Adam Zerwick
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Decided to brew this up with some Enigma hops I've been meaning to use. This beer is fantastic!!! Thanks for the recipe 
I’m thinking about brewing this, but using BRY-97 instead of US-05. Anyone have experience with BRY-97 in this recipe or other hop forward pale ale?
I just did this recipe with BRY-97 and Strata. It came out great.
I don’t think your worrying too much. Mash ph is certainly an important component. So It’s going to completely depend on what people are using for brewing water. I use my Dechlorinated tap water since my water is good. With said, I have 130 bicarbonate so I need a decent amount of acid to get my mash ph to 5.4, usual need about 5 ml or more for mash. Some people using RO water will be pretty close to target mash ph and only need very little acid.hey @Dgallo & others who have brewed this recipe a few times. If you have adjusted mash ph with acid to ~5.45, what range of volumes have been required given your starting water & salt additions?
I have been comparing outputs from EZ water, Bru'n water, & MpH on the last few brews and I'm getting some disagreement on this recipe. Prior to adding lactic acid in the spreadsheets, EZ water is predicting ph=5.64 and MpH=5.47. Not drastic, but 0ml vs 2-3ml lactic acid to get in the desired range. I may be worrying about this too much, but would appreciate your input.
I don’t think your worrying too much. Mash ph is certainly an important component. So It’s going to completely depend on what people are using for brewing water. I use my Dechlorinated tap water since my water is good. With said, I have 130 bicarbonate so I need a decent amount of acid to get my mash ph to 5.4, usual need about 5 ml or more for mash. Some people using RO water will be pretty close to target mash ph and only need very little acid.
have you ever used Bru’n water. One of our very own HBT members created it and it’s extremely accurate. Usually Within 0.02
Fixing the circular reference errors is pretty easy; there's even an answer in the bru'n water FAQ's: Frequently Asked Questions and Bru'n Water Troubleshooting | Bru'n Water.
Bru'n water has by far been the most accurate for me. Cheers.
OK, reporting back as I kegged the Waimea pale ale a week ago. As a reminder, I ran the grain bill and yeast choice per @Dgallo recipe but the hop schedule was a tad different as I WP lower at 155 to pull more fruit out of it. This beer is fully carved now and think its great. It has high AA so many use it for bittering but I think it also has a very bright fruity flavor thats great. Mangoes mangoes mangoes! Its almost "candied" mangoes actually as its pretty sweet. A little lime as well but mangoes are dominant. Even though I used 1oz total in boil (.5oz at 60min and .5oz at 5min) the bitterness is there but not overpowering at all. I describe the bitterness as a mix between grapefruit and a little bit of pine, but not much pine. Overall the mango type fruit flavor is definitely dominant. This hop is very bright overall, but not as intense as the other NZ hops and I get nothing in regards to diesel or anything like that. Even at kegging, it never was really that "green"/harsh. Smooth as hell, bright and well polished from the beginning. This hop is well balanced (good for bittering and/or pulling some great fruit flavor) but not that complex - I imagine I would've gotten more pine if WP higher and used the 10min boil perhaps.
Had a friend over yesterday and she's not that huge of an IPA fan (mostly because of the bitterness) but likes pale ales a lot. She loved this as does my wife. It won't last long lol.
This is definitely a hop that could stand on its own in a single hop NEIPA or add a nice sweet fruit flavor to balance out more potent type of hops I think. I am thinking it could play well with a ton of other hops. Very pleased overall and ordered some more already - when I ordered some riwaka earlier this week!![]()
perhaps a hint of coconut? The first time I had it, it was from a local craft brewery which makes great beers and it had Nelson along with HBC 692 i.e. Talus. When I tasted it I got a faint taste of coconut. Then I looked HBC 692 up and found out it had been named Talus and its the product of sabro and open pollination. I hate coconut, therefore I have never had a sabro beer Ive liked, even if its not prominent. I can taste coconut a mile away! I "tolerated" it in the beer with nelson i.e. I drank the rest of the beer but my wife loved it. lolKind of a bad pic, but solid beer. Passion fruit, grapefruit, and something else we can’t quite place. This recipe has much, much better body than most of my pale ales.
