Freshcraft

[Ricand]

I have to say if I had a group and we were waiting for a table for a long time and another group waltzed in and sat at it. I'd expect the management to ask them to vacate it for my party. If that group refused, I'd expect the management to MAKE them vacate it for my party. Perhaps shoving out the door isn't the right way, but what should they do, call the cops?

 

[viking73]

I have to say if I had a group and we were waiting for a table for a long time and another group waltzed in and sat at it. I'd expect the management to ask them to vacate it for my party. If that group refused, I'd expect the management to MAKE them vacate it for my party. Perhaps shoving out the door isn't the right way, but what should they do, call the cops?

If they won't leave when asked by management nicely then yes. God knows they don't have anything better to do

 

[bigbeergeek]

I believe the party had already moved. The pushing out the door business was a delayed reaction.

 

[Homercidal]

Is this it? Are we done?

I sincerely hope to see this on "Caught on Camera!"

 

[riverfrontbrewer]

Trolling this morning?

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Yknow what I just realized... I've never seen a hostess or other female beverage service worker in New York cry after abuse from a patron. They are seriously tough chicks as a rule.

I know I would personally never dream of getting froggy with one, for fear that the cute girl behind the bar give me an embarrassingly savage beating.

So, either 1) Denver truly is a kinder gentler place than New York or 2) Hernando's story holds more water than I originally thought...

 

[CreamyGoodness]

If customers being huge horrible jerks is really that rare in Denver... I think ultimately this is a story about how awesome Denver is.

 

[CJinDENVER]

Anyone else find it odd that the owner never denied the act of violence? Or even justified the type of reaction? Sounds like admitted guilt for that part of the story.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

It sounded more like a brusque nudging than actual violence actually (I think if a person had felt truly assaulted he would have either assaulted back or gotten the police involved depending on the person). The thing I dont understand is how little was made by both sides about a hostess and a WIFE being cursed out.

I'm definitely not a big fighter, nor am I the toughest of guys, but curse out my fiance and there might be a hole in your roof where I shot through it like a rocket. (IE Id be really seriously pissed).

 

[riverfrontbrewer]

CJ, welcome to HBT...always good to see another Denver member.

I am wondering though, did you join just to partake in this discussion? Were you the other family members that Hernando mentioned?

As far as your 3 part question goes...no, no, I think you are reading to much into the answer to get what your looking for.

 

[LVBen]

Anyone else find it odd that the owner never denied the act of violence? Or even justified the type of reaction? Sounds like admitted guilt for that part of the story.

Hi, I'm God, and I was there at the time of the supposed incident. In no way did the owner commit any acts of physical violence. However, he did pull down his zipper and pee on Hernando's shoes.

 

[DarkPhyre]

Anyone else find it odd that the owner never denied the act of violence? Or even justified the type of reaction? Sounds like admitted guilt for that part of the story.

or that he was drunk. I would NEVER go to a place where the owner wonders around drunk. IF the highest position can't handle himself in a professional manor, how am I to expect his crew?

P.S. When you have been asked to leave a private business you are expected to make a prompt retreat out. Otherwise its trespassing, the owners have a legal right to PHYSICALLY remove if necessary, any retaliation becomes assault/battery on the persons there illegally.

 

[Jakemo]

or that he was drunk. I would NEVER go to a place where the owner wonders around drunk. IF the highest position can't handle himself in a professional manor, how am I to expect his crew?

P.S. When you have been asked to leave a private business you are expected to make a prompt retreat out. Otherwise its trespassing, the owners have a legal right to PHYSICALLY remove if necessary, any retaliation becomes assault/battery on the persons there illegally.

It was GABF in Denver last week. Freshcraft is not only walking distance from the convention center where GABF is held, but is also a premier spot for an excellent craft beer experience. Not surprisingly, loads of special beer-related events were taking place at Freshcraft last week.

"Wondering (wandering) around drunk" is almost guaranteed *not* to be what the owner was doing. Participating in taking special tappings, most probably. Do we know the actual state of sobriety of either party beyond hearsay? No, we don't. I would suggest discretion in our assumptions about what really happened.

