Is This Right?

[KEITH27]

im gonna brew my first all grain in the morning and i went to the local brew shop and heres the list he gave me...

#1heat 3 gallons to 160 degrees
#2then mix in quart of grain quart of water so on so on
#3stir untill i get it about 152 degrees then seal up the tun for 60 minutes pour 1 quart of wort out into a pitcher then pour it back into grain bed
#4after it clears start collecting into brew pot
#5collect 3 quarts per minute
#6heat sparging water up to 180 during mash
#7leave always 2-3 inches of water on top of grainbed
#7sparge for 60-90 minutes

were im a little confused is i was lookin at dennybrew and if im rite it says open the spout and drain as fast as possible the guy at the shop said keep it about a quart for minute..

so if i keep it at a quart per minute i can see sparging for 60-90 minutes but if i drain it as fast as it will go it shouldnt take that much time am i correct??

 

[BrewinJack]

umm if you new to this you might try this

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/easy-stovetop-all-grain-brewing-pics-90132/

it works wonders and its really easy

Cheers

 

[remilard]

The instructions you were given are not particularly thorough and are for fly sparging. The instructions on Denny's site are for batch sparging.

 

[KEITH27]

"Is This Rite?"

Nope

"Is This Right?"

That's right...hey someone was gonna do it.

wasnt really looking for spelling lesson buddy i was asking a legit ?? but thanx SMART GUY

 

[Yooper]

wasnt really looking for spelling lesson buddy i was asking a legit ?? but thanx SMART GUY

I understand your irritation, but to be honest, I couldn't even read it so I didn't respond. I'm sure that someone else will, though.

I'm older, and have a hard time reading "text speak".

 

[KEITH27]

The instructions you were given are not particularly thorough and are for fly sparging. The instructions on Denny's site are for batch sparging.

heres what i got goin is i made a tun and all that jazz and i wanna use it.. im gonna do a 5 gallon batch since this is my first time i was gonna do it in the a.m. i just wanna make sure it is gonna be rite or at least close lol he helped me get my grains and told me how he does it but i read so many different things because everyone does it different i just wanna make sure im on the RIGHT track

 

[KEITH27]

I understand your irritation, but to be honest, I couldn't even read it so I didn't respond. I'm sure that someone else will, though.

I'm older, and have a hard time reading "text speak".

hmmm im not sure i undersatnd the text talk but im not irritated i thought i asked a legit ?? hoping to get some help but i got a spelling correction hahaha which is fine but he could of at least helped me after he slammed me

 

[Yooper]

hmmm im not sure i undersatnd the text talk but im not irritated i thought i asked a legit ?? hoping to get some help but i got a spelling correction hahaha which is fine but he could of at least helped me after he slammed me

I'm saying I don't think he meant to slam you!

I tried to understand what you were asking- I really did. But I am older, and have trouble reading/understanding shortcuts and sentences without words. Like ?? means question- I get that. But it doesn't make sense to an older person trying to read it, without punctuation, etc.

I'm not trying to criticize you at all- I'm just trying to explain why some of the "seasoned" members may not respond. It's very hard to understand (to me and my age group) what it is that you are asking. I'll read your question again and see if I'm smart enough to "get it" this time.

 

[Shonuff]

We are just having good fun with you my Michigan friend.

You instructions sound okay. You may want to run your strike water temp through a program like Beersmith (as it will account for temp of grain and other factors).

You also may want to post your recipe so we can look at your water to grain ratio, etc.

The 2-3 inches of water above your grain bed sounds like the instructions were for fly sparging. Do you know if you are fly or batch sparging?

 

[Nurmey]

Keith, no one is slamming you, it's just hard to read when there is no capitalization or punctuation. Top that with spelling errors and us old folks have a hard time reading it.

You might want to read the link below. I found it very helpful because of the concise, step by step instructions. It's a site from one of the HBT gurus.

All Grain

 

[Yooper]

im gonna brew my first a.g in the am and i went to the local brew shop and heres the list he gave me

heat 3 gal to 160
then mix in quart of grain quart of water so on so on
stir untill i get it about 152 then seal up the tun
pour 1 quart of wort out into a pitcher then pour it back into grain bed
after it clears start collecting into brew pot
collect 3 quarts per minute
heat sparging water up to 180 during mash
leave always 2-3 inches of water on top of grainbed
sparge for 60-90 minutes

were im a little confused is i was lookin at dennybrew and if im rite it says open the spout and drain as fast as possible the guy at the shop said keep it about a quart for minute..

so if i keep it at a quart per minute i can see sparging for 60-90 minutes but if i drain it as fast as it will go it shouldnt take that much time am i correct??

