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Beer is a food group
Gotta be photoshopped they posted yesterday that they will have an updated list soon, and that's too soon. Plus I'm sure breweries are backing out daily!!
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I won't support a company that has these goals. It's too late to not buy clothes made in sweat shops or not support business that's in foreign countries as I don't have the kind of money it would take, choices are slim if there are any choices, but I can certainly choose not to support their business goals and lack of ethics to meet such. And what's offered (an easy Google search) doesn't even tell the whole story showing their deceit and treachery.
Good for craft beer? Absolutely not! People keep talking about small breweries popping up. Sure. But with the direction AB/InBev is going what will this look like in a decade? Rarely do things happen quickly...
You are free to spend your money as you see fit. It is your money. But where they intend to take this is not good for craft beer no more than sending production overseas has been, or for WalMart to move into small town America.
Good for craft beer? Absolutely not! People keep talking about small breweries popping up. Sure. But with the direction AB/InBev is going what will this look like in a decade? Rarely do things happen quickly...
You are free to spend your money as you see fit. It is your money. But where they intend to take this is not good for craft beer no more than sending production overseas has been, or for WalMart to move into small town America.
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Again, you just don't get it.
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And quite frankly AB/InBev is not supposed to have their hands in distribution, which is supposed to be illegal as of post prohibition. I'm at a loss for how they've been able to do it. And look at how they use it...
It's all right before you. If you refuse to look at it or care is something I can't help with. But I can provide the evidence of such.
It's all right before you. If you refuse to look at it or care is something I can't help with. But I can provide the evidence of such.
Me or those who've produced the facts. I see... Do you have stock in AB/InBev?
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Then get off your high horse and quit talking down to me and others that don't care. We're excited that these small businesses have become so successful to attract the attention of InBev.
If you own any mutual funds, I'll bet you own InBev stock...
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Brewery conglomeration and antitrust distribution are two, distinctly separate issues.
I don't give two fvcks who chooses to partnership, or flat out sell off to the conglomeration. That is their choice, and frankly an established business mechanism for growth.
Distribution however, those laws have been fvcked from the start. And only now is there a conglomerate large enough to weasel in and around the language despite risk. And now that said conglomerate is doing this it is becoming evident to regulators that the laws are antiquated, susceptible to unforeseen bias, and need potentially be abolished.
Getting rid of regulatory 3 tier won't likely change a damned thing on most store shelves because the conglomerate will still be able to offer incentives to the merchant. It will cause some distributors to close shop as some of the smaller breweries will invest into self distribution. It wouldn't eliminate distributors entirely though because some breweries will opt to hire out the logistics.
I don't give two fvcks who chooses to partnership, or flat out sell off to the conglomeration. That is their choice, and frankly an established business mechanism for growth.
Distribution however, those laws have been fvcked from the start. And only now is there a conglomerate large enough to weasel in and around the language despite risk. And now that said conglomerate is doing this it is becoming evident to regulators that the laws are antiquated, susceptible to unforeseen bias, and need potentially be abolished.
Getting rid of regulatory 3 tier won't likely change a damned thing on most store shelves because the conglomerate will still be able to offer incentives to the merchant. It will cause some distributors to close shop as some of the smaller breweries will invest into self distribution. It wouldn't eliminate distributors entirely though because some breweries will opt to hire out the logistics.
But-wiper is NOT "Quality" beer. It is definitely stable and completely the same from can/bottle to can/bottle, but quality? not really. It's very LOW quality, cheap beer. No real flavor, just hops and alcohol. Hell, you could probably make something similar with hop tea, PGA and carbonated water. Does that make it "good" / "quality" beer? I, personally, don't think so.
You make an incorrect assumption. There is no high horse and/or talking down to you or anyone else. I'm merely arguing the point that AB/InBev is good for the craft beer industry or even just merely harmless. Documentaries, news acrticles, and the government inquiry have all said as much. To say otherwise is, well...
And the attitude of just not caring is a big part of the problem in America.
