A IIPA with ZERO HOPS BOILED IN THE KETTLE??!?! (A hopping technique experiment)

[CityOChampBrew]

so with your fwhing and your hopbursting at the end, what is the estimated ibus you are expecting atm?

 

[bigbeergeek]

so with your fwhing and your hopbursting at the end, what is the estimated ibus you are expecting atm?

No idea. Around 60?

 

[jtejedor]

Neat experiment! Post your results here if you don't mind!

Well initial samples had plenty of hop flavor and aroma but with a soft edge to it. Sample was still quite a few gravity points high and I imagine the roast flavors will mellow out over the next few weeks. This beer is probably not in the same vein as yours as I did have a few additions during the boil but not really all that much compared the massive whirlpool addition. You might have mentioned it before but what kind of water profile did you use with this batch? I tend not to go crazy with the sulfates like others do with their IPAs. I tend to favor a more rounded flavor with my beers.

 

[jtejedor]

Any updates on this batch?

 

[HopOnHops]

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[bigbeergeek]

Update from OP: kegged it today. Dry hopped for 7 days with 2 oz summit, 1 oz amarillo and 1 oz centennial. Gravity sample tasted fantastic. Smoothly bitter and with a surprisingly high level of hop flavor considering there were zero late boil additions. Should be gassed up and representing itself properly in about 2 weeks. Preliminary thoughts are that the sub-isomerization steep is a kicka$$ way to economically preserve flavor and aroma. Stay tuned...

 

[RichBenn]

Unless I missed it, you didn't state the O.G. For a IIPA, it should be 1.070 to 1.090, with an ABV starting at 7.5-10%, with 60-120 IBUs

I calculate 26 IBUs. With that high of alcohol, IBUs need to be up there to balance, in addition to massive late additions and dry hopping.

If it's some other category, then fine, have fun with it. But this is not an IIPA nor is it no hops in the boil kettle.

 

[RichBenn]

Oh, and I should state that this technique would be good for a low alcohol beer with hoppy flavor and aroma.

 

[kaconga]

A IIPA is supposed to taste like it has 60-120 IBUs. It could have less or more but so long as it tastes like one then it can be considered one. The abv is a little hard to fudge though.

 

[bigbeergeek]

Unless I missed it, you didn't state the O.G. For a IIPA, it should be 1.070 to 1.090, with an ABV starting at 7.5-10%, with 60-120 IBUs

I calculate 26 IBUs. With that high of alcohol, IBUs need to be up there to balance, in addition to massive late additions and dry hopping.

If it's some other category, then fine, have fun with it. But this is not an IIPA nor is it no hops in the boil kettle.

Style nazi alert! Chill out brudda, this beer is huge with bitterness, hop flavor and aroma. I have no idea how you calculated 26 IBUs, the gravity sample tasted more like 70 ish IBUs to me -- it's hard to nail down this early with the dry hops as fresh as they are. OG was 1.075, FG was 1.010. I assure you, the beer is a IIPA and you need to have one and mellow out a bit with the condescending "have fun with it" silliness. The "kettle hops" semantics was dealt with many, many posts ago.

 

[RichBenn]

My, we are sensitive, aren't we! I was being factual, and I truly meant "have fun with it". Sorry if that offends. I've played around alot with techniques like you are doing, but to get flavor in low alcohol beers. High alcohol beer can handle the hops early and produce hop candy, without tasting bitter, as long as there are late additions

FWI used Beersmith to get the IBUs. 1.5 oz. in 15 gallons is all you have for bittering, which gives the under 30 number. Could be a bit over 30 IBU depending upon the alpha acid of the Horizon, but those are the facts.

Don't shoot the messenger.