Homemade PBW Recipe

[Broothru]

Man oh Man! That Al Kaline. His entire career with the Tigers - Hall of Fame - 399 homers - 10 Golden Gloves - 18 All Star selections. Then Al Kaline batteries and now Al Kaline brewery wash. Amazing!

 

[DuncB]

Going back a few posts but P for Powerful ?

Joking aside I always have a packet of dehydrated water in my disaster pack. It's very useful, long shelf life and you just add water to it and it's full on hydration.

 

[jtratcliff]

I purchased a 3.25 lb tub of ALL oxi booster at Tom Thumb for $6.99, which is basically what I would have paid on Amazon for Oxi at 3 lbs. Only thing is Amazon won't deliver til next month, so...I'll take it.

Well, it seems like the Kroger branded one has changed suppliers (and also the name of the product itself)... No longer suitable for use as PBW substitute... Too bad, too. I could regularly get for $3.99 / 3 lb tub.

Looks like the ALL oxi booster is the next best ... I can find it for $4.99 at Vons grocery stores (I think it's owned by Albertsons)

 

[soccerdad]

What makes the Kroger version not suitable?

 

[IslandLizard]

Well, it seems like the Kroger branded one has changed suppliers (and also the name of the product itself)... No longer suitable for use as PBW substitute... Too bad, too. I could regularly get for $3.99 / 3 lb tub.

What would it make unsuitable? Additives?

The main component we're looking for is Sodium Percarbonate, the oxygen supplying compound. The higher the percentage, the better for our uses. The balance is usually made up of Sodium Carbonate (aka Washing Soda).

Looks like the ALL oxi booster is the next best ...

What is the % of PerCarbonate in that? The generic I used to get was around 50-60% Percarbonate.

 

[jtratcliff]

What would it make unsuitable? Additives?

,

Yeah, fragrance and colorants ... among other stuff... Old version had none of that crap, just Sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (Percarbonate) &
sodium chloride...

New:
https://www.kroger.com/CleaningProductRightToKnow/0001111009302ING.pdf
vs

Old:
https://www.kroger.com/CleaningProductRightToKnow/0001111085825ING.pdf

What is the % of PerCarbonate in that? The generic I used to get was around 50-60% Percarbonate.

Don't know for sure, but it's made by Sun Products, so probably the same as the Sun Oxygen cleaner in the OP....

https://sunproductsmsdsbrand.thewer...PT FREE CLEAR~~&__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=D6323F43
Although the ingredient lists for the 2 products have the order of the ingredients switched... Sun lists Sodium Percarbonate And Sodium Carbonate, while ALL lists Sodium Carbonate and Sodium Percarbonate... at least on the walmart product descriptions...

 

[DuncB]

@jtratcliff

Slightly off topic re PBW but on rocket science

 

[IslandLizard]

Yeah, fragrance and colorants ... among other stuff

And what one calls "filler" and the other "builder" for the same ingredient (or class of ingredients) (e.g., NaCl, common table salt). I guess industrial "table salt" is much cheaper than washing soda, The latter I used to buy in (large) 3 or 4 pound boxes only available at a Walmart in a less affluent area, for as many bucks or less.

Hard to compare those ingredient lists. It's also very possible ingredients have been left out some of them, such on the "original" Kroger Oxi only listing 2.

The fragrance addition is indeed the bigger issue as it may be adsorbed/absorbed by certain plastics. When used in glass I would not be too concerned, as it should rinse out. But yeah... we can do without it. Dang!

 

[IslandLizard]

BTW, the ALL SDS doesn't list any ingredients, but this caught my eye:
Property Values Remarks•Method
pH - 7.0 - 1% SOLUTION

That's impossible of course for an alkaline cleaner.

 

[soccerdad]

I find that the ALL powdered laundry booster is an acceptable alternative and is generally available at wally world. But whenever I get to an Aldi I look for their version. Also, the dollar stores sometimes have an "Awesome" brand but it might be scented.

 

[balrog]

I just buy it straight. Ebay for instance.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/193668299121?var=494130876117

 

[UdonPete]

Or why not just use Sodium Percarbonate by it's self ?

 

[Miraculix]

What is the current version of the recipe?

 

[soccerdad]

I'm pretty sure it's 2 scoops Oxi Free (or generic) and 2 scoop tsp or tsp90. 66% to 33%.

Many here recommend just getting powdered sodium percarbonate - rather than a mix. And sodium metasilcate v. tsp.

 

[balrog]

I'm pretty sure it's 2 scoops Oxi Free (or generic) and 2 scoop tsp or tsp90. 66% to 33%.

