cleaning configuration, with the jacket full of coolant)

I love this thing but the brew bucket was one of the best upgrades I ever had (coming from glass).
 
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Ah, I was wondering where that came from. I do have those but I also have a Brewers Hardware 8 gal. Cleaning is a cinch but without a drain is a bit more onerous. CIP would be great but would probably take me than the 15 minutes it takes me to clean currently.

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Cleaning configuration. Note the CO2 for knocking out the trub plug.

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7 gal on the left (25lbs in cleaning configuration), 8 gal on right (87 lbs in cleaning configuration)

I love this thing but the brew bucket was one of the best upgrades I ever had (coming from glass).
Aha and one of those too. OK got it!!

I like the minibucket and can do much of what I can in the unitank with the TC port on it. I think perhaps the price has gotten a bit high on the Brew Bucket Pro but the classic is priced $100 less and can often be found used.

Flex + I liked that it has additional TC ports vs what I saw with the regular Flex. I was going to look it up as far as a dump port but I see @Whisky River addressed that and getting it in the sink. The legs on mine X2 place it a bit high in the sink with the rim about the top bend of my faucet sprayer. If you look close, there's a bar holding the sprayer head. The faucet is like a restaurant sprayer but not as long or tall. That bar also gets in the way but I like the sprayer head. Working in the sink, something with shorter legs or base could be a plus depending on your faucet.

I did like the original choice of the Fermtank. I bank yeast by overbuilding my starters instead of collecting it post fermentation but I do dump trub and dry hops. I use a TC screen on my tracking arm but NEIPA's I have been working on cold crashing and clearing some hops out through the dump port. Still a work in process. There are floating dip tube transfer options as well. A small diameter racking arm might clog harvesting yeast. You can apply a small amount of CO2 to avoid oxidation. You might blast it out with a tank so something like a Cold Crash Guardian might work a little calmer.
 
A friend just got one of these. I don't know if Vevor will ship your way, but it appears to be built by the folks that built my SS Brewbucket. I don't know about parts support , but its a hell of deal for $168. https://www.vevor.com/beer-brewing-...slprRASznrsW0yGi_IFYakOMHkrBGqMhoCI6sQAvD_BwE
I have a friend here that has a couple Vevors. They ship free from Amazon to here.. for around $168. The Anvil bucket ships for around $220 plus (186 plus 24 shipping plus sales tax) - sometimes if watched, one can find perhaps a bit cheaper deals. I wasn't sure about the quality of the Vevor.. thinking it was a knockoff. But if built by SS, then perhaps it is in the running. 3/4" bottom drain.. have to probably spray hose it and get the trub in suspension before draining it thru that.. or else tip it to the sink or driveway. One caveat:
Q:
I want to be able to do closed transfer to a keg. is there a connector available? Will the unit support 2 PSI?
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It can be transferred to a small bucket through a valve, but it is not pressure-resistant.
By vevor on Aug 03, 2024
 
I like the minibucket and can do much of what I can in the unitank with the TC port on it. I think perhaps the price has gotten a bit high on the Brew Bucket Pro but the classic is priced $100 less and can often be found used.

Flex + I liked that it has additional TC ports vs what I saw with the regular Flex.

I did like the original choice of the Fermtank. I bank yeast by overbuilding my starters instead of collecting it post fermentation but I do dump trub and dry hops. A small diameter racking arm might clog harvesting yeast. You can apply a small amount of CO2 to avoid oxidation. You might blast it out with a tank so something like a Cold Crash Guardian might work a little calmer.
I do have a good floating dip tube setup but haven't used it yet.. and I have the Cold Crash Guardian. I usually just pour my dry yeast into the wort, but your method could get me doing starters. I'm usually a bit afraid of shippng liquid yeast up here.. you should see what happens to chocolate bars if shipped in the summer, or back when wine clubs would ship here (they used UPS which worked but switched to FedEx which doesn't - they won't ship here anymore). Pic shows corks forced out by freezing I guess.

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why I like the Spike Flex +
Just seconding everything @Whisky River said.

Especially after reading how heavy some conicals are, I'm happy I chose the Flex+. A bucket with most features of a conical. Price ain't cheap (esp. with the almost essential gas manifold bundle), but corresponds to its function/features.
 
... I suppose a 1.5" drain would suit that since during cleaning I could use my spray hose to break up the trub before opening the valve. For that matter, a 3/4" on some of the buckets would work for that. But.. I could still dump in my sink with a bucket or whatever if careful. The sink drain uses a submerged pump to get the water/gunk up to the house drain level.

