FIB War Room

[yeahnatenelson]

Didn't Vav or some other Binny's refuse their Black Note allotment a year or two ago because the allotments were ridiculously low and not worth the trouble it would cause by having not even remotely enough go around?

It was Vav. He was offered one case.

 

[gtx281]

It was Vav. He was offered one case.

I get the refusal. But, on the other hand, why not just put the six 4pks on the shelf, Limit 1, and be done with it? Gonna field questions from 500 idiots anyway.

 

[sacrelicio]

you know, based on how the bcbs release this year has gone so far, it would not surprise me in the least if some well-known smaller stores started publicly refusing their bcbs allocations entirely. and it would doubly not surprise me if archer liquors did it first. i cannot imagine the level of frustration the employees feel over what amounts to a couple case allotment that wouldn't even generate the margin you gain in 20 minutes of joe public buying anything else on some random weekend night.

I HATE the super wide distro of that ****. What's the point? Your average geek has no idea where any of it is, you get huge lines for a single case...just dumb all around.

 

[sacrelicio]

I get the refusal. But, on the other hand, why not just put the six 4pks on the shelf, Limit 1, and be done with it? Gonna field questions from 500 idiots anyway.

Because then the show starts...my favorite local store all but stopped announcing beer at all...they just put it out (with a few exceptions like Surly special releases and BCBS). Now they only tweet about wine and liquor (but not VW or BTAC).

 

[yeahnatenelson]

I get the refusal. But, on the other hand, why not just put the six 4pks on the shelf, Limit 1, and be done with it? Gonna field questions from 500 idiots anyway.

Yes, 500 entitled idiots fuming that someone else got Black Note.

 

[gtx281]

Yes, 500 entitled idiots fuming that someone else got Black Note.

Eh, maybe 5 would fume. The other 495 would just go elsewhere.

But yeah, I do get it. One case just ain't worth it.

 

[tinypyramids1]

Dunt your trolling in CCBE (at least i assume it's you) this past week has been brilliant

 

[RedCoffee]

What'd he do? I'm en route to LP Binny's to pick up a case of Vanilla.

 

[trickytunadicky]

What'd he do? I'm en route to LP Binny's to pick up a case of Vanilla.

He's on his way to your house to pick up your wife/mom/sister/cat.

 

[gtx281]

What'd he do? I'm en route to LP Binny's to pick up a case of Vanilla.

You mean Walgreen's, right?

 

[quinnsi]

Case prices of bcbs is around $100 wholesale with bombers closer to $200 or a little more I believe. So Binny's is making $10/4 pack!! I got 3 4 packs of regular in Dixon, IL for $23, Costco $19, guessing WI is still $19/20. So yeah, Binny's and everyone else around here is ******* everyone good.

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Was going off this. Guess I'm horrible at counting bottles in low res pics

So they are making $10/4-pack and bomber. Is that always the usual markup? I'm guessing no.

As a reference point the margins on BCS have increased in Chicagoland to put them more in the wine territory, which is probably fair considering the nonsense / pain in the ass we impose upon retailers who have no good way to sell this stuff (aside from the Archer Liquors model).

Previously it was being sold at typical craft beer margins.

(I can only speak to the Binnys which does typically influence what Mom and Pop shops sell it at).

Cheers!

It's not a standard dollar amount, it's a standard percentage. Binny's margin stayed pretty much the same. It's not line Vegas and Binny's is "setting the line". After taxes and fees, I'd guess Costco made less than $1 per 4pk. (they sold for $18.99 right?) Add in overhead and it's even lower. My guess would be they were using last year's prices, but I could be wrong.

 

[tinypyramids1]

It's not a standard dollar amount, it's a standard percentage. Binny's margin stayed pretty much the same. It's not line Vegas and Binny's is "setting the line". After taxes and fees, I'd guess Costco made less than $1 per 4pk. (they sold for $18.99 right?) Add in overhead and it's even lower. My guess would be they were using last year's prices, but I could be wrong.

i don't think costco got it last year, but i could be wrong. they've been amping up their craft game a bit in the one near me (they had love child #4 for a while). my impression was that they're accepting miniscule margins on their liquor to get people in the door. it works, because i can't remember the last time i walked into costco without spending at least $100 when all i intended to walk in and buy was 4 pounds of butter and a bottle of cognac on a tuesday morning.

 

[quinnsi]

Don't get me started on that Love Child #4 stack they had sitting for weeks.

 

[Gonzoillini1]

It's not a standard dollar amount, it's a standard percentage. Binny's margin stayed pretty much the same. It's not line Vegas and Binny's is "setting the line". After taxes and fees, I'd guess Costco made less than $1 per 4pk. (they sold for $18.99 right?) Add in overhead and it's even lower. My guess would be they were using last year's prices, but I could be wrong.

Nope totally get that, was just stating that the cost didn't jump by the amount that the retail price jumped. A friend who runs a local wine shop was actually pretty happy about that as it makes it less painful for them to up the margins on BCS when Binnys has done it as well. In his words the margins on BCS this year for his shop are closer to the margins he makes on wine as opposed to the lower margins he makes on craft beer.

I've always thought that we are going to get to a place where price has to go up on some of these beers, and I believe the next year or two will finally hit that mark where price finally reaches a point where demand stabilizes a bit. But I'm probably just deluding myself into thinking that.

