Brewtarget 2.0 Update

[MT2sum]

Just a quick question - again - ....
Due to the latest Micro$haft security updates, I no longer have access to most of the docs and vids on my desktop (says I need elevation) ... i've gone through all of the different fixes mentioned on the net, and no joy!
What I did figure out was to create a new user (#2 account) and give him administrative rights, and then transfer all of my files/videos/info from the original administrator/user (#1 account) to the new user. The only problem has been BrewTarget. I don't want to delete the original user until I can transfer all of my recipes from the BrewTarget on #1 account to the #2 account. So far, transferring the whole BrewTarget to my backup drive, and then copying brewTarget to the #2 account hasn't worked. All I get is an original app w/o my recipes! As you know, I'm pretty much of a computer illiterate, so I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to take all of my recipes from the BrewTarget on the #1 account, put them on to my backup drive or onto a flash drive, and then install them into my new BrewTarget on account #2. (I've tried to make it as clear as I can, hope it isn't too confusing.)
TY in advance!

 

[mikfire]

Just a quick question - again - ....
Due to the latest Micro$haft security updates, I no longer have access to most of the docs and vids on my desktop (says I need elevation) ... i've gone through all of the different fixes mentioned on the net, and no joy!
What I did figure out was to create a new user (#2 account) and give him administrative rights, and then transfer all of my files/videos/info from the original administrator/user (#1 account) to the new user. The only problem has been BrewTarget. I don't want to delete the original user until I can transfer all of my recipes from the BrewTarget on #1 account to the #2 account. So far, transferring the whole BrewTarget to my backup drive, and then copying brewTarget to the #2 account hasn't worked. All I get is an original app w/o my recipes! As you know, I'm pretty much of a computer illiterate, so I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to take all of my recipes from the BrewTarget on the #1 account, put them on to my backup drive or onto a flash drive, and then install them into my new BrewTarget on account #2. (I've tried to make it as clear as I can, hope it isn't too confusing.)
TY in advance!

I can try, but I need more info. What version of Windows and what version of Brewtarget?

Mik

 

[MT2sum]

BrewTarget 2.0.2
Windows 7 Professional - Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
on a Dell Latitude E6400

 

[masskrug]

Version 2.1 released

http://www.brewtarget.org/download.html

 

[MT2sum]

Version 2.1 released

http://www.brewtarget.org/download.html

So in other words, I still have a problem, since BrewTarget can't transfer from one account to the other........ and I have already installed the one on Account #2 .... and have already used it for some recipes!

 

[MT2sum]

On a separate note .... is there a way built into BrewTarget to figure the amount of hops needed is the recipe is in %AAU's instead of telling me how may ounces of bittering hops to use?

While I'm at it ... is there a way to figure the grains from an extract recipe? I know nothing can be perfectly exact becuz the maltsters keep their recipes secret, but hopefully there's something that would get me close. TIA

 

[sumbrewindude]

Just installed 2.1 along side 2.0.3,

Honestly, not a fan of the new slider interface, but maybe it's because I'm so used to the old big block/number interface. I guess the biggest let down was that the sliders aren't dynamic - not that I'm sure they need to be dynamic, but when I see a slider I instinctively want to use it.

Like some of the other improvements, but for now I'm going back to 2.0.3 as I'm more comfortable with the GUI.

Would be nice to have the option to switch between "classic interface" and "new interface" for us stalwarts.

 

[WI_Wino]

These are my initial thoughts as well. I'm forcing myself to use the newer version for a month or two to see if I get used to the new UI.

 

[beernut70]

Is there a way to import recipes and equipment only? I have duplicate items in my styles, and ingredients probably from past upgrades. I would like reinstall new and just import my equipment and recipes.

 

[mikfire]

Is there a way to import recipes and equipment only? I have duplicate items in my styles, and ingredients probably from past upgrades. I would like reinstall new and just import my equipment and recipes.

If you select all of the recipes in the tree, you can then right click and select "export". This will export all your recipes to a file. You can then import them into the new version. You will lose brewnotes. I will fix that just as soon as I get a few other things done.

Same will work for equipment. Just don't try to export both the equipment and the recipes at the same time. BeerXML is weird, and I couldn't ever figure any useful way to do both at the same time.

 

[vortexla]

I asked. The answer seems to be that Ubuntu won't update a package in stable unless it is fixing a show-stopping kind of bug.

I'm not an ubuntu sort of person, but I think we do have a PPA? https://code.launchpad.net/~brewtarget-devs/+archive/ubuntu/brewtarget gives the details.

Don't grab the v2.1.0 build. It isn't quite ripe yet and will likely do bad things to your database.

Mik

No, you can't update a package in stable unless it is a critical security fix or critical functionality fix.

That said, I just uploaded the latest version of Brewtarget to the Debian archives tonight and it will be brought into the Ubuntu archives on their next archive sync.

