Golden Syrup

[MTBREWDOG]

Hi all,
I'm currently brewing a clone of McEwan's Scotch Ale and they call for Lyle's Golden Syrup. I can't find it any place here in Missoula. I've searched in specialty grocery stores, regular grocery stores, brew stores ect... I'm looking to see if anyone knows possibly where I can get the stuff in the states or if anyone knows any substitution. Corn syrup just won't cut it. I tasted the stuff and hell if I'm putting that in my beer. I'd rather use some sort of sugar. Anyhow any advice would be really handy.

Cheers!

Joe

 

[ChshreCat]

In baking, I've heard you can substitute equal parts of light corn syrup and honey for it or 2 parts light corn syrup and one part molasses, but it's not QUITE the same.

Could order it online if you have the time... http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BTB66M/ref=asc_df_B000BTB66M950018?smid=AJ4U3K1OKLK8K&tag=dealtmp1-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B000BTB66M

 

[BioBeing]

I just got some at my local fresh market.

http://www.thefreshmarket.com/online-market/detail.aspx?ID=221

 

[Poobah58]

Whole Foods carries it...

 

[Orfy]

If all else fails then try making an invert sugar syrup.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

You can find it at World Market if you have one near you. It will be bloody expensive though.

edit: [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Tate-Lyles-Golden-Syrup-454g/dp/B000BTB66M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1257006177&sr=8-3"]Amazon
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[menschmaschine]

I've seen this popping up in local supermarkets more and more. It's usually in the sugar syrup section and some supermarkets have even added a British section with teas, biscuits, Heinz Baked Beans, Mushy Peas and the REAL Cadbury Chocolate (not the stuff made on contract by Hershey).

I use LGS frequently in Bitters and other British beers. It usually runs about $5+ here in the states. It's only around 50p in the UK!

 

[Austinhomebrew]

You can find it at World Market if you have one near you. It will be bloody expensive though.

edit: [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Tate-Lyles-Golden-Syrup-454g/dp/B000BTB66M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1257006177&sr=8-3"]Amazon
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That isn't really shipping from Amazon so his cost would be $11.73 for a tin.
And you would never know when it will show up if it shows up.

We always carry it if you cant find it locally:
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=427

Forrest

 

[joety]

Bump: I'm brewing a Wee Heavy tomorrow and was hoping to substitute Jaggery for Lyle's. Looking for feedback.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

We always carry it if you cant find it locally:
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=427

Forrest

I enjoyed your write up of the product. When i was a kid in the UK I even ate T&L sandwiches!

 

[MTBREWDOG]

Thanks all!! I'm going to go check out a few more places and then substitute brown sugar... I know it won't be the same but I've had minor success with it.

I hear the stuff is pricey. I just don't know why the LHBS's don't carry it... I mean enough British recipes call for it...

Orfy -- How might a guy make his own invert sugar syrup?

Cheers!

Joe

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Thanks all!! I'm going to go check out a few more places and then substitute brown sugar... I know it won't be the same but I've had minor success with it.

I hear the stuff is pricey. I just don't know why the LHBS's don't carry it... I mean enough British recipes call for it...

Orfy -- How might a guy make his own invert sugar syrup?

Cheers!

Joe

I use dark brown sugar in my bitter recipes. A better substitute though would be demerara sugar if you want to stay in style.

 

[MTBREWDOG]

Sweet thanks! If I can't find LGS this morning I'll be picking some of that up to try.

Cheers!

Joe

 

[Austinhomebrew]

Thanks all!! I'm going to go check out a few more places and then substitute brown sugar... I know it won't be the same but I've had minor success with it.

I hear the stuff is pricey. I just don't know why the LHBS's don't carry it... I mean enough British recipes call for it...

Orfy -- How might a guy make his own invert sugar syrup?

Cheers!

Joe

LHBS used to carry it because the homebrew distributor used to carry it. They stopped carrying it.