2:2 = 66%:33% ? Because of the % of sodium percarbonate in the OFree?

 

[soccerdad]

Yes 2:2. Wear your tutu when you mix it. I do.

 

[soccerdad]

No seriously, if I were using single chem sodium percarbonate and sodium metasilcate, I would just do 2 scoops SP to 1 scoop SM.*
But with generic oxy free (which I use) having an unknown quantity of sodium carbonate, I might up the number of scoops of generic oxy free. That seems (to me) to be the real work horse here.
* these single chem formulations appear to be available on Amazon and other places

 

[IslandLizard]

I'm pretty sure it's 2 scoops Oxi Free (or generic) and 2 scoop tsp or tsp90. 66% to 33%.

Did you mean to say 2 scoops of Oxi and 1 scoop of TSP/90? That would make it 67%/33%.

 

[Miraculix]

Did you mean to say 2 scoops of Oxi and 1 scoop of TSP/90? That would make it 67%/33%.

2:2 = 66%:33% ? Because of the % of sodium percarbonate in the OFree?

 

[balrog]

I'm thinking the 2:2 is for Tru©™® Homemade PBW.

I buy ebay sodium percarbonate.
I mix that 2:1 with True Value (not Tru©™®) TSP/90

 

[soccerdad]

Did you mean to say 2 scoops of Oxi and 1 scoop of TSP/90? That would make it 67%/33%.

I DID mean 2 to 1. But that's close to math. Let's not go there.

 

[Broothru]

Always refrain from performing Math in Public. Words to live by.

 

[balrog]

No truer words were ever spoken.

 

[day_trippr]

 

[JohnDBrewer]

Three kinds of people in the world:
-those who are good at math, and
-those who are not.

 

[delium55]

For those who know dose the PBW look this;
Download jmc's PBW Excel Calculation Spreadsheet at ://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/extras.htm

 

[LarMoeCur]

So, I'm ordering the ingredients to mix up some of this and got to thinking. About, how the pH is really what get's the cleaning done. So, I spent sometime on google and from what I can find PBW's pH should be around 12. Now here's the dangerous part, "I got to thinking". Wouldn't adding 7th Generation Dish washing detergent which contains citric acid lower the pH enough to make it some what neutral or closer to neutral? I've got a good water softener and I'm thinking I may not need 7th Gen if it's being used mainly for the cleating agents.

Thoughts? Preferably less dangerous then my own.

Thank you.

 

[marc1]

So, I'm ordering the ingredients to mix up some of this and got to thinking. About, how the pH is really what get's the cleaning done. So, I spent sometime on google and from what I can find PBW's pH should be around 12. Now here's the dangerous part, "I got to thinking". Wouldn't adding 7th Generation Dish washing detergent which contains citric acid lower the pH enough to make it some what neutral or closer to neutral? I've got a good water softener and I'm thinking I may not need 7th Gen if it's being used mainly for the cleating agents.

Thoughts? Preferably less dangerous then my own.

Thank you.

I have softened water and I don't add the 7th Gen to mine.

 

[Broothru]

So, I'm ordering the ingredients to mix up some of this and got to thinking. About, how the pH is really what get's the cleaning done. So, I spent sometime on google and from what I can find PBW's pH should be around 12. Now here's the dangerous part, "I got to thinking". Wouldn't adding 7th Generation Dish washing detergent which contains citric acid lower the pH enough to make it some what neutral or closer to neutral? I've got a good water softener and I'm thinking I may not need 7th Gen if it's being used mainly for the cleating agents.

Thoughts? Preferably less dangerous then my own.

Thank you.

I think the purpose of 7th. Generation is to act as a surfactant. Any acid in a dishwashing liquid probably wouldn't be low enough pH to neutralize any large volumn of PBW with that much alkalinity. You'd have to add more than a squirter or two of 7th Gen. to a BV or fermenter full of pH 11.0 cleaner.

 

[balrog]

So, I'm ordering the ingredients to mix up some of this and got to thinking. About, how the pH is really what get's the cleaning done. So, I spent sometime on google and from what I can find PBW's pH should be around 12. Now here's the dangerous part, "I got to thinking". Wouldn't adding 7th Generation Dish washing detergent which contains citric acid lower the pH enough to make it some what neutral or closer to neutral? I've got a good water softener and I'm thinking I may not need 7th Gen if it's being used mainly for the cleating agents.

Thoughts? Preferably less dangerous then my own.

Thank you.

I'm sure @Silver_Is_Money could calculate the mole equivalent free OH buffered whatnot thingydowhitchits.