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Please don't disparage all of us east coasters with that murky flour-in-the-boil crap. Most of us don't do that.

For the love of god this. Anyone actually using flour is chasing a visual without understanding what actually makes the style hazy. Haze is just a byproduct of the style coming from water, the crazy hop additions, and when the hops are added.
 
I'm still not buying the 'hops cause the haze' thing. Permanently murky beer is *usually* the result of incomplete starch conversion, leading to starch in the finished product. If it was yeast in suspension or hop haze (hops *do* cause a haze but shouldn't make a beer look like a glass of tropicana) it would settle out in cold conditioning.

I'm of the opinion that this started out as rushed brewing to get product out faster, and now people are trying to make it a 'thing.'
 
Really depends on the beer. My "house ale", pilsner, etc - want them clear. My iPA's always have some haze. And hefe...I think we all agree!
 
Whatever. Most of my beers get clear when sitting at 40F in a keg for a few weeks. No fining agents. Of course there are obvious exceptions.
 
It isn't starch. The IPA I am drinking is hazy... OG was supposed to be 1.064 and I nailed it. FG was 1.010 so I had good conversion!

I'm still not buying the 'hops cause the haze' thing. Permanently murky beer is *usually* the result of incomplete starch conversion, leading to starch in the finished product. If it was yeast in suspension or hop haze (hops *do* cause a haze but shouldn't make a beer look like a glass of tropicana) it would settle out in cold conditioning.

I'm of the opinion that this started out as rushed brewing to get product out faster, and now people are trying to make it a 'thing.'
 
I put 6oz of hops dry hopped in my last ipa. Drank it 3 days later. If i remember correctly it wasnt clear.
 
Cloudy no, some protein haze meh who cares. heffe cloudy yes unless crystal then no..
 
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