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m00ps

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Location
Paducah
Recipe Type
All Grain
Yeast
Conan or WY1318
Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter
WY3711 or Belle Saison, about half the size of the primary yeast
Batch Size (Gallons)
5.5
Original Gravity
around 1.078
Final Gravity
below 1.010
Boiling Time (Minutes)
60
IBU
dont care
Color
orange
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp)
2-3 wks in the mid 60s
Tasting Notes
huge nose, tastes like OJ (duh), stupidly hoppy, little bitterness, clean finish
Against the vehement protests of my friends, I decided to post this due to the number of PMs requesting it. Sorry for the hop shortage this year everybody. My bad

================Grains=====================
9 lb 2 row
2.25 lb flaked wheat
2.25 lb flaked oats
0.5 lb acidulated malt
0.25 lb wheat flour
1.5 lb cane sugar
================Hops======================
@30: 1 oz apollo
@10: 1 oz mandarina bavaria / 1 oz summer / 1 amarillo
@0: 1 oz mandarina bavaria / 1 oz summer / 2 oz amarillo / 2 oz apollo
@hopstand: 2 oz mandarina bavaria / 2 oz citra/ 3 oz Exp7270
@dry: 1 oz citra / 1 oz Exp7270
@dry2: 1 oz citra / 1 oz amarillo
@keg: 1 oz citra / 1 oz amarillo
===============Procedure====================
mash at 150F for 60min
mashout at 168F for 10min
boil for 60min
add another few tablespoons of flour during the boil
hopstand for 60min before chilling
add the hopstand addition around the 30min mark or once the wort drops below 180F
ferment in the low 60s, let rise to room temp a few days before packaging
dry hop 1 about a week before packaging
dry hop 2 3-4 days before packaging, add keg hops if bottling
================Notes======================
- This is not an IPA and it does not taste like one
- It is not advisable to use this amount of hops in a beer
- I use the flour just to get the beer permanently hazy and resemble OJ. Even in the keg, it will not clear. From a bit of research it looks like it adds around 0.001 to the OG. Feel free to leave it out
- In the boil, the flour can clump up. It helps to first dissolve it in a bit of hot water and add this mixture
- The yeast is a key component. It provides some fruity esters to work in tandem with the hops and has poor flocculation to help with the haze factor
- The saison yeast also is key. It gets it to attenuate down past 1.010 to get it super dry and refreshing, despite the abv. I've had some people tell me it is reminiscent of an easy drinking summer seasonal but way more flavor obviously
- I add the saison yeast pretty early into fermentation because I want some of the zippy citrus character from the 3711. You could just wait until 4-5 days for very little flavor impact if you want
- I used 85% expected attenuation due to the saison yeast
- I backed off the typical 60min bittering charge to account for the large hopstand. The hopstand does impart some small amount of bitterness and at these amounts, I've found it best to adjust the bittering addition. 1/2oz or so at 60min would probably work too, but I wanted a bit of flavor from the Apollo
- I've toyed with the idea of using Summit instead of Apollo. I had both on hand last time I made this, but my Summit had the infamous garlicky smell so I decided to save it. The cleaner Summit I've had before would work well as a sub for about anything here
- Any other citrus-geared assertive hop could be subbed for the EXP7270. I got a bunch cheap and love the profile

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Thank you

I think the one I sent you was a bit different from this one. Got lazy and just copy and pasted from a previous message so that was my previous version. They both turned out great though
 
So are you finding that even with low mash temp and sugar that Conan won't attenuate enough to hit the lower fg hence your need to add more yeast to primary.
 
So are you finding that even with low mash temp and sugar that Conan won't attenuate enough to hit the lower fg hence your need to add more yeast to primary.

Conan usually attenuates around 80% for me in my IPAs. Ive heard it can be a bit lower if its a first generation though. I think I should revise the 85% attenuation since I think it gets closer to 90% with the saison yeast. But by just using Conan alone, I haven't been able to get it below 1.010. The last 2 of these I did got to 1.006 and 1.005 with the saison yeast. This made them around 9.5% but was more drinkable than any DIPA Ive ever had
 
Conan usually attenuates around 80% for me in my IPAs. Ive heard it can be a bit lower if its a first generation though. I think I should revise the 85% attenuation since I think it gets closer to 90% with the saison yeast. But by just using Conan alone, I haven't been able to get it below 1.010. The last 2 of these I did got to 1.006 and 1.005 with the saison yeast. This made them around 9.5% but was more drinkable than any DIPA Ive ever had

Wow that's almost saison dry for an IPA.
 
Wow that's almost saison dry for an IPA.

Yeah, I really think that is the main thing that makes it so drinkable. I add the saison yeast at the same time because I like the flavors it adds, but you can delay pitching to minimize flavor impact if you want.

I saved some of them before the keg kicked and will be sending you one BTW along with the other stuff
 
Thanks m00ps! Can't wait to try it if there are any hops left!

I had the honor of trying one of these bad boys (at least it was the version before I believe) and I highly recommend trying this. Not too hoppy at all, very JUICY!
 