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perhaps a hint of coconut? The first time I had it, it was from a local craft brewery which makes great beers and it had Nelson along with HBC 692 i.e. Talus. When I tasted it I got a faint taste of coconut. Then I looked HBC 692 up and found out it had been named Talus and its the product of sabro and open pollination. I hate coconut, therefore I have never had a sabro beer Ive liked, even if its not prominent. I can taste coconut a mile away! I "tolerated" it in the beer with nelson i.e. I drank the rest of the beer but my wife loved it. lol
The Riwaka I have from 2020 is really potent. That’s definitely a really cool thing to have such low of an alpha but a lot of potency. You could always deviate and use a clean bittering hop like magnum or horizon. Either way it will make a good beerSo Im planning on another one of these but with Riwaka this time but seem to have run into a little snag. I typically have been following the hop schedules as the OP posted but modifications to adjust IBUs. However, with riwaka Aa listed at 6.3% on my YVH packages, the highest I seem to get for IBUs is about 33 whereas the other hops used for this base recipe have always been about 40-42 IBUs so thats quite a difference and OG is 1.058 on all of these. Thus far, Im adding:
1.5oz to 60min boil (25.2 IBUs) and 1.0oz to 10min boil (10.3IBUs), and 3.0oz steep at 160 for 45 minutes (5.0 IBUs) = 40.5 IBUs total : 2oz DH at 3 days.
So seems Im just upping the boil additions to get the IBUs while still steeping at lower temps like I want. All my IBUs are beersmith estimates. These IBUs seem right? Im usually NOT adding this much to the boil, but do want the IBUs to be in the neighborhood of 40 for this receipe.
Yeah thats what Ive heard. I don't have any magnum or horizon but I do have some warrior, so I might do that.The Riwaka I have from 2020 is really potent. That’s definitely a really cool thing to have such low of an alpha but a lot of potency. You could always deviate and use a clean bittering hop like magnum or horizon. Either way it will make a good beer
Looks great man. I really like Riwaka. Such a cool hop and really supports a lot of different hopsjust kegged this Riwaka pale ale today. Force carbed the left overs, and its great! Difficult for me to pick out all the flavors, but it seems to me that this is the NZ version of Citra. Strong citrus (has that sweet fruity citrus on the end of palate) but with a little NZ-esque punch in the middle of the palate. Love it! Poor lighting on the pictures, but its great. I did deviate from the recipe given Riwaka's low AA. So I used warrior at the 60 minute, then did Riwaka additions the rest of the way: 10min boil (0.5oz), WP @ 160 (3oz), DH (2oz). VERY strong flavor. Although I said very Citrus (Citra) dominant, it also has some depth due to the "NZ punch" i.e a little diesel but not much given my schedule and addition amounts.
So, now that I have an idea of what this brings to the table and the fact that Ive done Citra, Nelson, Galaxy before, Im thinking my next NEIPA will be Riwaka, Nelson, Galaxy. Just got to figure out the bittering (boil) hops and the ratios now.
Shout out to @Dgallo for this recipe too. This is the 4th Ive done with this recipe (Idaho 7, Centennial, and Waimea were my others) and I am always stoked to see just how well these are drinkable on keg day (soft crash, DH, hard crash, keg procedures).
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I’m glad you’re enjoying. Just a really nice grainbill that helps support the hopsView attachment 715693
Medusa hops - easy drinker. This recipe will definitely be used frequently going forward.
Shout out to @Dgallo for this recipe too. This is the 4th Ive done with this recipe (Idaho 7, Centennial, and Waimea were my others) and I am always stoked to see just how well these are drinkable on keg day (soft crash, DH, hard crash, keg procedures).
I love to see everyone's thoughts on various single hopped brews in this thread, you guys are definitely saving me a lot of work. @Noob_Brewer how would you rank the single hop ones you've done? It sounds like Riwaka is up there?
Everyone else's rankings are appreciated too!
For my contribution to the thread, I did an HBC630 brew that YCH sent me for Virtual Hop Harvest. I only had 6oz of it though, so I had to pair it with Citra since I know exactly what that brings to the table.
Evaluating 630 pellets by smell, I got the exact descriptors that you'll find online - candied fruit, cherry notes and some mandarin. In terms of the beer itself, I got a whole plethora mandarin and pineapple. More than your standard citrus and cantaloupe that I usually get from Citra, I got a good deal of candied pineapple from this brew. Not much cherry as expected, but definitely candied fruit notes, maybe those candied orange slices you see in the candy stores. Not a bad hop - I wouldn't use it solo in a pale ale or even an IPA, I think Talus has been much better and more potent. 6.3% IPA definitely tastes like more of a pale ale.