Actually I don't.
Sounds like something I would do just to be smart@$$.
The SWMBO and I went up north to a micro brewery that has a bent canoe paddle as its logo. All sorts of hipsters sitting around with suspenders and shaved sides of their heads drinking beer and having a good time.
Us old people walk in and and wait in line to get a couple of flights along with Nitro samples. The two hipsters behind us are talking about their selections, "Man, that last Nitro Cold Press Stout really woke me up, who knew that nitrous oxide could do that? Last time I had a cavity filled, they had me huff the stuff and I feel asleep."
My loving German (AKA, no filter) wife spun around and said, "I think you confused Nitrogen with Nitrous Oxide and I think its the coffee that woke you up last time you had it, not the nitro."
Blank look, slowly realizing his mistake, his eyes open really wide and says, "Really? The dentist used coffee to put me to sleep?
My wife just turned around and said, "God, just get me a beer, please?!?"
Was this in Duluth mn.?Don't be silly, Indeed is in Minnetonka......Indeed, are YOU the Hipster?
Actually I don't.
Neither do I.
Don't be silly, Indeed is in Minnetonka......
Well, actually I believe Indeed is located in Nordeast
I wish I didn't, but I do...sometimes
In some threads you're quite the winner.
In others... #FailAtQuoting
Ha, yeah I suck
story of my life
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Man drinking imperial stout at local micro: "Wow, this has a lot of coffee going on"
Brewer: "There's actually no coffee in this batch, we sometimes put some in though"
Man: "wow where do those flavors come from then, the hops?"
Brewer: "...yeah"
Sounds like a classic case of the blind leading the blind. Maybe the employee was a growler filler and not the actual brewer.
Sounds like the brewer just gave up and wanted to end the discussion. I have had to do that at work with some people who don't want to process what is being said.
Heineken commercial just said "made from only 3 natural ingredients." Made me laugh, but then it made me think. They would obviously know how to count, so they didn't accidentally miscount. Which makes me think that the key word there is "natural." Must mean they use hop oil instead of hops. I got a good giggle at first, and then my mind went into over analyzing mode.
They just forget to count the water.
Heineken commercial just said "made from only 3 natural ingredients." Made me laugh, but then it made me think. They would obviously know how to count, so they didn't accidentally miscount. Which makes me think that the key word there is "natural." Must mean they use hop oil instead of hops. I got a good giggle at first, and then my mind went into over analyzing mode.
That is funny (or sad?) but with Gulden Draak being on the menu they can call the Guinness whatever they like.
I find this strange, cause I seem to recall there being something in multiple episodes of the Dogfish Head Brewmasters show where they talked about having to use some hops in all of their beer for some legal reason....or was that malt? Should look up what that is all about.
Does anyone here have a un-hopped recipe that is any good? Or anything that is actually funny?
The website gruitale.com presumably has a few recipes.
There are several good ones (un-hopped beers, that is, not funny things) in the book Sacred and Healing Herbal Beers, with a focus on those with some mildly entheogenic properties such as yarrow. The historical part of the book is about 7/10ths bull****, but still fun to read.
Check the section on the recipe database on fruit and herb beers, especially for the ones marked 'gruit'. I don't know which ones are actually any good, though.
I did find these in a forum search on 'gruit'
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=204033
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=237269
Keep in mind, however, the main reason hops came to dominate over other herbs in beer: it's antibacterial properties.
TL: DR Beer is not required to have hops.
I while researching the chemisty behind skunked beer I read the following and got a little chuckle.
"In fact, American and German beers are required by law to contain at least a small amount of hops." http://www.professorbeer.com/articles/skunked_beer.html
But then I thought "Well, I know that the Reinheitsgebot limited beer ingredients to barley, hops, and water. But are all three required. And what about US laws."
So I got my nerd on and looked up the US law.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...a1ae108e6c&mc=true&n=pt27.1.25&r=PART&ty=HTML
Title 27 → Chapter I → Subchapter A → Part 25 → Subpart B → §25.11 Defines beer as
" Beer. Beer, ale, porter, stout, and other similar fermented beverages (including saké and similar products) of any name or description containing one-half of one percent or more of alcohol by volume, brewed or produced from malt, wholly or in part, or from any substitute for malt. Standards for the production of beer appear in §25.15."
Checking on §25.15 "Materials for the production of beer", we find the following.
(a) Beer must be brewed from malt or from substitutes for malt. Only rice, grain of any kind, bran, glucose, sugar, and molasses are substitutes for malt. In addition, you may also use the following materials as adjuncts in fermenting beer: honey, fruit, fruit juice, fruit concentrate, herbs, spices, and other food materials.
(There is a paragraph (b) but it only discusses additional sources of alcohol.)
So, I find no basis in US law that requires the use of hops in beer.
(I also found funny that the US govt definition of beer doesn't specifically mention lager, but includes ale, porter, stout and saké.)
Yes, I know, I have a strange sense of humor. :fro:
I highly doubt the US or various state governments care about style guidelines or recipe choices. I'm assuming these laws are more concerned with how a product should be taxed. I'm sure they're not saying you can't sell an unhopped beer, rather that it will probably be taxed as a wine, or malt beverage instead.
I'm gonna go ahead and say a cider is a cider.
I died a little inside when I served my wife Duchess de Bourgeon in a ball jar with ice because that's how she wanted it...
A local brewpub tapped a new sour and I was asking the bartender what style it is. "It's a sour." Yes, but do you know what style? "Well it's like.. sour, so it has like a bitter sour taste." Mmm that sounds good, I'll have that.
It's a Berliner Wiess with a subtle amount of apricot added. Delicious. The staff really should get some lessons on beer styles. At least be familiar with their own offerings.
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