mbtech
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So I've been searching for Amarillo rhizomes and no luck. I hear that it is somehow patented and there is no way to get rhizomes. Am I correct on this? If so, is the Amarillo hop a cross made in a lab or something?
Amarillo Rhizomes
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Yes. There's one farmer in Washington (state) who has the patent on Amarillo, and the entire crop each year is grown on his farm.
Yakima/Moxee area
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Look at all of those hops
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Look at all of those hops
TimBrewz
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Amarillo and Simcoe are both private strains grown in that area. There is no legal way to get a rhizome of either strain.
cuinrearview
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Does anyone know if any of the other available rhizomes were once proprietary like Simcoe, Amarillo, Warrior, etc. are. Just wondering if these varieties will be available at some point or if we just need to wait for something better to be developed that replaces them on a farm that doesn't need to lock them up. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about capitalism, but I needs me some legal amarillo and simcoe rhizomes!
I'm sure it's already been talked about here, but hopsdirect has lbs. of amarillo for $13.50!!
I'm sure it's already been talked about here, but hopsdirect has lbs. of amarillo for $13.50!!
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mbtech
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Wow, so that is the exact place where the Amarillo hop is grown?
Wow, so that is the exact place where the Amarillo hop is grown?
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mbtech
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Funny you mention "legal". I wonder if there is a black market for hop rhizomes, lol.
samc
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Black clothing, night vision goggles and crawl inside the farm - pull up a root and run for it.
Or just send hopsdirect a few bucks - that's the way I went!
Or just send hopsdirect a few bucks - that's the way I went!
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mbtech
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Man, the covert op sounds like fun....but I'll prob just buy the hops instead (or did you mean they sell the rhizome?). On a different note, do you know what grows best in the Dallas, TX area? My mother-in-law has Golding, Willamette, Cascade, and Centennial growing in Kansas. I've got a Chinook started this year in a planter and will go into the ground next spring.
TimBrewz
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I know a guy who lives in that area, he has alluded to the whole nighttime commando mission armed with trowel, pocket knife and plastic bag....I just can't justify the possibility of explaining my story to a judge
oswegan
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I know a guy who lives in that area, he has alluded to the whole nighttime commando mission armed with trowel, pocket knife and plastic bag....I just can't justify the possibility of explaining my story to a judge
"I really like beer." "Your Honor?"
CentralWABrewing
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I know a guy who lives in that area, he has alluded to the whole nighttime commando mission armed with trowel, pocket knife and plastic bag....I just can't justify the possibility of explaining my story to a judge
That's messed up. I'm friends with the family (Gamache) that have the rights to that hop. I figure if you can produce a unique product then go ahead and make money off of it. I'm guessing the whole commando thing is BS since I've been flying for this family for a few years and I can't even see what fields the Amarillo grows in
but I'm not not calling you a liar:cross:
WatereeBrew
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Yeh, If I went through the trouble of cross pollenating some new hops strain, and then got it patented, I wouldnt want some dude jumping my fence and stealing from my hop yard.
SteveM
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Much respect to the guy who created it - CentralWA, if you really know them, let them know that Amarillo is my single favorite of all hops. I have made only a one batch without it* since I first tasted it a couple of years ago.
*The one going into the bottle this weekend, made with only my own home grown hops.
*The one going into the bottle this weekend, made with only my own home grown hops.
Bokonon
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There are no fences, but good luck finding which field is which
CentralWABrewing
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Yeah, I know the family pretty well and a lot of people agree with you.
Why not tissue culture the leafs? It's easily done and don't have to worry about some guy chasing you across a field with a shot gun just for a little rhizome. Even if the leaf is dried out. It's still possible to kick start it in a heavy nutrition media to grow it.
TimBrewz
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That's messed up. I'm friends with the family (Gamache) that have the rights to that hop. I figure if you can produce a unique product then go ahead and make money off of it. I'm guessing the whole commando thing is BS since I've been flying for this family for a few years and I can't even see what fields the Amarillo grows in
I think my buddy is full of BS too
I would never steal rhizomes, that is just bad beer karma. Just one of those drunken rambling conversations.....That's messed up. I'm friends with the family (Gamache) that have the rights to that hop. I figure if you can produce a unique product then go ahead and make money off of it. I'm guessing the whole commando thing is BS since I've been flying for this family for a few years and I can't even see what fields the Amarillo grows in
What kind of rights are you talking about?
right now I'm having a hard time believing that a person can even patent a plant but i love being wrong. can you show me?
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en
I couldn't find the specific patent for Amarillo hops, but here's an example of a patent for a plant:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Jo...rce=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Here's one for Columbus:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=0o...rce=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Jo...rce=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Here's one for Columbus:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=0o...rce=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Alright, I found the Plant Variety Protection Office which is the starting point if you have a plant that you want rights over. From the reading it states that you'll be issued a certificate and after a year and one else has describe the same plant for a certificate then the person can apply for a patent. However this don't mean you can make other people stop growing it. It's only for legal right over the market. So anyone can grow it, just once money has exchanged hands for the crop then legal actions can be taken.
But thanks for posting the patents, I couldn't find any at the time.
But thanks for posting the patents, I couldn't find any at the time.
cuinrearview
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Wow! This discussion is getting serious. I just looked at fresh Amarillo cones for sale for $13.50/lb. I'd love to grow this variety on my home scale, but I guess I'll have to wait until something better comes along (Citra?) and this family starts loosening their grip on it. Seems that's bad beer karma to me as well. If I can continue to buy Amarillo at this price I don't even need to grow it, and that seems to be a win/win for everyone.
Jonathanquist
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bump
Jonathanquist
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yeah bump it was for me i was reading on this thread about the plant cell culturing thing and wanted to do some research while at work
SPR-GRN
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How dare you bump a thread that has been dead for over three years?!?!!
**bumps thread**
haha I'm just playing.
