How many batches to make quality beer?

[njviking]

I brewed crap for 10 years then took 15 years off. I just started again last year.

My tastes, mind and attitude have evolved over that time and i feel that this time around i have a better perception of good beer. I've placed and won a few categories in local contests, so I think im on the right track to brewing good beer.

One thing my father always said.... you can't learn anything with your mouth open. I've learned to take in info more so than tell people what i know.

 

[smokinop]

I was so in love with my first beer, a fuggle pale ale kit, that I was not very objective but I was hooked. I moved to AG kits after around 10 extract/mini-mash kits. Had a pretty good run with good beers but have 2 that I dumped & a few that I probably should have. The last year or so I started to pay more attention to detail, keep better records, & started using Brewsmith 2 with more consistent results, which means better beer.

I was just discussing my brewing tonight with my wife tonight. I have had a chugger pump for a while but have taken my time with all the accessories...money's been tight. I have every thing to get the pump in action now but I have had @ 15 brews with no issues & hate to fix what is not broken. I will start using my pump soon but I really am comfortable with my processes now & can see myself in the future doing basically the same thing I am doing right now! Temp control with my mash & temp control with fermentation. Makes life easier!

 

[fivepointslow]

7 or so batches before I got anything drinkable. By my 12-13th I shared and everyone seems to like what I make. All about figuring out your brew process.

 

[Zepth]

I just want to add that, in my experience, friends, family, and aquaintances are the absolute worst way to get feedback on your homebrew. It's always "this is really good beer, I really like it." They may actually mean it or they just don't want to hurt your feelings, it's so hard to tell. The only real way to get constructive feedback is entering beers into competitions.

I tell people when they're critiquing anything I've made that I want their honest opinion. They've come to learn that I can only improve things that I know need improving, and that I genuinely want the feedback.

 

[jakenbacon]

I love how many people were making fantastic quality beer on their second and third brew. I thought my first batch was great, but to be making consistently fantastic quality beer....100 plus batches and that was my experience and most pro's will tell you the same. It is a matter of balance and adjusting to your system to really get there. 2-3 batches my ass lol.... Would love to try these peps brews lol...

 

[1977Brewer]

I love how many people were making fantastic quality beer on their second and third brew. I thought my first batch was great, but to be making consistently fantastic quality beer....100 plus batches and that was my experience and most pro's will tell you the same. It is a matter of balance and adjusting to your system to really get there. 2-3 batches my ass lol.... Would love to try these peps brews lol...

Pm me your address. It's entirely possible. I love that it took you 100 tries to get it right.

 

[jakenbacon]

Pm me your address. It's entirely possible. I love that it took you 100 tries to get it right.

Lol, well like others have said it is subjective, and I would love to try your first couple batches. So funny you think you can brew quality beer not knowing your system. Tell ya what buddy, if your beer is half as good as say Firestone Walkers anything, I will spread your good word and call you a god. Something tells me I am not to worried about it lol... I started on this forum before my first batch and read three books and am a general fanatic at whatever I get into. Sure you can make beer people will like, and that is good, but high quality you can measure all the way around with no faults? Don't think so.... Like I said man, prove me wrong, I will do tasting on this sight just to prove how awesome you are LOL. I have seen you on here before and your posts so bring it all day buddy :cross:

 

[brew_ny]

How many batches to make quality beer?

my bad I did not read that as

making fantastic quality beer

how's your beer working for you?

 

[1977Brewer]

I started here before I started brewing too, however that matters. I'm pretty damn proud of the beers I've made, and they've been well received. In the end, I'm brewing for me, and really don't have to prove squat to anyone else. I just took umbrage with your attitude about it.

And forget it, I'm not wasting beer on you.

 

[1977Brewer]

And no new messages. You didn't really want it anyway.

Edit....lol

 

[jakenbacon]

my bad I did not read that as



how's your beer working for you?

Good, how bout you LOL. Pick my words apart as that probably all you have going for you. What I got from the OP is when can you consistently make great beer. 100 batches per style according to Jamil Zainasheff. But you probably make better beer than him right? LOL

 

[1977Brewer]

Pm received. You're not getting none of this.

 

[Subdivisions]

the first batch of beer I ever brewed was the best beer in all of history. where to do go when you start out at the top? every batch of beer I made is so awesome that Denny Conn, Charlie Papazian, and @TNGabe are all super duper extra ultra maxi jealous of my wicked awesome skills. Matt Lauer can suck it.

