New England IPA Blasphemy - No Boil NEIPA

[z-bob]

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in this thread, but I just read the first and last pages and skimmed the stuff in the middle. If you want bitterness, you can get that by making hop tea and adding it to the fermenter. I've done 2 beers like that; the first I did a quick 5 minute boil, and the other was truly no-boil. The hops I normally would add to the kettle at 60 minutes, I just simmered for an hour in a couple of quarts of water in a small pot on the stove while I was mashing the grain.

Perhaps with NEIPA you don't want any bitterness; I don't know, it's not my style. But if you want a little bitterness, this is a good way to get it. I read about this technique used in Lithuanian farmhouse ales, and it works. HTH

 

[kingmatt]

Update: my all citra IPA won first place in the NEIPA category at War of the Worts and was chosen by Warwick Farms to brew as a pro-am at their brewery!

 

[Dog House Brew]

Awesome stuff!

 

[daygobrewer]

Update: my all citra IPA won first place in the NEIPA category at War of the Worts and was chosen by Warwick Farms to brew as a pro-am at their brewery!
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Congrats! What were the quantities and timings of your dry hop additions?

And what's your process for bottling for competitions?

 

[kingmatt]

First pint of my latest no-boil NEIPA. Mosaic Incognito and Nectaron in the whirlpool and Mosaic Cryo and Nectaron in the dry hop. Verdant yeast. It turned out fantastic

 

[kingmatt]

Congrats! What were the quantities and timings of your dry hop additions?

And what's your process for bottling for competitions?

I do one dry hop after fermentation is complete. I cold crash, dump my yeast, raise the temp back up to 55-60F and dry hop for a day or 2. I like to use a mix of cryo and T90 hops and usually shoot for the equivalent of 7-10 ounces, depending on the beer.

I bottle off my kegerator and make sure to purge the bottles with CO2 and cap on foam. I don't submit my entries until the last day possible and won't enter comps I have to ship entries to (except NHC).

 

[kingmatt]

My Pro-Am beer is now on tap and in cans at Warwick Farm Brewing as "King":

It turned out amazing!

 

[user 299976]

Congrats, looks terrific.

 

[Dgallo]

My Pro-Am beer is now on tap and in cans at Warwick Farm Brewing as "King":

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It turned out amazing!

Congrats man. I actually heard about this from Adam in your club. I didn’t know it was you he was talking about though. Small world I guess. Congrats man! I actually just had a collab release this week at a brewery too! Homebrewers taking over!!! Lol

 

[kingmatt]

Congrats man. I actually heard about this from Adam in your club. I didn’t know it was you he was talking about though. Small world I guess. Congrats man! I actually just had a collab release this week at a brewery too! Homebrewers taking over!!! Lol

Congrats to you too! What brewery and what beer?

 

[Dgallo]

Congrats to you too! What brewery and what beer?

The Warbler Brewery in the Albany, NY. We brewed a Double NEIPA with nectaron, Nelson, and Citra

 

[Dog House Brew]

You do love Nelson as I recall

 

[Mjpetrag]

My Pro-Am beer is now on tap and in cans at Warwick Farm Brewing as "King":

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It turned out amazing!

Picked up a 4 pack of King. This beer is great. Nice work! Was this beer any different than your homebrew version?

 

[kingmatt]

Picked up a 4 pack of King. This beer is great. Nice work! Was this beer any different than your homebrew version?

Glad you like it! I couldn't be happier with how it turned out. I love Nelson but sometimes it can come across a little too punchy and diesel heavy. I think the Riwaka and Motueka, especially paired with the Citra, gives some of the white grape/diesel character but on a much softer and smoother level.

Obviously, we had to adjust from my original recipe because Warwick wasn't going to do all all-extract, no-boil beer. They also already have an amazing all Citra NEIPA, so I worked with the head brewer and we put together a new recipe.

I initially wanted to do a Citra and Nectaron beer but they were having a hard time sourcing Nectaron. I asked if the could get Motueka or Riwaka and luckily they had great lots of both on hand, so we decided to use both.

 

[Mjpetrag]

Glad you like it! I couldn't be happier with how it turned out. I love Nelson but sometimes it can come across a little too punchy and diesel heavy. I think the Riwaka and Motueka, especially paired with the Citra, gives some of the white grape/diesel character but on a much softer and smoother level.

Obviously, we had to adjust from my original recipe because Warwick wasn't going to do all all-extract, no-boil beer. They also already have an amazing all Citra NEIPA, so I worked with the head brewer and we put together a new recipe.

I initially wanted to do a Citra and Nectaron beer but they were having a hard time sourcing Nectaron. I asked if the could get Motueka or Riwaka and luckily they had great lots of both on hand, so we decided to use both.

Wait - you won the contest with an extract no boil beer!?! Bravo. Would you mind sharing the recipe?

 

[kingmatt]

Wait - you won the contest with an extract no boil beer!?! Bravo. Would you mind sharing the recipe?

Thanks! I posted what I did above in post #292 of this thread.

 

[kingmatt]

First pint of my latest no-boil NEIPA. Mosaic Incognito and Nectaron in the whirlpool and Mosaic Cryo and Nectaron in the dry hop. Verdant yeast. It turned out fantastic
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My Nectaron and Mosaic no-boil took 2nd place in the category at the Buzz Off Homebrew Competition yesterday. Love these no-boil extract hazies!