Forrest

 

[ChshreCat]

Probably have better luck looking in the baking section of the grocery store than a LHBS

 

[Orfy]

Thanks all!! I'm going to go check out a few more places and then substitute brown sugar... I know it won't be the same but I've had minor success with it.

I hear the stuff is pricey. I just don't know why the LHBS's don't carry it... I mean enough British recipes call for it...

Orfy -- How might a guy make his own invert sugar syrup?

Cheers!

Joe

Add a bit of acid (lemon/citric) and boil.

 

[Orfy]

with water

 

[ChshreCat]

Add a bit of acid (lemon/citric) and boil.

Dang... you had my interest there for a moment until you threw in (lemon/citirc).

 

[Orfy]

citirc?

Citric.

not lsd.

 

[ChshreCat]

If anyone is still following this and/or is interested. I was in my local grocery store last night (QFC) and happened to notice Lyles Golden Syrup. They had it on the top shelf in the section with the pancake syrup. Hope that helps anyone else trying to find it at their stores.

 

[joety]

Do you recall the price?

I tried our local grocery store and they never heard of it. I checked the sugar and syrup sections just to be sure. They did have demerara and turbinado.

 

[Grimtas]

My SWMBO is English and orders from http://www.foodireland.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=british all the time their shipping is fast and reasonable. It's also the site from the Amazon link above.
They have an A+ BBB rating as well and located in NY.

At the end of the day it's way cheaper then the trips we make across the pond and ship boxes of supplies back home

 

[brewt00l]

In the north east, Wegmans carries it too.

 

[ChshreCat]

Do you recall the price?

I didn't notice. I just saw it was there and filed that information away as I walked past. I'll check the price next time I'm in.

 

[riromero]

Make it yourself! Golden syrup is roughly 50/50 invert sugar syrup and sucrose (table sugar). You need at least 1/1000th amount of acid per amount of plain table sugar by weight, add water and boil for 20 minutes. Easy. The longer it boils, the darker it gets, so stop when you think it's golden enough. For the acid, I use Cream of Tartar from the grocery store because it seems the most flavor neutral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_sugar_syrup

First I make a sucrose syrup by adding just enough hot water to dissolve 4 cups of plain old sugar. Adding extra cream of tartar doesn't hurt so next I put in the smallest amount I can measure: 1/4 teaspoon Cream of Tartar. Bring it to a boil and cook for 20 minutes, stirring once in awhile. That's it. I can't tell the difference between this and Lyle's Golden Syrup, but if you want you can mix your now inverted sugar with an equal amount of sucrose syrup (that you cooked without Cream of Tartar) to get closer to what is actually in the can.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

But have you tasted Lyle's? It is amazing. Also, who wants to work sub minimum wage? If you consider your time, it costs you more to make it than buy it.

Please taste Lyles first so you know whether you have come close if you make it yourself.

Forrest

 

[riromero]

If I start considering my time, then I'll have to quit homebrewing altogether.

And I can't really tell the difference, but then I don't have the most discerning palette either. But the main reason I make it is because it's so hard to find where I live and I haven't planned ahead enough to order it in advance.

But have you tasted Lyle's? It is amazing. Also, who wants to work sub minimum wage? If you consider your time, it costs you more to make it than buy it.

Please taste Lyles first so you know whether you have come close if you make it yourself.

Forrest

 

[Austinhomebrew]

Order some now for when you will need it later...

http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=427

Just sayin'

Forrest

 

[riromero]

...and it may be blasphemy, but you can also make a bunch of other good stuff out of it besides beer if you have too much.

Order some now for when you will need it later...

http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=427

Just sayin'

Forrest

 

[joety]

My SWMBO is English and orders from http://www.foodireland.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=british all the time their shipping is fast and reasonable. It's also the site from the Amazon link above.
They have an A+ BBB rating as well and located in NY.

At the end of the day it's way cheaper then the trips we make across the pond and ship boxes of supplies back home

Good price. You have to order a minimum of five at $3.29 each. Shipping was about ten bucks, bringing your per can cost to just over $5. Most places I've seen charge close to $6 w/o shipping.