Btw, your PS makes and excellent point.

 

[RDWHAHB]

Anyone else find it odd that the owner never denied the act of violence? Or even justified the type of reaction? Sounds like admitted guilt for that part of the story.

Quite honestly I don't find it odd. I wasn't there, but the Freshcraft account of events sounds more plausible to me.

 

[Acoma]

Until further details are provided, I can not willingly patronize Freshcraft nor can I serve alcohol to Hernando, his BIL, or his wife.

 

[JoeyChopps]

Hi, I'm God, and I was there at the time of the supposed incident. In no way did the owner commit any acts of physical violence. However, he did pull down his zipper and pee on Hernando's shoes.

Off topic u arent watching me during my "private time" are u?

 

[LVBen]

Off topic u arent watching me during my "private time" are u?

No, I look the other way for those 3 hours everyday.

 

[509inc]

Seems like a few others share the negative feelings for Freshcraft after I googled reviews of the place. The OP is not the only one who has had words and been shoved by staff.

 

[SenorPepe]

P.S. When you have been asked to leave a private business you are expected to make a prompt retreat out. Otherwise its trespassing, the owners have a legal right to PHYSICALLY remove if necessary, any retaliation becomes assault/battery on the persons there illegally.

This is a good point. Although I don't think (Disclaimer:not a lawyer, didn't even check Wikipedia) that simply asking someone to leave gives the owner license to use any and all force to remove the patron. I would assume it would still be assault on the owner's part if he asked him to leave and then 30 seconds later came over and cock-punched the guy.

 

[Airborneguy]

If the person is not posing an immediate threat, and the owner merely wants them to leave, they have absolutely no right to use force. The recourse is to call the police to have them removed. Most bouncers operate in a VERY gray area legally, and as a profession they are frequently arrested for stepping over the line.

 

[LVBen]

This is a good point. Although I don't think (Disclaimer:not a lawyer, didn't even check Wikipedia) that simply asking someone to leave gives the owner license to use any and all force to remove the patron. I would assume it would still be assault on the owner's part if he asked him to leave and then 30 seconds later came over and cock-punched the guy.

I've seen several times where security guards kicked someone out of a casino or club. Usually the security guards gently press their hands into the peoples' backs in the direction of the nearest exit. No one is likely to get in legal trouble for doing that. They'd definitely better be careful any time that they are doing that, because if they cause someone to trip down stairs or something like that and someone gets injured, then the business could be in some legal trouble.

 

[chapa]

This was an incredibly entertaining read! I don't think you ever fessed up to whether or not you DID seat yourself. Surely you didn't know they were saving it for a party, but if that was the case, why wouldn't you have been more understanding?? It sounds like they told you they were reserving the table for a party and you argued with them...not that it justifies his actions, but it makes sense why they would have been a little irritated with your table. Lets not breeze over the details here...why did you feel that they were treating you unfairly BEFORE the owner came into play?

 

[Pascal]

I'm running out of popcorn people!

 

[originalben]

I heard that the table was reserved for Lady Gaga and her entourage who were attempting to set up a theater in the round type nude performance of Equus at Freshcraft...that certainly didn't help matters...

 

[TalonBrew]

I was there this weekend. Quite possible saw this. If it's the altercation we witnessed, then Hernando's account is mostly true, however somewhat watered down. From where we sat, it looked like the owner's account was closer to the truth.

Everyone was very nice to us, no one appeared drunk and the place was busy as hell. They were just trying to handle a GABF rush.

For all those saying they wouldn't patronize the place, good. More room for those of us who like it there.

 

[Jakemo]

I was there this weekend. Quite possible saw this. If it's the altercation we witnessed, then Hernando's account is mostly true, however somewhat watered down. From where we sat, it looked like the owner's account was closer to the truth.

Everyone was very nice to us, no one appeared drunk and the place was busy as hell. They were just trying to handle a GABF rush.

For all those saying they wouldn't patronize the place, good. More room for those of us who like it there.

Amen brotha!