I still don't get it. But, you can use 1.25 quarts of water per pound of grain (in your recipe). Use 165 degree water to get to 152 degrees. Stir well, making sure you have no dough balls. After an hour, open the valve. Take the first couple of grainy quarts and put it back into the MLT. Then, drain it all out. Then, using up to .5 gallons per pound of grain in the recipe, heat that to 180 or so. Add half of it to the MLT, stir well. Recirculate the first couple of quarts as before, then drain it out. Then do it again. Then bring all of that to a boil, and proceed.

The water volumes depend on your recipe and your boil volume, so my answer is very general.

 

[KEITH27]

I'm saying I don't think he meant to slam you!

I tried to understand what you were asking- I really did. But I am older, and have trouble reading/understanding shortcuts and sentences without words. Like ?? means question- I get that. But it doesn't make sense to an older person trying to read it, without punctuation, etc.

I'm not trying to criticize you at all- I'm just trying to explain why some of the "seasoned" members may not respond. It's very hard to understand (to me and my age group) what it is that you are asking. I'll read your question again and see if I'm smart enough to "get it" this time.

i understand... i tried to edit it so it would make a little more sence hopefully it worked if not ill just have to figure it out i have a few books but there old and dont answer anything im ever looking for so i figured ask fellow brewers..

 

[KEITH27]

I still don't get it. But, you can use 1.25 quarts of water per pound of grain (in your recipe). Use 165 degree water to get to 152 degrees. Stir well, making sure you have no dough balls. After an hour, open the valve. Take the first couple of grainy quarts and put it back into the MLT. Then, drain it all out. Then, using up to .5 gallons per pound of grain in the recipe, heat that to 180 or so. Add half of it to the MLT, stir well. Recirculate the first couple of quarts as before, then drain it out. Then do it again. Then bring all of that to a boil, and proceed.

The water volumes depend on your recipe and your boil volume, so my answer is very general.

Sounds about the same thing I put up, but I think you just worded it better. Im only going off of the same exact list of steps he gave me thanx for the help

 

[KEITH27]

So all in all im going to make 5 gallon batch i have 8 pounds of grains so i will have to run and only a 5 gallon tun. So ill have to run 180 degree water through my tun about 3 time? is this correct?

 

[Yooper]

So all in all im going to make 5 gallon batch i have 8 pounds of grains so i will have to run and only a 5 gallon tun. So ill have to run 180 degree water through my tun about 3 time? is this correct?

Not exactly. You'll add 10 quarts of water (165 or so) to the grain, to get to 152. Stir well, and let it sit.

Then, after an hour, recirculate a couple of quarts and then drain the whole thing. Add 2 gallons of 180 degree water, to get your grain bed around 168 or so. Recirculate and drain. Then, add 2 gallons of 170 degree water (since the grain bed is already 168) and then recirculate and drain. That should give you 6.5 gallons of runnings to boil.

Bobby_M's primer is very good (it was posted a little above these posts) and if you read through that first, it'll help a lot.

 

[KEITH27]

mate dont worry bout it, i get razed all the time cause i cant spell worth a dickens if i am typeing to fast or not paying attention... it urks me, but when they are actully confused it doesn't bother me... its the ones who point it out for fun just to rip your balls i don't like, even when its important.... but all in all there are good folks round here... im sorry but i didnt get it either so i pointed you to Death, hes the resident expert in my opinion.

Cheers

pointed me to death?? it isnt that seriouse No but for real whos death??

 

[KEITH27]

Not exactly. You'll add 10 quarts of water (165 or so) to the grain, to get to 152. Stir well, and let it sit.

Then, after an hour, recirculate a couple of quarts and then drain the whole thing. Add 2 gallons of 180 degree water, to get your grain bed around 168 or so. Recirculate and drain. Then, add 2 gallons of 170 degree water (since the grain bed is already 168) and then recirculate and drain. That should give you 6.5 gallons of runnings to boil.

Bobby_M's primer is very good (it was posted a little above these posts) and if you read through that first, it'll help a lot.

OK i think i get it now that was my whole question thankyou for the help sir's i will be looking at this the whole time im brewing to make sure i get it down pat. Nothin worse than messing up brew..

 

[BrewinJack]

pointed me to death?? it isnt that seriouse No but for real whos death??

Well death is a meta-physical being who walks about escorting the souls of the dead unto the gates of heaven for judgement....

But in this case Death means DeathBrewer hes the one who started to AG thread about easy stovetop AG... and well im sure he knows lots of ways to AG brew... hes just kinda smart like that you know??? I found his stove top particularly helpful and thought you might be able to ask him for his help or possiably change your plan fromt he possiablly intelageable instructions you were given.

