HR 5843 Personal Use Marijuana

[kornkob]

It's been a long time since I've cared to measure anything like I do hops, but the same medical site I checked earlier showed 0.5g to 1.0g as the 'standard dosage' for medical use.

At 2 grams per day, that's 2-4 doses, which should be enough for even the above average smoker.

I suspect that medical site is talking about 'doses' related to relieving a medical condition-- like nausea. That's not recreational use.


It's akin to medical sites that tell you to have a glass of wine every day. that' helps you with your medical needs but isn't going to get anyone happily drunk.

 

[jezter6]

That's the question I've been asking for the majority of my adult life. If none of "us" think like that, then who's thinking for us????

Thanks for the link to the repository, it's been about 3 years since I read through all that! I've been meaning to track down the link for some re-reading. That was from back in "the day" when I was getting ready to immigrate North. Probably should've done it, in hindsight.

You vote rich old white guys into office to 'think' for you. And when you don't vote those guys in, you vote other guys in who are such a minority that they cannot get legislation passed. Does the 'common man' ever get voted in? No. Nobody wants a common man. They want rich, laywer types running around.

If we voted in the average homebrewer/homegrower, we wouldn't have this problem.

Unfotunately, cost of entry to get into the game is a factor. You need a war chest to advertise and get people out there getting sigs and spreading the word - which is something that the common man just doesn't have going for him. It's all guys who are ALREADY rich, who get themselves in locally, and then go regional, then next thing you know you got an 92 year old racist who's been in government since prohibition and he doesn't really 'represent' the views of the masses.

But that's another political argument that will end up killing this thread, so please move on and go back to politely discussing weed.

I like weed, and you should too!

 

[Chriso]

But that's another political argument that will end up killing this thread, so please move on and go back to politely discussing weed. I like weed, and you should too!

Oh ya! Wasn't trying to kill this thread, just agreed very much with the sentiment that Fingers had pointed out. Then again, definitely not the first time I agreed with a Canadian on political thought.
(Also why I refrained from carrying on further with Stever's comment. AllI'msayingisObama.)

 

[Philip1993]

I see a lot of people sneaking into MJ farms at night stealing buds left and right.

Been to Raleigh, NC. Tobacco is grown 10ft from the road with no fences. Theft isn't a big issue.

brewers also don't have fields upon fields of cans of beer ripe for the picking. If beer DID work that way - kids would be sneaking into fields grabbing a 30 pack and partying their brains out.

Brewers don't, but the local grocery store/food mart/etc does. And while I have known a number of people busted for buying with fake ID's, or buying for underage drinkers, I have never heard of anyone busted for stealing a 6'er of Bid Light from Kroger...

MJ is a commodity just like any other agri-crop. Supply will increase and prices will drop until an equilibrium is reached. And that will result in a price lower than it is now with a heavily constrained supply.

 

[mr x]

I suspect that medical site is talking about 'doses' related to relieving a medical condition-- like nausea. That's not recreational use.

For a lot of people, that would be more than recreational use.

 

[kornkob]

Been to Raleigh, NC. Tobacco is grown 10ft from the road with no fences. Theft isn't a big issue.

Tobacco requires a great deal more processing than weed to get it into a familiarly usable product.

 

[jezter6]

Cigarettes are also 20 'joints' to a $5 pack, available at any grocery store and gas station in the world.

If tobacco was $200 an ounce and viable to smoke right from the plant - you'd see a lot more Duke lacrosse players stopping for a pee break on the side of the road.

 

[Chriso]

Tobacco is viable to smoke right from the plant, it's just less consistent than commercially prepared and blended tobacco product. Marlboro Lights and Camel Lights are different because of how the tobacco's prepared.

You can feasibly grow a tobacco plant, dry and shred the leaves, and smoke pure tobacco cigarettes by rolling them yourself. Same with ganja.

Now, if there's some anti-theft "spray" out there for the stuff nearest the road side.... well I don't know about that.

