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my cellar is about 11 bottles away from being maxed out and i have to go back to boxes. hoarding sucks for space.
I'm getting close to there right now. Considering building some more lambic racks but I don't really want to make them much taller. Maybe it's near time to host a cellar-cleaning tasting, problem is no one wants to drink a bunch of Bruery bottles.
 
I'm getting close to there right now. Considering building some more lambic racks but I don't really want to make them much taller. Maybe it's near time to host a cellar-cleaning tasting, problem is no one wants to drink a bunch of Bruery bottles.

Take them to a random tasting and shotgun-open them*. People will try them.

*Don't you dare pull this **** in my house
 
I'm getting close to there right now. Considering building some more lambic racks but I don't really want to make them much taller. Maybe it's near time to host a cellar-cleaning tasting, problem is no one wants to drink a bunch of Bruery bottles.
Can always put your bruery beers on mybeercellar at 600% markup. Even if no one buys them, I'm sure someone will pozst them in the operation my beer cellar thread which will bring teh lulz.
 
Seismic question:

I've got the standard spare fridge in the garage setup for my cellar (posted somewhere earlier in this thread). I can't imagine it's very earthquake safe - I imagine the top rack getting jostled out of its slot (hooks in the back) and collapsing onto the bottom bottles (the veggie drawer with the lambic should be safe though :cool:) and the door swinging open and the bottles falling out onto the hard concrete and shattering into a million broken dreams. Beyond putting like a welcome mat or something outside the front to prevent anything that might fall from an open door breaking, any suggestions or thoughts on securing the top rack a little better?

PS - here's an old photo of the setup:
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Seismic question:

I've got the standard spare fridge in the garage setup for my cellar (posted somewhere earlier in this thread). I can't imagine it's very earthquake safe - I imagine the top rack getting jostled out of its slot (hooks in the back) and collapsing onto the bottom bottles (the veggie drawer with the lambic should be safe though :cool:) and the door swinging open and the bottles falling out onto the hard concrete and shattering into a million broken dreams. Beyond putting like a welcome mat or something outside the front to prevent anything that might fall from an open door breaking, any suggestions or thoughts on securing the top rack a little better?

PS - here's an old photo of the setup:
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You could bungee cord the door shut, then it wouldn't open. I doubt the other bottles are going to break if the shelves fall, and I sort of doubt the shelves will fall. Have you tried to get one of those things out? Total PITA. If you're still worried about that, take the beer out, put a few gallons of water on the shelf, and shake the **** out of the fridge. If the shelves fall, then worry about it. (Though even if that does happen I'm not sure what you could do, maybe put feet on the shelf that connect with a bracket to the bottom drawers? Seems like a lot of work though.)
 
You could bungee cord the door shut, then it wouldn't open. I doubt the other bottles are going to break if the shelves fall, and I sort of doubt the shelves will fall. Have you tried to get one of those things out? Total PITA.
Fair point.
If you're still worried about that, take the beer out, put a few gallons of water on the shelf, and shake the **** out of the fridge. If the shelves fall, then worry about it. (Though even if that does happen I'm not sure what you could do, maybe put feet on the shelf that connect with a bracket to the bottom drawers? Seems like a lot of work though.)

I think I am a bit overly concerned. I like the bungee idea though. Per usual, thanks for the input.
 
I've got a chest freezer with a temp controller, a mid-sized fridge, and earlier this year I picked up some vinracs from ebay. Here is the vinrac, not my picture, just for illustration:
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Modular plastic racks that are significantly cheaper than any of the wooden fancy wine racks.
 
I've got a chest freezer with a temp controller, a mid-sized fridge, and earlier this year I picked up some vinracs from ebay. Here is the vinrac, not my picture, just for illustration:
about_imageII.jpg

Modular plastic racks that are significantly cheaper than any of the wooden fancy wine racks.

How tall would you be comfortable building these?

Edit: I realize the site says 1.8m but looking more for your opinion having used them.
 
I've got a chest freezer with a temp controller, a mid-sized fridge, and earlier this year I picked up some vinracs from ebay. Here is the vinrac, not my picture, just for illustration:
about_imageII.jpg

Modular plastic racks that are significantly cheaper than any of the wooden fancy wine racks.
Before I saw that I was wondering why the hell you had so much Chimay.
 
