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[Gonzoillini1]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/ct-food-baderbrau-brewing-auction-chicago-20180718-story.html

Some of the stuff up for auction is just kind of sad, but there are certainly some deals to be had if you are in the industry.

 

[Ferowcious]

Two questions: when did we become The Heartland

When they realized the rest of the plains states offer no significant culinary contributions, so they double dipped Midwest

 

[yeahnatenelson]

When they realized the rest of the plains states offer no significant culinary contributions, so they double dipped Midwest

Your story checks out, although an Iowa Corn Dog-flavored potato chip might be interesting.

 

[ChaQuiseman]

Iowa Corn Dog-flavored potato chip

Are those supposed to be dipped in ketchup or something?

 

[flyingbison]

Now I want a hot dog

 

[Gonzoillini1]

Now I want a hot dog

Honestly this thread is why I went to Portillos for lunch this afternoon ($5 for x2 hot dogs this week).

I blame yeahnatenelson and furley for the direction this thread has taken.

 

[fear0251]

Speaking of hot dogs. It turns out that hot dogs with mustard "make drunkards".

 

[furley]

Speaking of hot dogs. It turns out that hot dogs with mustard "make drunkards".

this explains a lot, really

 

[yeahnatenelson]

Are those supposed to be dipped in ketchup or something?

I feel attacked rn

 

[flyingbison]

Speaking of hot dogs. It turns out that hot dogs with mustard "make drunkards".

That's certainly been true for me

PS - someone fire up the Mustard thread

 

[jdhende]

https://chicago.eater.com/2018/7/16...-logan-square-chinese-asian-brewpub-bo-fowler

Is it a problem that this brewpub is supposedly a week or two away from opening but has no details about its beer/brewing plans?

Their master brewer Eymard Freir worked previously at Prairie Krafts. Super topical.

I do not have high hopes for the beer. If the food is from the folks at Owen and Engine though, then we will have another very good restaurant in the city to indulge at.

 

[yeahnatenelson]

I do not have high hopes for the beer. If the food is from the folks at Owen and Engine though, then we will have another very good restaurant in the city to indulge at.

I can't believe it's actually happening. I remember the beverage director at O&E talking about this back in 2013. Just think: back then there were no ramen restaurants in Logan Square. Now there are only ramen restaurants in Logan Square.

 

[TheJB]

I can't believe it's actually happening. I remember the beverage director at O&E talking about this back in 2013. Just think: back then there were no ramen restaurants in Logan Square. Now there are only ramen restaurants in Logan Square.

*Ramen Square

 

[DiscountMegaMall4ever]

I can't believe it's actually happening. I remember the beverage director at O&E talking about this back in 2013. Just think: back then there were no ramen restaurants in Logan Square. Now there are only ramen restaurants in Logan Square.

So the ship has sailed?
http://www.chicagonow.com/raising-world-citizens/2013/09/bring-wagamama-restaurant-to-chicago/

 

[Ferowcious]

I can't believe it's actually happening. I remember the beverage director at O&E talking about this back in 2013. Just think: back then there were no ramen restaurants in Logan Square. Now there are only ramen restaurants in Logan Square.

I'd love to see some data on concentration of ramen joints and the rise in home values. We may have found the key to understanding the path of Chicago gentrification.




Edit: Pilsen has a Furious Spoon now?

 

[yeahnatenelson]

Edit: Pilsen has a Furious Spoon now?

Well, yeah. I mean, [insert callous joke about gentrification].

 

[trickytunadicky]

Well, yeah. I mean, [insert callous joke about gentrification].

Last time we were at Thalia Hall for a show (the night I got embarrassingly ripped on a "carafe" of punch that was clearly a 64 oz pitcher), one of the nearby restaurants definitely had anti-gentrification graffiti on it. Something along the lines of "get out whitey" but again, I got trashed on punch, thinking I was ordering 4 drinks for 2 people and not 6... oops.

Have I mentioned that Punch House is a deal and a half?

 

[ThatJackOC]

Speaking of hot dogs. It turns out that hot dogs with mustard "make drunkards".

The *entire* sausage vignette has been worth it for this.

 

[vav1]

sausage vignette

Beer name.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Speaking of hot dogs. It turns out that hot dogs with mustard "make drunkards".

Nothing like some good ole anti-Germin ethnocentrism.

 

[flyingbison]

Beer mustard has been around forever, but how long before we have mustard beer. Deep thoughts.

 

[danbanana]

one of the nearby restaurants definitely had anti-gentrification graffiti on it.

"Gringos out of Pilsen" was a common- and justified--slogan in that neighborhood circa 2003-2004. There were a series of issues with real estate groups using strong arm tactics to try to get people to sell their property and even some suspicious fires. The housing crash delayed it but us ******* white people will find a way won't we?

 

[flyingbison]

"Gringos out of Pilsen"

That's hilariously ironic.

 

[lambandtunaphish]

Beer mustard has been around forever, but how long before we have mustard beer. Deep thoughts.

https://untappd.com/b/cisco-brewers-inc-walter-s-mustard-saison/2338798

 

[Gonzoillini1]

"Gringos out of Pilsen" was a common- and justified--slogan in that neighborhood circa 2003-2004. There were a series of issues with real estate groups using strong arm tactics to try to get people to sell their property and even some suspicious fires. The housing crash delayed it but us ******* white people will find a way won't we?

