Firestone Walker Wookey Jack Clone Attempt

[juggabrew]

I brewed this a couple months ago , and it turned out friggin PHENOMINAL. I upped the hops a lot , mine was closer to 90 IBUs, and I dry hopped it even more. One of the best beers I've brewed yet.
Also, for those of you who are in the Denver area and having trouble finding the grains, Go to quirky homebrew! He has 158 different types of grains, all at great prices. It's in Thornton near 112th and Huron.


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Ive been going to brew hut and the only thing they didn't have was the cara-rye. I substituted C80. Ill check out quirky home-brew if its not too far of a drive. Im in congress park. Thanks for the tip

 

[samandbekah]

Did anyone else have an issue with this beer coming out real sweet climates to the original? Mine finished at 1.017 and my friends came out at 1.018. I feel like to sweetness/maltiness detracts from the beer a little. Still very delicious so I can't really complain.

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What temperature did you mash at?

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[troglodytes]

What temperature did you mash at?

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I was involved in the mashing of both batches.

Mine (1.017) was mashed at 146F for 60 minutes, then 154F for 30 minutes.
My friend's batch (1.018) was mashed a 146F for 60 minutes and 155F for 30 minutes.

Now I know (looking back at the OP) the 155F degree step was for only 10 minutes. We did the second step for both batches for an extra 20 minutes kind of by accident, but figured the majority of the sugar extraction would have occurred during the 60 minute step at 146-147F and shouldn't have much bearing on the overall fermentability of the wort. Also note that despite the added mash step time at 155F, both of us missed the preboil gravity by a substantial amount (1.072 and 1.074).

 

[mtnagel]

Just want to say thanks for the great recipe! Tastes great. Thankfully I didn't get any of the grassy Amarillo hops.

 

[samandbekah]

Looks fantastic man... Truly one if the best tasting beers on the planet

 

[mtnagel]

Thanks! Agreed.

 

[sk888smooth]

I've decided to make this brew my house IPA. Will forever now have it on tap (unless it runs out before I can replenish, which will probably be the case!)

 

[bigmike99]

Swapped out the Amarillo for cascade and used 2 packs of rehydrated us04. Down from 1.075-1.02 in a week and just dropped round 1 of dry hop in. Smells great already.

 

[samandbekah]

I've decided to make this brew my house IPA. Will forever now have it on tap (unless it runs out before I can replenish, which will probably be the case!)

I wish you good luck in achieving this as I've failed to succeed myself lol it just goes down so smooth!

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[mtnagel]

Mine is now 5 weeks in the keg after ~10 days primary (1 dry hop in primary, 1 dry hop in keg) and I now think this might be my best beer. Thanks for the recipe.

 

[AR-Josh]

How much difference is using "carafa III special" going to make versus "carafa III?" My home brew store only carries the "special" versions of carafa. Should I use something else instead? I know the "special" version is debittered.

 

[mtnagel]

It's supposed to be the "Special" version. This is in the first post:

From Firestone Walker's website:
Style: Unfiltered Black Rye IPA
ABV: 8.5%
Malts: Pale Malt, Malted Rye, Dash of Cara-Rye, Midnight Wheat from Briess, De-Bittered Black Malt (Weyermann - Germany/Patagonia malting - Chile), Dash of Wookey dust
Hops: German Magnum (bittering), Citra & Amarillo (flavor/aroma and double dry-hopped)

 

[AR-Josh]

It's supposed to be the "Special" version. This is in the first post:

And reading is fundamental. Thanks for pointing that out. DOH!

 

[mtnagel]

Not your fault. The recipe doesn't say Special, so it is a bit confusing. I used the de-bittered version in mine.

 

[dobe12]

Brewed mine this past weekend. I tweaked the recipe just slightly to better hit the numbers as stated on this site and Firestone Walker's site. My fermentation fridge smells fantastic! Very excited for this beer. Thanks for the write up, OP.