I'll agree with the Matt Lauer can suck it part.

 

[1977Brewer]

The point I was trying to make but couldn't because I'm sober, is that we're not really here to puff our chests out at one another. This is not a Johnson measuring contest.

 

[jakenbacon]

I started here before I started brewing too, however that matters. I'm pretty damn proud of the beers I've made, and they've been well received. In the end, I'm brewing for me, and really don't have to prove squat to anyone else. I just took umbrage with your attitude about it.

And forget it, I'm not wasting beer on you.

And no new messages. You didn't really want it anyway.

Edit....lol

Well I was being general, didn't call anyone out, and here you are. So funny you wanted my address, I send it to you, and you wont send your sh*tty beer. I think we already know how this was gonna go huh? O well buddy, I dont want to tell a new brewer he should have quality beer by his third batch, but that may be because of my learning curve not yours. Like I said I would really tell you my honest opinion of your beer. Want me to send you one of mine? Just PM me. If you want to keep calling me out cause you disagree than go for it, I'll be here

 

[1977Brewer]

Good, how bout you LOL. Pick my words apart as that probably all you have going for you. What I got from the OP is when can you consistently make great beer. 100 batches per style according to Jamil Zainasheff. But you probably make better beer than him right? LOL

I'm gonna be a prick about this now. You bug me.

Who wants this ******** address?

 

[brew_ny]

Good, how bout you LOL. Pick my words apart as that probably all you have going for you. What I got from the OP is when can you consistently make great beer. 100 batches per style according to Jamil Zainasheff. But you probably make better beer than him right? LOL

I am not picking anything apart my friend just pointing out the difference


and again how is your brewing going for you? and your beer?

 

[1977Brewer]

Well I was being general, didn't call anyone out, and here you are. So funny you wanted my address, I send it to you, and you wont send your sh*tty beer. I think we already know how this was gonna go huh? O well buddy, I dont want to tell a new brewer he should have quality beer by his third batch, but that may be because of my learning curve not yours. Like I said I would really tell you my honest opinion of your beer. Want me to send you one of mine? Just PM me. If you want to keep calling me out cause you disagree than go for it, I'll be here

Dude, I'm 37 years old. Do you think I haven't seen a troll before? Be gone. Did I say my beer is phenomenal? Um...no. Did I say I think it's great? Yeah, because I love it. Is it flawless? No.

I'm going to eff one all up, just for you, and send you s bomber of it.

 

[jakenbacon]

I'm gonna be a prick about this now. You bug me.

Who wants this ******** address?

Pm me your address. It's entirely possible. I love that it took you 100 tries to get it right.

Lol.... *****....

 

[jakenbacon]

I am not picking anything apart my friend just pointing out the difference


and again how is your brewing going for you? and your beer?

Did you read were I said "Good" LOL you guys rock!

 

[1977Brewer]

I'm not going to distribute your address. That would be a total d!ck move.

Calm down tho.

 

[jakenbacon]

dude, i'm 37 years old. Do you think i haven't seen a troll before? Be gone. Did i say my beer is phenomenal? Um...no. Did i say i think it's great? Yeah, because i love it. Is it flawless? No.

I'm going to eff one all up, just for you, and send you s bomber of it.

delete.

 

[brew_ny]

Did you read were I said "Good" LOL you guys rock!

I missed that my brother brew on and enjoy your evening

S_M

 

[1977Brewer]

Bro you have over 1500 post in less than a year. Who is the TROLL.... Send it whiney lil bitch and I will try it here on HBT :fro:

Oh boy. You're fun.

 

[jakenbacon]

Sorry everyone, I am outta here so this thread doesn't get locked! Great to hear everyone's experiences, Good luck!

 

[1977Brewer]

On topic, the answer is apparently 100 per style because Jamil says so.

 

[jakenbacon]

On topic, the answer is apparently 100 per style because Jamil says so.

I knew we would get you there old man lol!

 

[charliethebum]

Well..... that escalated quickly. Pretty rare that you see a youtube comment-esque keyboard battle on these here forums...

 

[thatjonguy]

I think the HBT app got drunk (again) and drank a couple bottles from BA.

 

[electrolight]

Yeah... what's up with the puffed out chests guys... take it down a notch. Grab a beer and chill out.