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Did GBT give any indication when they'd start taking pre-orders?
Did GBT give any indication when they'd start taking pre-orders?
From what I gather, sounds like we should see full specs and pics on their website and IG within the next week, and pre-orders within 2 weeks.@Quadrider
Did GBT give any indication when they'd start taking pre-orders?
I'm still hoping Spike will come out with an EBIAB system. It would be so easy to build one around their base kettle with quick connects and simplified control panel and a basket. I exchanged emails with them and they implied they had something coming out, but the only announcement since then was the new TC kettle and system.
I exchanged a few emails with Spike in June about an eBIAB system and they said "we do not have a time frame for such a product at this time". Doesn't mean they were telling me the truth but that's what they told me. I agree that it shouldn't be too difficult for them to do. The Grounded system checks off almost everything. Obviously the price tag is a hurdle but I think it's probably a fair price for what the system comes with. I would have also liked to see an additional port near the top of the kettle to be able to recirc downward into the basket.
I'm trying to avoid building a custom eBIAB but it seems like that may just ultimately make the most sense. A custom 15g Spike+ kettle will probably run 400-450 maybe? A basket will be another 250-350 depending on the size and features. Now you are at 700-800 for the kettle and basket. That makes the Unibrau kettle and basket seem like a bargain at about 450 for 10 gallons.
I have a 15 gallon pot and sent 11G of DIPA into the fermenter, it took 29# of grain, I did have to pour over about 2 gallons though due to space.I'm not surprised at the $1800 price, but, at that price, it's far from a no-brainer. I suspect there's a significant premium for the TC ports, which I think is overkill for the hot side.
I'm in the process of shopping for an electric brewing system. At this point, I still haven't ruled out 3V HERMS, eBIAB, Kettle RIMS, Counterflow HERMS...so many options with different pros/cons for each. I just can't seem to find a system that meets all my needs at a decent price point.
I'm still hoping Spike will come out with an EBIAB system. It would be so easy to build one around their base kettle with quick connects and simplified control panel and a basket. I exchanged emails with them and they implied they had something coming out, but the only announcement since then was the new TC kettle and system.
I keep coming back to either Kettle RIMS or counterflow HERMS. I like the simplicity of eBIAB, but I have concerns about capacity for high gravity brews. My last stout was 12.5% 5G batch using 25 lbs of grain. I'm not seeing much in the eBIAB world that will do that due to the dead space where the heating element is and kettle size needed.
I have a 15 gallon pot and sent 11G of DIPA into the fermenter, it took 29# of grain, I did have to pour over about 2 gallons though due to space.
They have plans for an eBIAB kettle that includes a TC heating element port, WP port, temp port and a drain port. They quoted $350 for the 15G version
When you say "they have plans", do you mean they have a schematic already drawn up for a 15g kettle with those 4 ports and they can build it for 350 anytime you want it? Or that they have plans to offer an eBIAB kettle like that in the future and they plan to charge 350 for it?
Got a surprise awesome email today.....
“So after much consideration with some future products we having coming out in the near future, we have actually decided to include a 20 gallon kettle with the kit and a basket to match! The kit will remain the same price of $1800!”
20G for the same price?? Wow
Got a surprise awesome email today.....
“So after much consideration with some future products we having coming out in the near future, we have actually decided to include a 20 gallon kettle with the kit and a basket to match! The kit will remain the same price of $1800!”
20G for the same price?? Wow
Same here. Hmm.Will they offer both size options? I will never brew batches bigger than 6 gallons into fermentor, 5 gallons into keg. Don’t want or need 20 gallons of kettle space!
Will they offer both size options? I will never brew batches bigger than 6 gallons into fermentor, 5 gallons into keg. Don’t want or need 20 gallons of kettle space!
3) Yes, there will be hooks for the basket to the kettle
4) No problem with 5 gallon batches. The element is around the 2 to 3 gallon mark
Hey everyone! Thank you for the interest in our system! So, I know we threw a curve ball with the different kettle size. We were just about to start production on the 20 gallon kettles, but after seeing everyones feedback on here we have decided to stick with the 15 gallon for now and release a 20 gallon version at a later date. Thanks again!
Makes sense, you will probably be able to sell more 15's than 20's. You can definitely still do 10 gallon batch BIAB in a 15G pot, I do it relatively often, you would just have to do a pourover sparge once you pull the grain. Good luck, from what I've seen this looks like a great system.