 

[dobe12]

Kegged this yesterday and am slightly disappointed. My FG came in at 1.023. I used yeast collected from another beer and thinking it may just have crapped out where it did. The previous beer was on the higher gravity/ABV end. Should have started with fresh yeast. 72% attenuation isn't terrible, but I was hoping to get this down around 1.015 or lower. Oh well, live and learn. It's not terrible. Just a little thicker/sweeter than expected/wanted. I may try a different yeast next time around. Something with a higher attenuation and a bit cleaner.

EDIT: Ok I just gave it a taste after sitting on the gas for two days and I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised. I was concerned with the FG of 1.023, but it tastes damn good. The uge hop aroma and flavor up front that mellows but still hangs around for bit really helps balance the high FG. I wouldn't say it's perfect clone, but not too far off.

 

[JonW]

Great looking recipe. I just added this to my TO DO list!

 

[jason91notch]

Thought I would post a pic of mine. Best personal homebrew to date.





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[sk888smooth]

Got this back on tap for the third time brewing it - It is my house brew from now until I can potentially find something better (Will be a while)

 

[m00se]

Recently kegged my 2nd attempt at this recipe but this time with Conan and it came out fantastic. It's such a great recipe. Thank you for sharing. It's easily my favorite black IPA recipe out there.

Give Conan a shot in this and the fruity hops play nicely with the subtle roast.

 

[joyceman]

Cara Rye is a tough ingrediant to find. Any thoughts on if you can sub in chocolate rye instead?

 

[samandbekah]

Cara Rye is a tough ingrediant to find. Any thoughts on if you can sub in chocolate rye instead?

Joyceman - try love2brew.com they have it and ship very fast if you are in the northeast

 

[BPal75]

Can't really sub chocolate rye for cara rye. Totally different - one is heated to carmelize the sugars giving sweetness, the other is Kilned then roasted to give more bitter/nutty flavors.

If you must sub, I would use a bit of crystal 60 and a bit of rye before I used chocolate rye.


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[olotti]

Can someone help me here. I'm inputing this into beersmith for the future and my mash efficiency is calculated to 72% which is around where I've been the first 4 batches I've done. So I had to adjust the grainbill for my efficiencty which increased the 2 row and the rye malt. OG is now 1.080 but the FG won't change and its at 1.021 thereby lowering the overall ABV to 7.8. What do I need to change to lower the FG and up the abv? The IBU's look good at 61.9 and the color is a little lower at 31.6 but Beersmith doesn't have Cara-rye or midnight wheat in it's database so I had to substitute carared and chocolate malt which may have altered the color. Thanks for any help.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Double click the yeast and change the attenuation.

 

[olotti]

Double click the yeast and change the attenuation.

Ok thanks when I changed it to max attenuation of 85% it dropped FG to 1.015 and abv to 8.6%.

Is this clone still being brewed with the Cara-rye and midnight wheat?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Ok thanks when I changed it to max attenuation of 85% it dropped FG to 1.015 and abv to 8.6%.



Is this clone still being brewed with the Cara-rye and midnight wheat?

Yes

 

[samandbekah]

Ok thanks when I changed it to max attenuation of 85% it dropped FG to 1.015 and abv to 8.6%.

Is this clone still being brewed with the Cara-rye and midnight wheat?

Yes, I've been using this recipe to the T and the results have been fantastic, very, very very hard to tell the difference in a blind taste test

 

[Francis]

New issue of Zymurgy has a recipe for Wookey. Very close to this recipe. I need to brew this one again.


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[troglodytes]

Yes, I've been using this recipe to the T and the results have been fantastic, very, very very hard to tell the difference in a blind taste test

Its unbelievably close. Me and a friend brewed up separate batches then did a three way blind test with the real thing. All three were pretty much identical, with the only difference being more hops aroma from the two home brews, just because they were fresher. This will be my house beer for a long time.