 

[mikfire]

BrewTarget 2.0.2
Windows 7 Professional - Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
on a Dell Latitude E6400

Ugh. Windows is not my best platform.

At a guess, it sounds like you need to copy the database file out of \program files\brewtarget and to anywhere that isn't \program files. Our expected default is C:\Users\[users]\AppData\Roaming\brewtarget.

I would probably copy the old database into place first, start up brewtarget and then go to Tools -> Options -> Directories and change the value to where ever you put the data.

If this doesn't fix the problem, let me know and I will poke at it more.

 

[nealm]

I was always coming up short on the OG when I entered recipes into BrewTarget from other sources where they define the OG, and other parameters. I always chalked this up to differences in the percent yields in the BT grains data base versus the data bases used to calculate the OG in the recipes. However, I found out that it is due to the inclusion of the kettle to ferrmenter parameter in the equipment profile. Apparently the program compensates for the loss in the BK to fermenter transfer by increasing the Pre-Boil volume by that volume thus diluting the gravity. So for a 5 gallon recipe entered with equipment parameters with “kettle to fermenter losses” of one quart, the recipe parameters are actually for a 5.25 gallon.

I don’t understand the reasoning behind increasing the pre-boil volume by the amount of the “kettle to fermenter losses.” To my mind this parameter is needed to calculate the brewhouse efficiency.
Can you explain?

NealM

 

[mikfire]

I was always coming up short on the OG when I entered recipes into BrewTarget from other sources where they define the OG, and other parameters. I always chalked this up to differences in the percent yields in the BT grains data base versus the data bases used to calculate the OG in the recipes. However, I found out that it is due to the inclusion of the kettle to ferrmenter parameter in the equipment profile. Apparently the program compensates for the loss in the BK to fermenter transfer by increasing the Pre-Boil volume by that volume thus diluting the gravity. So for a 5 gallon recipe entered with equipment parameters with “kettle to fermenter losses” of one quart, the recipe parameters are actually for a 5.25 gallon.

I don’t understand the reasoning behind increasing the pre-boil volume by the amount of the “kettle to fermenter losses.” To my mind this parameter is needed to calculate the brewhouse efficiency.
Can you explain?

NealM

Well, to be honest about it, there isn't any reason. It was a bug. It looks like it was introduced in v2.0.

It should have been fixed in v2.1. If you are on 2.1 and still seeing it, let me know and I will attempt to fix it again.

Mik

 

[nealm]

It's in version 2.1.0. My work around for now is to set the bk to fermenter losses to zero.
It should be said that I think you are doing a great job on BT, it is a great program.


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[mikfire]

It's in version 2.1.0. My work around for now is to set the bk to fermenter losses to zero.
It should be said that I think you are doing a great job on BT, it is a great program.


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Thanks for the compliment and thanks for reporting the bug. I will open the ticket and look into fixing this. Again. Because I really thought I had alread fixed this.

Mik

 

[WI_Wino]

When launching Brewtarget, I'm getting prompted that "multiple databases were found. Do you want to restore the changes you made during your last Brewtarget session, or rollback to before last session's changes?" every time. Doesn't seem to matter if I clicked the save button right before exiting Brewtarget the previous time.

The Brewtarget version is 2.1.0. Running on Windows 7. Installed from download page.

I found a sqlite DB called "tempBackupDatabase.sqlite" in the data directory defined in Tools>Options>Directories. If I manually delete that DB then open Brewtarget, I do not see the message. If I make changes, save them, and exit out of Brewtarget, then I do get the message the next time I open Brewtarget. Seems like this temp DB may not be getting deleted appropriately?

Anyone else seeing similar behavior?

 

[ulnpiper]

When launching Brewtarget, I'm getting prompted that "multiple databases were found. Do you want to restore the changes you made during your last Brewtarget session, or rollback to before last session's changes?" every time. Doesn't seem to matter if I clicked the save button right before exiting Brewtarget the previous time.

The Brewtarget version is 2.1.0. Running on Windows 7. Installed from download page.

I found a sqlite DB called "tempBackupDatabase.sqlite" in the data directory defined in Tools>Options>Directories. If I manually delete that DB then open Brewtarget, I do not see the message. If I make changes, save them, and exit out of Brewtarget, then I do get the message the next time I open Brewtarget. Seems like this temp DB may not be getting deleted appropriately?

Anyone else seeing similar behavior?

I had that issue, but I was in the process of moving my db from one computer to another so assumed it was something I did.

I renamed the file to tempBackupDatabase.old and the problem went away. This way you can always rename the file extension back to .sqlite if you need it.

-g

 

[WI_Wino]

I tried renaming the temp database and deleting it. In both cases, it was recreated when I launched Brewtarget and was not deleted when I exited.

 

[mikfire]

I tried renaming the temp database and deleting it. In both cases, it was recreated when I launched Brewtarget and was not deleted when I exited.