Cheers

 

[KEITH27]

then after i boil my wort do i cool it down and pinch the yeast just like if i were doing extract beer? if not what temp do you recomend i get the wort down to??

 

[Nurmey]

After the boil it is just like an extract brew.

 

[Brewsmith]

Yes, cool it down as normal.

After the mash, AG is exactly like extract, except that it is full volume.

 

[KEITH27]

After the boil it is just like an extract brew.

all rite guess thats it.. thanx for your help ill let you guys know how it went when im done...:rockin:

 

[Shonuff]

all rite guess thats it.. thanx for your help ill let you guys know how it went when im done...:rockin:

Just remember you have to send us all a bottle from your first AG

 

[Yankeehillbrewer]

im gonna brew my first all grain in the morning and i went to the local brew shop and heres the list he gave me...

#1heat 3 gallons to 160 degrees
#2then mix in quart of grain quart of water so on so on
#3stir untill i get it about 152 degrees then seal up the tun for 60 minutes pour 1 quart of wort out into a pitcher then pour it back into grain bed
#4after it clears start collecting into brew pot
#5collect 3 quarts per minute
#6heat sparging water up to 180 during mash
#7leave always 2-3 inches of water on top of grainbed
#7sparge for 60-90 minutes

were im a little confused is i was lookin at dennybrew and if im rite it says open the spout and drain as fast as possible the guy at the shop said keep it about a quart for minute..

so if i keep it at a quart per minute i can see sparging for 60-90 minutes but if i drain it as fast as it will go it shouldnt take that much time am i correct??

I'm not sure that those are the best instructions for a first mash. They seem a little too basic in my opinion. You'll want to pre heat your mash tun for a bit before you start. I like to put in a few gallons of 180* or so water and let it warm up for about an hour. That will help you hit your target temperature. I personally think it's better to miss your target temp low and bring it up with boiling water. So, I like to have a tea kettle going while I mash in. It will take you a couple brews to dial in your system. You'll eventually know the right temp to get your strike water to, so you can hit your mash temp. Pre heating makes it all easier though.

I like to use 1.5 qts water to 1 lb grain, you also need to account for water that the grain will soak up, I beleive the number is .1 gallons per pound. So, for 10lbs of grain you would lose a gallon of water. So you would need 19qts of strike water. Then for your sparge water you will subtract the amount of your first runnings , from the total amount of pre boil wort you want. That will tell you how much sparge water you need. I like to heat my sparge water to 170*.

When you recirculate(Vorlauf), start the flow slowly and gradually open up the valve all the way. That will help the grain bed setup. Do that til it clears a little and you'll be ready to collect your runnings. Do this the same way, start the flow slowly and gradually open the valve all the way. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to collect your runnings for each sparge.

You definitely need have a plan though. Know what temp you want to mash at and from there, figure out what temp your strike water needs to be. Take the time to calculate how much strike water you will need. You'll eventually nail down a method that works for you, and gives you the results you want.

You've probably read about all of these things by now, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.

Above all, Have fun.

 

[Bulls Beers]

All I can say is, Yikes!!

 

[KEITH27]

I'm not sure that those are the best instructions for a first mash. They seem a little too basic in my opinion. You'll want to pre heat your mash tun for a bit before you start. I like to put in a few gallons of 180* or so water and let it warm up for about an hour. That will help you hit your target temperature. I personally think it's better to miss your target temp low and bring it up with boiling water. So, I like to have a tea kettle going while I mash in. It will take you a couple brews to dial in your system. You'll eventually know the right temp to get your strike water to, so you can hit your mash temp. Pre heating makes it all easier though.

I like to use 1.5 qts water to 1 lb grain, you also need to account for water that the grain will soak up, I beleive the number is .1 gallons per pound. So, for 10lbs of grain you would lose a gallon of water. So you would need 19qts of strike water. Then for your sparge water you will subtract the amount of your first runnings , from the total amount of pre boil wort you want. That will tell you how much sparge water you need. I like to heat my sparge water to 170*.

When you recirculate(Vorlauf), start the flow slowly and gradually open up the valve all the way. That will help the grain bed setup. Do that til it clears a little and you'll be ready to collect your runnings. Do this the same way, start the flow slowly and gradually open the valve all the way. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to collect your runnings for each sparge.

You definitely need have a plan though. Know what temp you want to mash at and from there, figure out what temp your strike water needs to be. Take the time to calculate how much strike water you will need. You'll eventually nail down a method that works for you, and gives you the results you want.

You've probably read about all of these things by now, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.

Above all, Have fun.

I have read it all i think thats my problem alot of people do it different ways is what im finding out.. but i do appreciate your input i can use all the knowledge i can get.. thanx

 

[KEITH27]

All I can say is, Yikes!!

uh oh.. why yikes? your scarring me