How tall would you be comfortable building these?
I have them 10 rows high without any anchoring. They came with brackets to connect them to the walls. So, that is 40 bottles in each set. Their site suggests not building them taller than 1.8 meters high, or a little shorter than 6 feet.
 
Just drove my beer cellar out from Denver to SF -- 27 hours door-to-door (including a detour around Utah and a four-hour nap at Donner Summit). It's not much to look at but at least I have it back with me :)

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Logging thermometer in the topmost box never got above 62F (rental car had powerful A/C).

It looked sexier when we were repacking those boxes. Did you remember to get the bottles out of the hidden compartment in the trunk?
 
It looked sexier when we were repacking those boxes. Did you remember to get the bottles out of the hidden compartment in the trunk?

Surprisingly, I did! I blame stopping for coffee before unloading the rental.
 
Just killed like 20 minutes at work reading this thread. Jealous feelz, thinking of my disorganized mess of a cellar :(
 
Those with Cantillon...better lay those suckers down. Even Jean Van Roy said himself at the Festival and when I was at the brewery November 26th that they are intended to be cellared on their side. Same with 3F. I've resorted to laying all my Belgiums or wild ales to their sides, especially if corked.
 
Those with Cantillon...better lay those suckers down. Even Jean Van Roy said himself at the Festival and when I was at the brewery November 26th that they are intended to be cellared on their side. Same with 3F. I've resorted to laying all my Belgiums or wild ales to their sides, especially if corked.
There's really no evidence that it matters either way. The tradition says to store on the side, but the only scientific study done to date was on champagne and found that upright is better. I think that, all things considered, the small variability in orientation is swamped by other factors outside our control.
 
There's really no evidence that it matters either way. The tradition says to store on the side, but the only scientific study done to date was on champagne and found that upright is better. I think that, all things considered, the small variability in orientation is swamped by other factors outside our control.

Eh...I tend to side on the guy that makes the beer. But that's just me. Especially if I'm planning to age it a long time. I'm sure he knows better than anyone on here what's the best for their beer. To each their own tho and time will tell. Cheers!
 
I got this far...

Those with Cantillon...better lay those suckers down. Even Jean Van Roy said himself at the Festival and when I was at the brewery November 26th that they are .

And thought you meant "lay them down" as in "hold onto them for a while. My first reaction was "WHAT DO YOU KNOW".

Also, don't believe everything you hear coming out of Belgium. There are far too many lies and half truths in their beer industry to believe everything you hear.

Cantillon have a lot more bottles to store in a pretty small place. So I'm guessing lying down is much better for them. But when you think about it logically, what possible difference would it make? When you also think about how dodgy their corks are it makes me think twice about putting anything of theirs sideways (which I do, but that's mostly for space issues)

The most rational explanation I heard was from the guy at Crooked Stave suggesting to cellar sideways for a a while (for long term aging) to stop the cork drying out, then move upright.
 
Meh I'll pr9bably drink them too soon for it to matter. I like the idea of holding on some for a while but that doesn't work out often....
 
I dunno.. some of those cantillon corks are pretty crumbly... (also I know nothing about cork manufacturing so just parroting what I heard)
But they're not dry. Even the 30-year-old Cantillon I had for my wife's 30th wasn't dry (though, I suppose to be fair I don't know how it was stored). From what I've heard from wine guys that's only an issue with really old corks, and that anything made recently at all is treated to prevent drying out. Maybe that's wrong, I don't know, but I don't think it's an issue.
 
Jean told me that the main reason the bottles are kept on their side is that you get more liquid constantly in contact with the yeast. Same for Armand.
At first glance that doesn't strike me as being right, is the argument that if the lees are spread out along the whole edge they'll be healthier than lumped up at the bottom? I suppose that could be true (you'd basically need to be a microbiologist to know for sure), but anything that I can think of to cause that (mostly nutrient availability) wouldn't be affected much. This is one of the few arguments in this debate that I don't think you can immediately dismiss, but it strikes me as being minor if it does matter.
So is this what it is or are they simply doing things the way they were always done?
I'm like 99% certain that the only reason we talk about this is because that's the way it's always been done, so people try to justify it. But maybe I'm overly cynical.
I'll shove mine horizontally and see where it goes.
Whatever floats your boat!
 

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