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qual·i·ty
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noun
1.
the standard of something as measured against other things of a similar kind
Macro lagers continually win GABF awards in the light lager categories. That makes them quality.
You're defining quality as something you like. That's personal preference, not quality.
Selling to the big businesses haven't been my issue whatsoever. Just AB/InBev's methods and end goal.
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Incorrect. For the style of beer they produce, Budweiser is the definition of quality that all others, who produce a similar style, endeavor to produce.
Numerous awards to this end support that.
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So then you admit that your anger is misplaced?
Because AB/InBev did not write the laws that they are so craftily poking a stick at to see if it twitches (although lobbies may have influenced it).
Your anger/disgust should not be focuse on Ab/InBev hate but focused on supporting the de-regulation of distribution.
My anger and disgust is pointed in the right place for sure. There's nothing ethical about what they've been doing. That's quite the step you imply though. Blame the law's holes instead of the one doing the misdeeds. Splendid...
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The only thing un "ethical" about what they are attempting is that it is borderline illeagal. The distributors are more the guilty parties than the conglomerate breweries.
Deceitfulness is considered by most to be unethical. They've certainly been shown to have created a "mom and pop" brand that has a Bud factory address on it lacking any signage with that name on it. They know there are plenty of people who just refuse big business so they've lied to hopefully gain some of their dollar bills.
Various other things shown in the two documentaries I watched were shown as well. I don't recall the peticulars but they essentially took that businesswoman's idea.
I also personally just don't care for the level of greed and the levels they stoop to to keep some of the little guys down. And I don't mean just buying various craft breweries that are doing well as Coors/Miller had done in an effort to keep sales up overall. They haven't been shown to do those same things. And I haven't kept up with what they've done to companies they've bought out but I haven't seen how they've done them as InBev has done time and time again. I could be wrong no doubt.
Various other things shown in the two documentaries I watched were shown as well. I don't recall the peticulars but they essentially took that businesswoman's idea.
I also personally just don't care for the level of greed and the levels they stoop to to keep some of the little guys down. And I don't mean just buying various craft breweries that are doing well as Coors/Miller had done in an effort to keep sales up overall. They haven't been shown to do those same things. And I haven't kept up with what they've done to companies they've bought out but I haven't seen how they've done them as InBev has done time and time again. I could be wrong no doubt.
"Getting rid of regulatory 3 tier won't likely change a damned thing on most store shelves because the conglomerate will still be able to offer incentives to the merchant."
Right there is the problem. Call it "free market", "crony capitalism", greed or whatever. Once they get to a certain size, companies go out of their way to limit the average Joe in order to keep "their" market share. While it may be "legal" it is neither ethical nor fair to those without deep pockets. It's "just business". When able, I will stay with the little guy (beer or otherwise) and avoid the conglomerate.
Right there is the problem. Call it "free market", "crony capitalism", greed or whatever. Once they get to a certain size, companies go out of their way to limit the average Joe in order to keep "their" market share. While it may be "legal" it is neither ethical nor fair to those without deep pockets. It's "just business". When able, I will stay with the little guy (beer or otherwise) and avoid the conglomerate.
applescrap
Be the ball!
I'm glad this has been kept peaceful as revkev was right. We are all more together than different. What we need to do is keep a watch on this together. It could go either way but right now I'm liking the beer scene. I can't wait to read some of these comments later tonight when I have time and thank you for the articles rodwha.
Fun thread. Keep it civil and we can all enjoy the discussion. I get that people see things differently. I'm amazed when people don't see things the way that I do, when I think it's obvious. I think they are thinking the same thing about me. That's just how it is 
applescrap
Be the ball!
This one was too long of a slog after a few brews, but clearly shows an investigation of some kind. Glad antitrust exists outside my knowledge. Appreciate the work they do on everyones behalf. I was left with this screenshot. If I owned a brewery or any business these tactics seem worth following. Take care of those that take care of you, cut out your competition and sell more of your stuff. They (ab) arent playin' thats for sure.
madscientist451
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Do you have any actual evidence that shows that ABInBev is doing what Fat Dragon said? Specifically: " bullying small business out of the marketplace "?
applescrap
Be the ball!