 

[LSMroz]

It's not line Vegas and Binny's is "setting the line".

It sure seems that way as a consumer. Binny's price is usually the cheapest. Every other spot is usually $1-$5 more per 6-pack or bomber. A local shop sold the last bottle of Prop to my buddy for $36. Where does that price come from? The beer guy knew Binny's was charging $27. I bet if Binny's charged $20, this place would have had it for $25-$28.

 

[foscorelli]

I remember talk about the craft beer bubble bursting and I wasn't sure what that meant, or whether or not it was even possible. Though here in Chicago at least, I think we may have reached the event horizon, the point of no turning back, a slippery slope toward what could be the big bang. ::inserts more cosmic related analogies::

 

[stxSS07]

I remember talk about the craft beer bubble bursting and I wasn't sure what that meant, or whether or not it was even possible. Though here in Chicago at least, I think we may have reached the event horizon, the point of no turning back, a slippery slope toward what could be the big bang. ::inserts more cosmic related analogies::

I read that as the intro to the Twilight Zone.

 

[user 306237]

Not that I'm in a particular hurry, but next year's Black Friday could be something of a watershed moment, particularly if Rare 2.0 is released. That will likely retail for, what, $75? $100?

500 people lined up last year at Binny's and there were nearly 1000 this year. So... 2000 next year? BCS is now the beer you line up for so people are going to keep on lining up for it.

 

[foscorelli]

I read that as the intro to the Twilight Zone.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call Chicago.

 

[middlebrow]

I can envision next years rare BCS release where people line-up to get the bottle, only after they drink it they regress to children playing kick the can, Or maybe vav could be like that telekinesis kid and banishishs asshats from his store to another plane of existence, or maybe black friday morning the trolls had actual troll faces so you could identify hoarders, or or maybe vav and a handful of people are stuck in binnys cellar when a nuclear bomb goes off and a handful of people are left to drink all the BCS for the rest of existence, but just as they crack the first bottle, they realize they've lost their sense of taste. what a twist

 

[Hopping Tiger]

I'm done bragging about Chicago's distro. If you aren't already in the car on the way to the store when the tweet hits you aren't getting New Wood Beer From Cool Rustic Brewer.

It's gotten easier to find good stuff when visiting in-laws in Indianapolis. New Tomes and Tilquin just sitting on shelves.

 

[Dunt1]

I'm done bragging about Chicago's distro. If you aren't already in the car on the way to the store when the tweet hits you aren't getting New Wood Beer From Cool Rustic Brewer.

It's gotten easier to find good stuff when visiting in-laws in Indianapolis. New Tomes and Tilquin just sitting on shelves.

What Tomes have you seen around? New Shelton delivery is suppose to drop any day now.

 

[cosmicevan]

So FIBsters, when did BCBS become hard to get? Were pre-2013 coffee and variants easy to get?

in NY, the first beer release that you had to try to get a bottle was batch 1 BCBVS in 2010. at roughly the same time, i was able to find 2008 and 2007 4 packs on shelves in random spots. the first batch of coffee i bought a bottle, drank it, went back 2 weeks later and bought 2 more bottles (was even given a glass for buying 2 bottles of such a "pricey" beer).

BCBVS batch 1 is what changed the game out here.

 

[Farnsworth]

What Tomes have you seen around? New Shelton delivery is suppose to drop any day now.

I've seen Pissenlit, Bonsbon, Dark White and Chocolate sitting around Chicago.

What makes you think next round is coming soon? I would love some Saison to pop up.

 

[Hopping Tiger]

What Tomes have you seen around? New Shelton delivery is suppose to drop any day now.

I should probably be careful saying new. What I meant by new was I saw bottles in Indy different than the same old ones everyone sees around Chicago. I saw Saison, Etre, and Noel.

 

[Dunt1]

I've seen Pissenlit, Bonsbon, Dark White and Chocolate sitting around Chicago.

What makes you think next round is coming soon? I would love some Saison to pop up.

I think those are old, even though I know the Bris-Bons and Pissenlit is good/non-smokey. I was talking to the guy at La Primera the other day and he said he was expecting the new shipment of Shelton any day now. If Saison pops up, **** is gonna get cleaned out quick.

 

[Dunt1]

I should probably be careful saying new. What I meant by new was I saw bottles in Indy different than the same old ones everyone sees around Chicago. I saw Saison, Etre, and Noel.

Nice, that has me hopeful that we will see Ete on shelves here too then.

 

[Thorpe]

What Tomes have you seen around? New Shelton delivery is suppose to drop any day now.

Any idea if Prairie is coming back soon as well?

 

[stxSS07]

in NY, the first beer release that you had to try to get a bottle was batch 1 BCBVS in 2010. at roughly the same time, i was able to find 2008 and 2007 4 packs on shelves in random spots. the first batch of coffee i bought a bottle, drank it, went back 2 weeks later and bought 2 more bottles (was even given a glass for buying 2 bottles of such a "pricey" beer).

BCBVS batch 1 is what changed the game out here.

IL = NY?

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[cosmicevan]

IL = NY?

ha ha...in your dreams

edit: i was answering more about the 'scene' as opposed to chicago specific. i would imagine it was similar around the country since i was trading at the time and vanilla batch 1 was a very in demand beer on the trading scene.