As for yeast collection.. I've done that a few times. Not a big deal for me, but I haven't really grown much as a brewer. Hoping to do more. Mostly I've done a couple IPA's, lots of stouts and porters, and brown ales. The US-05 and 04 have been go-to's.. not much experimenting yet. I've just moved from 3 kettle to BIAB, and have only gone through 4 brews on that so far.

Cooling: presently it is 42 degrees outside now and I brew in a basement that is usually that temp. So for fermentation I've only had to heat. I have a terrarium heating pad setup with temp control. Cooling so far has only been for cold crashing.. I take the serving kegs out of my chest freezer kegerator, put in the fermenter, and drop the temp in the freezer. Kind of a big lift for an old guy, so was thinking of rigging up a cooling line from that freezer to maybe coils inside the fermenter.. though for cold crashing I've heard various success/nonsuccess stories.

/jd
You'll be fine with a 1.5" bottom port.
I have that with a 3/4" ball valve. The ball valve is the choke point, a 1.5" butterfly would solve that.
I routinely dump trub at roughly two days and then as fermentation subsides I am able to harvest yeast, even with a 5/8" hose nipple on the valve.
It comes out like a 5/8" bead of cream colored toothpaste.
My bad it's been a while since I built that. The hose nipple is 3/4" NPT to hose nipple that measures a 11/16" ID.
The only time I had difficulty was when I waited too long to dump the trub, it was a slow start.
 
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With the top and accessories removed, a stainless bucket fermenter isn't heavy. I wonder about the weight of conicals, especially the jacketed ones.
For me the weight of the conical isn't an issue, I haven't weighed it but I don't think it is much heavier than a empty corny keg and I think it's lighter than a glass carboy, maybe I should weigh it. Mine is a 7 gal. SS Brewtech, with no jacket, basically what I would call their "intro" version.
The challenge of moving it is more due to the physical structure of it with stuff sticking out all over, and I do fault them on their handles that are basically just metal bails with no padding. That combined with the weight of 6.5 gal. of beer makes it a challenge to carry up or down stairs. But it still is safer than a glass carboy aside from the potential injury from a fall.
I brew in the garage and ferment in the basement.
 
A five gallon cornelius keg weighs about 9 lbs and a slim quarter keg weighs about 22 lbs according to Kegworks.

A 1/2 barrel weighs 30 lbs empty. A keggle would weigh a little less but typically the rim is left and it is just the very top cut out.
I weighed my 1/4 slim. No ball lock adapter or any accessories. 18.7lbs. so twice the weight as a corny. Still very manageable while empty compared to other options. Just sucks to lift when full 😭
 
I asked SS Brewtech for a shipping estimate on their gear. Since I assume free shipping for the contiguous states is subsidized by an increase in price.. I also asked if I could get a small rebate on the prices. This has worked for me once or twice.. but not this time. His shippng is
Chronical: $281.96
Brew Bucket: $166.16

I've priced a few outfits for the Spike Flex+ and with shipping that ranges around $600.. a few dollars less. Of course for $100 more, I could get a Delta Fermtank Pro shipped. Not worried about the 1.5" dump port. But the Spike may be all I need. Still pondering.

I talked with the friend who has the Vevor tank.. he said it will hold enough pressure for racking.. 1 to 2 psi, but he uses gravity with a CO2 line up top to keep out the oxygen. It works for him. I asked him to talk me out of a conical and he said the opposite.
 
I asked SS Brewtech for a shipping estimate on their gear. Since I assume free shipping for the contiguous states is subsidized by an increase in price.. I also asked if I could get a small rebate on the prices. This has worked for me once or twice.. but not this time. His shippng is
Chronical: $281.96
Brew Bucket: $166.16

I've priced a few outfits for the Spike Flex+ and with shipping that ranges around $600.. a few dollars less. Of course for $100 more, I could get a Delta Fermtank Pro shipped. Not worried about the 1.5" dump port. But the Spike may be all I need. Still pondering.

I talked with the friend who has the Vevor tank.. he said it will hold enough pressure for racking.. 1 to 2 psi, but he uses gravity with a CO2 line up top to keep out the oxygen. It works for him. I asked him to talk me out of a conical and he said the opposite.
When I make purchases, even small ones, I look at the overall costs (including shipping) along with the stability of the company.
By my criteria the Delta Fermtank Pro looks like the top contender.
 
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