Imagine that, a Walmart of beer that moves in around the corner. Heady topper, crooked stave, elevated IPA, tenfidy, lawson sos, shelf to shelf..... F****** awesome
applescrap
Be the ball!
And there it is. Me either bro. That's why I am not in business and shouldn't be. The same when I played sports as a little kid, some people would sink to any level to win. It's not the way it should be and I wish I could change it. That being said go enjoy some one dollar Goose IPA, no seriously, i have got no problem if you don't want to spend a dime with these people.
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Aw shucks applescrap sometimes my drunken ramblings make sense. We are on the same boat.
I just think it's great. My supermarket in which I am the "face" of the beer department, trained Cicerone, I have the task of exposing people to new beers... and we are getting new distribution every week from TryIt, Certo, Rhino, Remarkable, TJ Shehans and we are doing a reset in June (this is western NY). Nobody is saying anything about the trades and buyouts of breweries between the smaller distributors ...which are structurally the same as InBev. Hell the smaller distributors are more cutthroat than the larger mofos. And personally what I understand is that anyone who hates InBev (this is going to be a generalization) hates distribution of any sorts. Me personally I think it's great to be able to get 2 day old beer from CT or MA or any floccin where in the US in NYS.. or anywhere.
See I've never had WW but hell if they get up to NYS I'll be siked! And I'll partake. I've been hypocritical before but if the tables turn I imagine that it's only a matter of time before these folks ​who are f the big man would turn full circle. (I guarantee they have one brew that they still drink that is BMC) ...but to each is own and this is merely just another drunken ramblings and my social psychology perspective
I just think it's great. My supermarket in which I am the "face" of the beer department, trained Cicerone, I have the task of exposing people to new beers... and we are getting new distribution every week from TryIt, Certo, Rhino, Remarkable, TJ Shehans and we are doing a reset in June (this is western NY). Nobody is saying anything about the trades and buyouts of breweries between the smaller distributors ...which are structurally the same as InBev. Hell the smaller distributors are more cutthroat than the larger mofos. And personally what I understand is that anyone who hates InBev (this is going to be a generalization) hates distribution of any sorts. Me personally I think it's great to be able to get 2 day old beer from CT or MA or any floccin where in the US in NYS.. or anywhere.
See I've never had WW but hell if they get up to NYS I'll be siked! And I'll partake. I've been hypocritical before but if the tables turn I imagine that it's only a matter of time before these folks ​who are f the big man would turn full circle. (I guarantee they have one brew that they still drink that is BMC) ...but to each is own and this is merely just another drunken ramblings and my social psychology perspective
Excellent write up by Chris Herron. Gives a deeper perspective into why AB Inbev is going in this direction.
I get tired of people just throwing up the... 'If someone through millions at me I'd take the money and run too!' Of course we would, but anybody that truly cares about the industry can find some great insight in this article.
http://goodbeerhunting.com/blog/2017/5/5/watch-the-hands-not-the-cards-the-magic-of-megabrew
I get tired of people just throwing up the... 'If someone through millions at me I'd take the money and run too!' Of course we would, but anybody that truly cares about the industry can find some great insight in this article.
http://goodbeerhunting.com/blog/2017/5/5/watch-the-hands-not-the-cards-the-magic-of-megabrew
Quaker
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Agree. That was a more business savvy perspective than most editorials on the topic.
It really doesn't work that way though. ABInbev took over distribution in my area and the shelves have changed a lot since then. The bottle shop I normally buy from got loads of Sofie during the first couple of months but in the end we got even less BCBS than we did under the previous distributor. We didn't get any variants. In the end we were left with less overall beer than we had before. Keep in mind that not every region has the same distribution system, and that distributors don't carry the same portfolio.