Maybe I'm too close to the forest to see the trees, but I've always thought a Hispanic owned brewpub (7bbl or smaller) would do killer in Little Village. Or maybe it's just my desire to drink a couple of beers after getting my haircut and eating at Birrieria Zaragoza.

18th Street in Pilsen certainly looks a lot different today than it did 10 or 20 years, but I think on the whole places like Duseks and the breweries (Alulu, Lo Rez, Moody Tongue) are doing more positive than negative in the area. The housing on the other hand...

 

[trickytunadicky]

Maybe I'm too close to the forest to see the trees, but I've always thought a Hispanic owned brewpub (7bbl or smaller) would do killer in Little Village. Or maybe it's just my desire to drink a couple of beers after getting my haircut and eating at Birrieria Zaragoza.

18th Street in Pilsen certainly looks a lot different today than it did 10 or 20 years, but I think on the whole places like Duseks and the breweries (Alulu, Lo Rez, Moody Tongue) are doing more positive than negative in the area. The housing on the other hand...

Think about the neighborhood around the Rev pub when you first started going there and the neighborhood now. That will tell you everything you need to know about gentrification.

 

[yeahnatenelson]

18th Street in Pilsen certainly looks a lot different today than it did 10 or 20 years, but I think on the whole places like Duseks and the breweries (Alulu, Lo Rez, Moody Tongue) are doing more positive than negative in the area. The housing on the other hand...

The counter-argument, of course, is that these two things go hand-in-hand, that these new establishments cater to would-be gentrifiers and not the people that already live there and while, yes, the Pilsen neighborhood is safer, quieter and now has more amenities than 20 years ago this doesn't do anything for the established residents if they're being pushed all the way out of their neighborhood due to rapidly rising rents.

I wouldn't call this my personal take on what's going on in Pilsen, but I think about it a lot. It's also a big reason why I'd never consider moving there. I'd rather not be viewed as an invading force on my own block.

Think about the neighborhood around the Rev pub when you first started going there and the neighborhood now. That will tell you everything you need to know about gentrification.

I'd argue that gentrification was at full steam by the time Rev opened their brewpub location (rents were already shooting up and the area directly around the square had become fully brunch-ified), but that stretch of Milwaukee is definitely a portent of what will become of 18th Street if there isn't something done to help working-class people stay where they are, either by rent control or improved economic opportunities.

First come the gastropubs, then the mid-rise condos. You'll know it's all over when it's announced that a Lululemon store is coming to the neighborhood.

 

[danbanana]

That's hilariously ironic.

Why? People in that neighborhood fought for years to prevent what eventually happened. That's not ironic; it's sad.

First come the white kids who can't afford the white neighborhoods, then the "artists," then gastropubs, then the mid-rise condos. You'll know it's all over when it's announced that a Lululemon store is coming to the neighborhood.

FTFY. As someone who had friends in the first category in Pilsen and then on Milwaukee in Logan Square, I got firsthand views of what we unintentionally did!

 

[trickytunadicky]

The counter-argument, of course, is that these two things go hand-in-hand, that these new establishments cater to would-be gentrifiers and not the people that already live there and while, yes, the Pilsen neighborhood is safer, quieter and now has more amenities than 20 years ago this doesn't do anything for the established residents if they're being pushed all the way out of their neighborhood due to rapidly rising rents.

I wouldn't call this my personal take on what's going on in Pilsen, but I think about it a lot. It's also a big reason why I'd never consider moving there. I'd rather not be viewed as an invading force on my own block.




I'd argue that gentrification was at full steam by the time Rev opened their brewpub location (rents were already shooting up and the area directly around the square had become fully brunch-ified), but that stretch of Milwaukee is definitely a portent of what will become of 18th Street if there isn't something done to help working-class people stay where they are, either by rent control or improved economic opportunities.

First come the gastropubs, then the mid-rise condos. You'll know it's all over when it's announced that a Lululemon store is coming to the neighborhood.

I get you, and you have lived here way longer than me. It opened right when or just after I moved here so for me it is a pretty good snapshot of a neighborhood changing rapidly in the last decade. Wicker Park was already well done and gone. For Logan Square, the Rev pub was the only gentrified business on the block, parking was plentiful, I remember takinng family there once and being asked “where in the hell are you taking us?” as we cruised past block after block of barred windows. That piece of Chicago and low income housing is long gone. It was actually an interview with fellow Rockford native Riley Walker discussing his time in Logan Square as a broke musician that made me think it was a great example. I would have to dig for the interview, but it was a great read.

 

[trickytunadicky]

I get you, and you have lived here way longer than me. It opened right when or just after I moved here so for me it is a pretty good snapshot of a neighborhood changing rapidly in the last decade. Wicker Park was already well done and gone. For Logan Square, the Rev pub was the only gentrified business on the block, parking was plentiful, I remember takinng family there once and being asked “where in the hell are you taking us?” as we cruised past block after block of barred windows. That piece of Chicago and low income housing is long gone. It was actually an interview with fellow Rockford native Riley Walker discussing his time in Logan Square as a broke musician that made me think it was a great example. I would have to dig for the interview, but it was a great read.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/artic...posite-middle-deafman-glance-stream-interview

Found it.