 

[jezter6]

Brewers don't, but the local grocery store/food mart/etc does. And while I have known a number of people busted for buying with fake ID's, or buying for underage drinkers, I have never heard of anyone busted for stealing a 6'er of Bid Light from Kroger...

Talking about stealing beer from the food mart is much different than the back country field. It's arguing apples and fish sticks. Sure, they're both food - but the similarities end there.

 

[Philip1993]

Tobacco requires a great deal more processing than weed to get it into a familiarly usable product.

Tell that to my grandfather. I don't believe he ever bought tobacco or wine, but was a avid user of both...

But that gets away from the point. That being that theft is such a non-issue with a similar crop (tobacco) that they don't even bother to put up a simple fence.

Talking about stealing beer from the food mart is much different than the back country field. It's arguing apples and fish sticks.

Not really. If stealing alcohol from a retailer is a non-issue and stealing tobacco from a field is a non-issue, then what makes you think there will be a sudden frenzy to go clean out the weed fields? Look at the mitigating circumstances;

1. Fresh cut MJ is not smokable. So, you gotta plan ahead.
2. MJ will not be grown on every street corner. So you gotta plan a road trip.
3. MJ will be sold on every street corner, ready for use and competitively priced.
4. Food marts clerks may not shoot you, farmers WILL shoot you.

It just doesn't make sense. You're gonna drive 50 miles in the middle of the night and risk jail and/or getting shot to avoid spending $50 at the local 7-11 for pack of smoke?

 

[jezter6]

Many good points to be sure. It's hard to tell just how much people will be willing to do. I am routinely amazed by humanity.

As for people risking jail/shot for smoke - come to my city at midnight and see what people will do for it.

 

[Philip1993]

As for people risking jail/shot for smoke - come to my city at midnight and see what people will do for it.

Nearly all low end drug violence isn't seller <--> user or even user <--> user. It's competing sellers and seller<--> enforcement. That's not about the drug, it's about power and money.

Many good points to be sure. It's hard to tell just how much people will be willing to do. I am routinely amazed by humanity.

As I am. And I'm not saying that MJ won't be stolen, I'm just saying that commercial MJ fields present no special target that would cause out of the ordinary thefts.

As for the price, this is an interesting quote re: prohibition;

"Fisher used retail alcohol prices to demonstrate that Prohibition was working by raising the price and decreasing the quantity produced. However, his price quotations also revealed that the Iron Law of Prohibition was at work. The price of beer increased by more than 700 percent, and that of brandies increased by 433 percent, but spirit prices in creased by only 270 percent" - Fisher

If you correlate post-prohibition prices of beer to MJ, would sell for about $14.25/oz or about $10.18/pack. Even adding back NJ's ridiculous 60% tobacco tax (the highest in the nation), would only make the price $17.10/pack or about $24.01/ounce.

 

[jezter6]

As I am. And I'm not sayng that MJ won't be stolen, I'm just saying that commercial MJ fields present no special target that would cause out of the ordinary theft.

In the end - maybe. And I'm not talking about theft that is enough to hurt the farmer, I'm just saying that people WILL jump in and raid from time to time.

 

[PeteOz77]

I think everyone here is missing the biggest point:

It won't be long before the government outlaws Cigarette smoking. I know in AUS and now in France (probably a LOT of othr places in the world as well) it's illegal to smoke ANYWHERE inside a closed building, other than your own home...and they are working on stopping that as well.

If trends continue, I can't see ciggies even being legal to sell, much less Pot.

I don't really have an opinion on the debate either for or against, other than to say that Legalising it would certainly reduce the burden on the court and prison systems, and it would take money out of the hands of disorganised crime and put it into the hands of organised crime (Big Business)

As for production and distribution, I can't see a problem with the existing tobacco growers and distributors making room in their fields and trucks and warehouses for a similar, complimentary product to their smokes.

Makes for interesting conversation tho eh?

 

[PeteOz77]

In the end - maybe. And I'm not talking about theft that is enough to hurt the farmer, I'm just saying that people WILL jump in and raid from time to time.