Yeah, I really think that is the main thing that makes it so drinkable. I add the saison yeast at the same time because I like the flavors it adds, but you can delay pitching to minimize flavor impact if you want.

I saved some of them before the keg kicked and will be sending you one BTW along with the other stuff

Awesome thanks.
 
I am so conflicted on the Saison yeast. Hate the flavor profile, but do love me some super dry IPAs.

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3711 might be a good strain to consider then. I've found it to be relatively neutral, at least as far as saison strains go (though I've never used one in an IPA before).
 
I am so conflicted on the Saison yeast. Hate the flavor profile, but do love me some super dry IPAs.

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Id try adding a small starter a few days into fermentation then. Let the primary yeast lock in the flavor profile first and then add it
 
I had a beer I fermented from ~1.084 to ~1.008 with Irish ale yeast due to high cane sugar and low mash temp. Then added 3711 to get it to 1.003. It's all saison yeast flavor. Does Conan and the absurd amount of hops truly cover up some of the saison yeast flavors?
 
I had a beer I fermented from ~1.084 to ~1.008 with Irish ale yeast due to high cane sugar and low mash temp. Then added 3711 to get it to 1.003. It's all saison yeast flavor. Does Conan and the absurd amount of hops truly cover up some of the saison yeast flavors?

The hops pretty much cover up every bit of it each time I've made it. I am very familiar with the citric tinge in the finish that 3711 usually imparts though and ive at least convinced myself its there.
 
Sounds good to me. This probably will be the first recipe I copy 100%. Great work breaking traditional rules of brewing.
 
I'm guessing with over 1lb of hops in a 5 gal batch :) they'll cover up any other flavor so.
 
doing the 3rd brew of this sometime over the weekend. Got the starters going now. Grain bill is the same. Tinkering with the hop schedule and gonna try Meridian instead of Summer
 
No, its 5.5gal I can't do anything larger than like 6 gal on my system
 
@m00ps care to elaborate at all on the flameout/hopstand additions, or tell me if I am thinking on the right track.... So at 0 minutes, add the last additions and then cut the flame off? As for the hopstand what is your recommendation for this for temperature and time? Do I want to cut the flame off after the 0 min addition, then add the hopstand additions and just whirpool/let it sit without doing any cooling at all? Then cool it after a certain amount of time?

I know your use a hop spider during your boils you've mentioned, do you empty this and use it for your hopstand additions too?
 
I just leave all the hops in there the whole time. So I take that into consideration for stuff like the 10min addition since they will be sitting in pretty hot wort for a while, though not boiling hot.

I usually add the 0min, stop the boil, put on the lid, and turn on my pump for recirculation. With my old system, I just stirred with a spoon every now and then which had been sanitized in the boil.

I wait 30min or so and try to keep an eye on the temperature. Usually its at 170-180F by then, so I add the "hopstand" addition and let it go another 30min. I realize maybe I made a poor choice of words since the flameout addition was also hopstanded...

Sometimes itll cool quicker cause its cold outside and I open a window to let out moisture and heat from the boil. If theres anything very different, I go by the temp rather than time. I try to let the last addition have at least 20min before I start chilling though
 
I just leave all the hops in there the whole time. So I take that into consideration for stuff like the 10min addition since they will be sitting in pretty hot wort for a while, though not boiling hot.

I usually add the 0min, stop the boil, put on the lid, and turn on my pump for recirculation. With my old system, I just stirred with a spoon every now and then which had been sanitized in the boil.

I wait 30min or so and try to keep an eye on the temperature. Usually its at 170-180F by then, so I add the "hopstand" addition and let it go another 30min. I realize maybe I made a poor choice of words since the flameout addition was also hopstanded...

Sometimes itll cool quicker cause its cold outside and I open a window to let out moisture and heat from the boil. If theres anything very different, I go by the temp rather than time. I try to let the last addition have at least 20min before I start chilling though

Thanks for clarifying! Are you using a pump for whirlpooling with your system? More curious than anything, I'm about to purchase a 10 or 15 gallon spike kettle with some tax money :rockin: so looking at options.
 
Thanks for clarifying! Are you using a pump for whirlpooling with your system? More curious than anything, I'm about to purchase a 10 or 15 gallon spike kettle with some tax money :rockin: so looking at options.

Nice, I hope the kettle works out for you

I have a SS Chugger? (i think its called) pump and a whirlpool arm that just keeps things moving around in the kettle. I didn't used to have one, and I don't think its entirely necessary. I just needed the pump with the plate chiller I got when I went electric. It really was a cool switch to go from gravity draining to like 5x the speed
 
I really want to try this recipe soon I think. Doesn't look like Exp7270 is easily available anymore. Do you think Mosaic in it's place would work?
 
I really want to try this recipe soon I think. Doesn't look like Exp7270 is easily available anymore. Do you think Mosaic in it's place would work?

Farmhouse brewing supply has some still, though they are from 2014.
 
Farmhouse brewing supply has some still, though they are from 2014.

Yeah, I just got another lb. Ive gone through 2 already last year and they are still very fresh. Super pungent smell. Its so cheap right now there ($14/lb!!!) id act fast. IMO, they are up there with comparative IPA-geared hops that are +$20/lb
 
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