Heady Topper- Can you clone it?

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Uh oh, better put on your flame suit! I know you probably meant that there would be less reason for all these clones if there was wider distribution. I brew because I enjoy it, not specifically because I can't buy it

Well said!

 

[BeerGrylls]

Not really sure why he would get flamed for brewing for his own personal reasons....


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Only because it was a general statement, not specific to himself. It was a light-hearted comment anyhow, it's not like I was offended or anything. It's OK, carry on.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Think we're all adults man. All good. Still haven't received response on the tasting sample, curious on others experience.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Haven't gone through all 260+ pages, but any votes for whose has the closest clone recipe? Either member wise or online retail? Thanks. Can't believe what I made would make it to market.

 

[trimixdiver1]

Haven't gone through all 260+ pages, but any votes for whose has the closest clone recipe? Either member wise or online retail? Thanks. Can't believe what I made would make it to market.

I think the 4th attempt, done at 63f and a single loose dry hop of 5 days and water at over 500ppm was the best so far for me. Even if it's not HT, who cares? Hell, brewing a clone has pissed my 2nd cousin off so bad, he will not talk to me. So I don't know if I want to call it a clone, call it a damn good IIPA.

PS John Kimmich is my 2nd cousin.

 

[PackerfaninSanDiego]

After 5 days, I pulled out the first hop sack. I was wondering if I should squeeze out as much beer as I could cuz there at least 6-8oz in the hop sack. I squeezed it into a sanitized bowl, gave it a quit taste,,,,,extremely bitter as to be expected. I did not return the squeezed solution back into the fermenter. Should I have returned it? What about the second bag?

 

[kcmobrewer]

That'll make for an interesting thanksgiving lol


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[mtnagel]

I think the 4th attempt, done at 63f and a single loose dry hop of 5 days and water at over 500ppm was the best so far for me. Even if it's not HT, who cares? Hell, brewing a clone has pissed my 2nd cousin off so bad, he will not talk to me. So I don't know if I want to call it a clone, call it a damn good IIPA.

PS John Kimmich is my 2nd cousin.

Why is he mad? That you brewed it or that everyone is trying to clone it?

After 5 days, I pulled out the first hop sack. I was wondering if I should squeeze out as much beer as I could cuz there at least 6-8oz in the hop sack. I squeezed it into a sanitized bowl, gave it a quit taste,,,,,extremely bitter as to be expected. I did not return the squeezed solution back into the fermenter. Should I have returned it? What about the second bag?

Yes. I always do. No issues. I'm not wasting those delicious hops.

 

[trimixdiver1]

Why is he mad? That you brewed it or that everyone is trying to clone it?



Yes. I always do. No issues. I'm not wasting those delicious hops.

Who knows, probably both. I went from fully supporting him to: What's headdy topper? Brewers like him, while talented, give professional Brewers a bad name. 99% of pro Brewers, (and I've meet a crap ton of them) are completely cool and will talk to as a peer. Not him, he constantly gave me BS answers every time I asked him about something. So everything you hear him say to a group, take it with a grain of salt. He is the reason why this thread is so long. I asked him what temp do you primary headdy at? He said 70's. Took a tour of the brewery and saw the temperature controllers at 63. Think he also got mad that his wife gave me the wholesale price for 2 cases I bought. She also gave me a hat, tin sign, stickers, a couple glasses for free. I know I'm only a second cousin, but gee wiz, if I were a owner of a brewery that sells 2000 cases for $75 bucks each, I don't understand why selling two for $20 bucks less would result in a moratorium on replies.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

I think the 4th attempt, done at 63f and a single loose dry hop of 5 days and water at over 500ppm was the best so far for me. Even if it's not HT, who cares? Hell, brewing a clone has pissed my 2nd cousin off so bad, he will not talk to me. So I don't know if I want to call it a clone, call it a damn good IIPA.

PS John Kimmich is my 2nd cousin.

Thought 'The Alchemist' was a family only operation? Call you Blacksheep from now on!

Thanks for the info, i'll try that version next time. And 500ppm of what?

 

[trimixdiver1]

Thought 'The Alchemist' was a family only operation? Call you Blacksheep from now on!

Thanks for the info, i'll try that version next time. And 500ppm of what?

I'm in pittsburgh, where he is from. I was busy punching holes in the ocean in the Navy while he was being "groovy" with Noonan.

500 ppm is the total hardness, I used gypsum.

 

[coldcrash]

DC Brau The Public

United up by 1 at the half

Edit: wrong thread. I'll just back slowly out of the room now...

 

[wobrien]

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DC Brau The Public

United up by 1 at the half

Edit: wrong thread. I'll just back slowly out of the room now...

Hahahahaha

 

[brewski09]

^what he said


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[drunkmonk59]

Brewed the Farmhouse kit on Saturday, converted it to 6gal, since my eff is at 88%. The day went really smooth. Only ended up with about 4.5 gal into the fermentor, with so much hop and break material at the bottom of my kettle. My boil off seemed more than usual. My OG was 1.076

My water was: CA115 MG20 NA19 CL50 SO4 328
Added 1ml of lactic to mash, my PH meter said 5.39 adjusted

pitched a 2l starter. Ferment started within 6 hours, at 67 and rose to 68.

I'll report back in a few weeks, with my thoughts.