The temp database will always be created. Basically, when you open brewtarget we copy the db into the temp. At the end of the session, when we ask if you want to save your changes, if you say "no" we copy that temp db back. If you say "yes", we are supposed to delete the temp.

I am guessing we are not deleting the temp db. There was a change comitted a while back which "simplified" that portion of the code. I will need to go do some spelunking in the commit logs to find it but I suspect that simplification is causing the problems.

I have an almost impossible time keeping my Windows build environment stable/usuable and was really, really hoping this would go away. It hasn't, so I will attempt to get that thing working again.

Mik

 

[WI_Wino]

sounds good, let me know if you need me to try any other workflows and report back.

 

[Wyrmwood]

Using 2.1.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows 8.1 (dropbox shared database). Works great, imported settings are spot on (hit target temps, volumes and gravities on first attempt). Very pleased.

A couple of minor issues:
On Windows, sometimes, I don't get the "do you want to save" window on exit, and it leaves the temp* db so most of the time when I open, I get the restore/rollback message. Not a big deal, just hit restore and it works well.

On my laptop, I have a 4k monitor (3200x1800, 15"), and Brewtarget looks really good compared some other java/flash software I use (some I can't use at all without dumbing down my monitor). It does still have tiny controls though (checkboxes, radio buttons, dropdown menus, et al), but most are usable and all the fonts are sized well and readable.

Cheers!

 

[mikfire]

Using 2.1.0 on Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows 8.1 (dropbox shared database). Works great, imported settings are spot on (hit target temps, volumes and gravities on first attempt). Very pleased.

A couple of minor issues:
On Windows, sometimes, I don't get the "do you want to save" window on exit, and it leaves the temp* db so most of the time when I open, I get the restore/rollback message. Not a big deal, just hit restore and it works well.

On my laptop, I have a 4k monitor (3200x1800, 15"), and Brewtarget looks really good compared some other java/flash software I use (some I can't use at all without dumbing down my monitor). It does still have tiny controls though (checkboxes, radio buttons, dropdown menus, et al), but most are usable and all the fonts are sized well and readable.

Cheers!

Thanks for the feedback.

We are aware of the restore/rollback problem and trying to find a solution. It is a tough nut to crack because it only seems to happen when you've installed brewtarget, not when running it from a build dir like most of the developers do. This is my top priority at the moment.

The high resolution display is another problem we know of, but I don't think any of the developers have a hires display to test on. It is hard to solve a problem we literally cannot see rocketman is looking into this, but I cannot promise anything beyond that.

I wish I could provide more than "Yup. Working on it" but that's all I have at the second.

Mik

 

[keggert]

Using windows 7. I downloaded 2.1 and like all the features. My only problems is that the imported recipes from version 2.0.3 (I think) doesn't see the inventory. If I reselect the ingredients it will see the inventory. Is there a fix or am I going to have to go through all my recipes and reenter them?

 

[mikfire]

Using windows 7. I downloaded 2.1 and like all the features. My only problems is that the imported recipes from version 2.0.3 (I think) doesn't see the inventory. If I reselect the ingredients it will see the inventory. Is there a fix or am I going to have to go through all my recipes and reenter them?

Let me think on that. If there isn't a fix, I will try to make one.

Mik

 

[brettwasbtd]

Just wanted to say i am a big fan! Thank you for all your hard work.

Thought I remembered this being addressed in the past - sugar fermentability. Putting in my recipe for a Belgian golden strong last night and I had to set the sugar amount to 0 to get my predicted FG, then add the sugar back to the recipe to get estimated OG and manual do the math to get an accurate ABV estimate. Not a huge deal, but if it could be added in a future release (or if i am entering info in wrong) it would be nice. I guess some fermentables need to ignore yeast attenuation % in the FG calculation?

 

[WI_Wino]

I can't delete a brew day for a recipe. I added one to a recipe (playing around with the inventory feature) and when I right click on it to delete, I get this message:

Delete BrewNote 2015-01-26?

I select "Yes" and nothing appears to happen. I do see in the bottom left of the main form this message:
"WARNING: deleteSelected:: unknown type 6"

I also tried closing out of brewtarget and then coming back in. The brew day was still there.

EDIT - looks like this is has already been identified and a fix committed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/brewtarget/+bug/1374421

 

[WI_Wino]

I changed the permissions on the brewtarget.exe to run as administrator for all users. Now I do not get the pop up asking if I wanted to restore or roll back everytime I log in. I did get the message when I logged as admin the first time but I made some changes, clicked saved, and closed out of brewtarget. The next time I opened I ran as admin and did not get the message pop up.

Here is where brew target is installed on my machine:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Brewtarget-2.1.0

EDIT - clarification, the pop up message does not appear if I saved changes in the prior session. if I had no changes, then I get the pop up message regardless if I run as admin or not.

 

[ChuckS1]

Download load link doesn't work for me. Getting a "Page can't be displayed" error message.

 

[pazmanuelo]

Need help my brewtarget stop working. I cant use