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

My Nectaron and Mosaic no-boil took 2nd place in the category at the Buzz Off Homebrew Competition yesterday. Love these no-boil extract hazies!

Congratulations!

... and a follow-up question: what brand (or brands) of DME are you brewing with?

 

[kingmatt]

Congratulations!

... and a follow-up question: what brand (or brands) of DME are you brewing with?

Thanks! I use Muntons DME

 

[ultravista]

yes, that’s correct

Do you have a whirlpooling device or do it by hand for 30 mins?

 

[ultravista]

My Pro-Am beer is now on tap and in cans at Warwick Farm Brewing as "King":

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It turned out amazing!

To confirm, when brewing @ the brewery, the 'King' is also a no boil?

 

[kingmatt]

To confirm, when brewing @ the brewery, the 'King' is also a no boil?

No, the head brewer and I created an all-new recipe. He didn't know my beer was an all-extract no-boil beer when he picked it for the Pro-Am and that wasn't going to work on the commerical side.

 

[Dgallo]

Do you have a whirlpooling device or do it by hand for 30 mins?

I’ll stir it until I have a pretty strong whirlpool going and then I’ll stop. Then come back every 5-10 minutes to do it again.

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

bump (as this topic is trending in another forum)

 

[mykrausenhurts]

What genre of brewing is this referred to? I am interested in getting into this.

Just combing water, yeast, DME/LME, and either dry hopping or hop tea

 

[Dgallo]

What genre of brewing is this referred to? I am interested in getting into this.

Just combing water, yeast, DME/LME, and either dry hopping or hop tea

Raw brewing with DME, no boil brewing with dme, I’m sure there’s a few more.

In all honesty though, you really should be bringing the wort to boiling for 5 minutes or to 165-170*f for 10-20 mins to be sure of pasteurization. Then you can hop as a whirlpool or use pre-isomerized hop extracts to hit ibus

 

[mykrausenhurts]

Raw brewing with DME, no boil brewing with dme, I’m sure there’s a few more.

In all honesty though, you really should be bringing the wort to boiling for 5 minutes or to 165-170*f for 10-20 mins to be sure of pasteurization. Then you can hop as a whirlpool or use pre-isomerized hop extracts to hit ibus

What in the wort would need to be pasteurized? I think everything in there would be pasteurized, although are you saying in the event that something was not sanitary at the production facility?


Would utilizing a hop shot for the IBU's and then dry hoping be an option? That may be what you are suggesting, I am just not up on the terminology.

 

[Dgallo]

What in the wort would need to be pasteurized? I think everything in there would be pasteurized, although are you saying in the event that something was not sanitary at the production facility?


Would utilizing a hop shot for the IBU's and then dry hoping be an option? That may be what you are suggesting, I am just not up on the terminology.

Your water isn’t pasteurized, dme theoretically should be fine since there’s no moisture but I would never trust packaging facilities, your kettle isn’t pasteurized if your not bringing it to the proper temp, the air that is touching everything on brew day isn’t pasteurized. There are literally countless opportunities for infection

Your hop shot needs to be pre isomerized. If it’s not, it won’t add the ibus. Isomerization is how alpha acids become bitter, and that correlates with temp and time. So that happens when you boil hops, since your not boiling, you need your hopshot to already be isomerized

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

What genre of brewing is this referred to? I am interested in getting into this.

Just combing water, yeast, DME/LME, and either dry hopping or hop tea

A very similar topic was posted over in /r/homebrewing (link) at the about same time as #325. There are some "other voices" over there, so it may be worth a read.

In addition to this "no boil" topic, there's also "No-Boil Recipes! New for 2019!".

I think everything in there would be pasteurized, although are you saying in the event that something was not sanitary at the production facility?

In the USA, many LME products are repackaged (from larger containers). There was a topic here at HomeBrewTalk (crossed posted to AHA forums) where that OP used un-pasteurized LME. The contanimation showed up as low level gushers a couple of months after packaging. The supplier was clear that LME needs to be boiled / pasteurized.

Also in the USA, it appears that DME can be repackaged.

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The new MoreBeer kits are a well thought out combination of

• ingredients (e.g.. fast starting yeast strain), and
• brew day process (the "no stir" approach adding ingredients)

Time will tell if brewers will follow the instructions (where 'necessary') and improvise (where appropriate) to avoid contanimation.

Take the time to listen carefully to all their UT videos (there is a topic here (lnk) at HomeBrewTalk where posters are sharing experiences and information on these kits).

If you wish to "do it yourself", there's more invovled in the the MoreBeer kits than "just combing water, yeast, DME/LME, and either dry hopping or hop tea".

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edited to add: If you have ever wondered where the line is between "short and shoddy" and "sloppy and stupid", you are very very close to it.

• Clean is necessary,
• sanitary is necessary,
• and pasteurization is "your friend'".

 

[mykrausenhurts]

A very similar topic was posted over in /r/homebrewing (link) at the about same time as #325. There are some "other voices" over there, so it may be worth a read.

In addition to this "no boil" topic, there's also "No-Boil Recipes! New for 2019!".

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Gotcha, will give those a look as well. I am still researching how I plan to do things and the overall feasibility. Currently I am moving frequently and already have far far too many hobbies and equipment to justify getting into all grain brewing at the moment. Going to be a balancing act between cost, safety, ease, etc. I may sous vide the LME to pasteurize (if I decide to go that route) and gratuitous use of starsan and area sanitation should be plenty