 

[dbennett78]

Think that's the point. If craft beers were cheaper and available nation wide, there would be lesser need to HB. Online retailers can't ship to Texas, we are 2000 miles away from Vermont, so having NB come up with a clone is great for the rest of us. Same with Pliny.

Thats fine that they make a clone, but dont make the logo be a near knock off to the original and name it something a bit different...Also, give props where its due.

 

[TrickyDick]

HAH! In that case, I'm really glad that NB has a knock-off kit! He's really gonna love that! Don't know the man so best not to say anything of him, but sounds like could karma.


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[brewguyver]

he didnt say it IS identical, he said pretty much.



do you even figure of speech, bro?

<off>"Nothing goes over [his] head! [His] reflexes are too fast. [He] would catch it.</off>

I've got 6 jars of conan frozen from a scale up of a heady can. Just waiting on my bru-gear conical to be delivered ... and for the weather to get a little colder (way easier for me to heat a fermentation than cool it). Can't wait to sink my teeth into this recipe!


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[ThirstyPawsHB]

Thats fine that they make a clone, but dont make the logo be a near knock off to the original and name it something a bit different...Also, give props where its due.

You've changed my mind man! Here's my pic just after bottling, 9%, smooth, piney, citus.

Also, I've changed the name and label to something completely different. Thanks DB! What do you guys think?

 

[trimixdiver1]

<off>"Nothing goes over [his] head! [His] reflexes are too fast. [He] would catch it.</off>

I've got 6 jars of conan frozen from a scale up of a heady can. Just waiting on my bru-gear conical to be delivered ... and for the weather to get a little colder (way easier for me to heat a fermentation than cool it). Can't wait to sink my teeth into this recipe!


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We can convert that conical so time of year isn't an issue. Let me know.
Here is mine.

 

[kcmobrewer]

Holy hell! How much was that thing? Lol


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[mtnagel]

Certainly puts my plastic bucket and swamp cooler to shame

 

[Waylit]

I've got 6 jars of conan frozen from a scale up of a heady can. Just waiting on my bru-gear conical to be delivered ..

Won't freezing kill the yeast?

 

[brewski09]

Won't freezing kill the yeast?

I don't know if the op used glycerine, but it keeps the yeast from freezing solid. It's how the big companies keep yeast banks.


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[drez77]

Won't freezing kill the yeast?

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f13/guide-making-frozen-yeast-bank-35891/

 

[PackerfaninSanDiego]

22 days ago I brewed this, using Farmhouse's kit......FG is 1.020, which gives me a great ABV of 7.1%

 

[jammin]

FG is 1.020

yikes. that would be a drain pour for me.

did you use conan? that yeast is way to unpredictable for me to ever use it again

 

[kcmobrewer]

It's been predictable for me. Predictable in getting really low attenuation lol.


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[ultravista]

22 days ago I brewed this, using Farmhouse's kit......FG is 1.020, which gives me a great ABV of 7.1%

What was your starting gravity?

 

[PackerfaninSanDiego]

1.074

 

[hawgwild81]

Just kegged mine. I used the Farmhouse kit too. OG 1.078 FG 1.014 8.5%abv. Smells and tastes great. A little hot from the alcohol. Not sure how it compares to HT. It's been to long since I've had one.


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[Indian_villager]

We can convert that conical so time of year isn't an issue. Let me know.
Here is mine.
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From working with them in a lab environment beware the Neslabs. They are the ****tiest circulators I have had the opportunity to work with. If it fries to a point that is irreparable go for a Lauda.

 

[gotbags-10]

can anyone direct me to the Version 4 recipe page number? Been looking for awhile cant find it thanks

 

[hawgwild81]

can anyone direct me to the Version 4 recipe page number? Been looking for awhile cant find it thanks

Page 1 has the most current recipe


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[mtnagel]

yikes. that would be a drain pour for me.

I don't see a smilie, so not sure if you are kidding, but that is a ridiculous statement. No way I'd waste the amount of money and time it takes to make this batch just because the final gravity is a little higher than ideal.

 

[irishrover32]

I don't see a smilie, so not sure if you are kidding, but that is a ridiculous statement. No way I'd waste the amount of money and time it takes to make this batch just because the final gravity is a little higher than ideal.

+1 to this, hes out of his mind

 

[jammin]

why does not wanting to drink a 1.020 finishing beer make me out of my mind?

i don't like beer that sweet. i don't care how much time i put into it - if it's crap, im not gonna drink it

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

People's tastebuds are different man. 50% of my brews are crap to me, but kiddos seem to love them.

 

[losMythos]

If you knew the process in which Heady is made you would know why....Everyone has access to grain and hops and even yeast (Vermont ale yeast) But their process in the brewery is very close to impossible to replicate at home. I don't know how john feels about it but i bet he's not worried about it. Worth trying to get close though for sure.

 

[irishrover32]

why does not wanting to drink a 1.020 finishing beer make me out of my mind?

i don't like beer that sweet. i don't care how much time i put into it - if it's crap, im not gonna drink it

its not a great statement to make to another brewer specially if that brewer is not experienced and you come along saying you'd pour that beer down the drain if it was yours, just because he missed his FG by a few points does'nt mean the beer is undrinkable. i fully understand that your statement was your own opinion but it sounded like you were saying the guys beer was done for and not worth even trying.