Yeah, they will. I originally come from Central Minnesota, where there are hundreds of fields of sweet corn grown for Del Monte. It's pretty common to be driving after dark, and see a pickup truck come slowly rolling out of a sweet corn field with the headlights off and a truckload of corn. No one makes a big deal out of it.

 

[Philip1993]

In the end - maybe. And I'm not talking about theft that is enough to hurt the farmer, I'm just saying that people WILL jump in and raid from time to time.

It will happen, as some people have no problem stealing. But that's a bit different than "a lot of people sneaking into MJ farms at night stealing buds left and right"

 

[BuffaloSabresBrewer]

I dont understand why someone would steal it if they would more easily buy it at a reasonable cost without any risks?

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

I dont understand why someone would steal it if they would more easily buy it at a reasonable cost without any risks?

Steal with risks=free
Buy risk free=$$

Some people steal just because they have the opportunity to do so, so sometimes $$ isnt even an issue.

 

[kornkob]

It will happen, as some people have no problem stealing. But that's a bit different than "a lot of people sneaking into MJ farms at night stealing buds left and right"

I think the difference here is this: high school kids don't give a crap about sweet corn.

And processing tobacco to make a cigarette (the preferred form of consumption for most folks) is relatively complicated as comparted to weed.

I still think high school kids will be inclined toward theft though I acknowledge that there's a strong possibility that it would be handled the same way booze among high school kids is now.

 

[mr x]

And processing tobacco to make a cigarette (the preferred form of consumption for most folks) is relatively complicated as comparted to weed.

The kids will just grow the weed and steal the tobacco to roll monster blunts.lol

 

[Nurmey]

I think this whole thread is pretty funny. I was raised in Alaska and it WAS legal to grow and smoke pot. Yes, folks just grew their own in the yards and everyone I know had a giant plant hanging upside down drying in the basement or garage. Funny part about it is that I never saw any more pot smoking then (when it was legal) than I do with kids today. I never really smoke much pot myself although my dad was a nightly toker so it was always around. Thanks to my dad and his garden, I am very good at harvesting. lol

BTW Jezter6, homegrown pot can be very good. Most of my peers grew Matanuska Thunderf*ck and it's about as good as it gets. Comparable to Maui Wowi (sp?).

Personally, I don't really care one way or another except for the fact that it would clear much needed space in our penal system for the really bad guys.

 

[BuffaloSabresBrewer]

Ok so there is a risk of theft. Secure the fields. A fence, dont grow them near the road dont advertise what your growing. Grow a facing of corn or someother bull.**** and grow the broccoli behind it.





PS this make 1000 posts well celebrate later.

 

[thebully]

Very interesting views here...
I often shake my head at our government...here they are suddenly buying up corn causing prices of cereal and corn products to skyrocket to make methanol, yet they wont legalize hemp growing which can outproduce the making of methanol, paper, clothing, etc.

And all this just to make sure ya dont get a buzz now and them.

Legalize It..

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

Very interesting views here...
I often shake my head at our government...here they are suddenly buying up corn causing prices of cereal and corn products to skyrocket to make methanol, yet they wont legalize hemp growing which can outproduce the making of methanol, paper, clothing, etc.

And all this just to make sure ya dont get a buzz now and them.

Legalize It..

I could have guessed your position on this topic merely from your location

 

[Chriso]

Hey, maybe he just discriminates against the altitudinally challenged?

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

Hey, maybe he just discriminates against the altitudinally challenged?

Or he is in north cali.... it looks high on a map, I mean it is up...

 

[BuffaloSabresBrewer]

He could have meant it by means of latitude.
EDIT: DW beat me to it.

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

He could have meant it by means of latitude.
EDITW beat me to it.

haha! I beat someone for once, it is usually me who is beat to the punch:rockin:

 

[BuffaloSabresBrewer]

you like how that accidentally formed a smiley code.

 

[BuffaloSabresBrewer]

But were getting off topic here.
Grass is gooooood.