While I know it is impossible to make everyone happy, I for one was excited for the 20g Jump :/ but I am however very much looking forward to the details on your system!
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a lot of those prices are kinda high it seems they are close to double what you can buy them for if you dont go through a homebrew shop as a middleman.Math Time:
$475.99 - BIAB Panel - Grounded's Price
$350.00 - Kettle - Assuming 2x tangential in, all TC... sure
$200.00 - Basket - Rough amount from comparison to Utah BD
$200.00 - 4x Valves Butterfly - Brewers Hardware
$ 66.00 - 12x Clamps - Brewers Hardware
$ 12.00 - 12x Gaskets - Brewers Hardware
$120.00 - 12x Barb to TC Fittings - Brewers Hardware
$ 32.00 - TC Temp Fitting - Brewers Hardware
$ 32.00 - 12' Silicon - MoreBeer
$109.00 - 5500w TC Element - eBrew Supply
$ ???.00 - Pump of some sort
WITHOUT pump this is $1677, depending on pump $1800 seems pretty reasonable. Like its been said, this appears to be top tier equip, can some things be priced out cheaper? Sure, but this is one click and it's great looking thus far.
Like it's been said, pending specifics, pump, other info it seems like a reasonable value to me.
*****Math Time is sponsored by beer and beer math can be wrong. Amount pulled from the fastest googled website containing the term and pertaining to brewing with some "I've shopped there before" favoritism, yes i'm sure some items can be found cheaper, extreme accuracy was not guaranteed but for beer math, it's close enough.
a lot of those prices are kinda high it seems they are close to double what you can buy them for if you dont go through a homebrew shop as a middleman.
For example 1.5" TC butterfly valves start at about $25 shipped each https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-5-Sanita...cone-Sealing/232303795591?hash=item3616629d87 theres about $100 in savings..
The barbed tri clamp fittings are about $5 each not 10.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-12MM-Sanitary-Hose-Barb-Pipe-Fitting-SS-SUS316-Tri-Clamp-OD-50-5MM-Ferrule/273270257448?hash=item3fa02d3728:g:cdEAAOxy7nNTWg37&_sacat=0&_nkw=1/2"+barb+tri+clamp&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313 another $60 in saving
and those are for the type you'll find in most small breweries.. and there are multiple places to find the TC based nema plug elements for as little as $14 plus shipping.. even ebay has them for $50 shipped.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brewing-Heater-5500w-240v-Heating-Element-2-Tri-clamp-Electric-Locking-Plug/323186402398?hash=item4b3f69245e:g:5U8AAOSwDFBaJR1K&_sacat=0&_nkw=5500w+tri+clamp+element&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313 about $50 in savings.
The TC clamps...sell for about $2.50-$3 each so $66 for twelve is about double the going rate. https://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-Sing...041706463?epid=8021093985&hash=item33ee5259df about $30 in savings. I'm sure theres a lot more but these are all things I have bought many of so the prices jumped out at me..
You can bet the people building these systems arent buying the parts from other homebrewing shops so why would you use them and their retail markups to do a cost breakdown? just my thoughts on it ..
I disagree. I think a reasonable person would research what they need and buy the best components for the best prices based upon what they are and what they do.. If you feel a $10 barbed fitting through a middleman who likely buys them in bulk for $3 is somehow better than the same fitting directly from where it's made for $5 than more power to you. To me one of the key reasons to DIY is also to save and not overspend.I was not using those numbers as a comparison for a system builder. They were priced as a consumer DIY. A reasonable DIY person would buy components from home brew shops, hence the prices and the beer math. That cost represents the rough amount a consumer would pay to piece out a system using similar components attempting to answer the question of is it a good value to me as a consumer.
Well said. I agree. CheersI disagree. I think a reasonable person would research what they need and buy the best components for the best prices based upon what they are and what they do.. If you feel a $10 barbed fitting through a middleman who likely buys them in bulk for $3 is somehow better than the same fitting directly from where it's made for $5 than more power to you. To me one of the key reasons to DIY is also to save and not overspend.
Almost there! Hoping we can start pre-orders early to mid next week! Pictures of the kit will be out soon. Had a bit of a delay with one piece. We will make the announcement here as well as soon as it is available! Thank you!
Any chance you will have a pre-order option for just the kettle and basket?
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