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um, do S like true beer?
Or cheetos?
Why not ? :d*whynotboth.gif*
um, do S like true beer?
Or cheetos?
Why not ? :d*whynotboth.gif*
All im saying is that i reserve a certain level of purity for my True Beer. Not being judgemental of whatever some people choose to make.
This statement itself is kind of judgemental because it implys the beer without hops is "true" beer even though thats not necessarily "true" at all...
Beer has been a constantly evolving this over centuries... As far as known history, the Egyptians made beer that was closer to mead and its been evolving ever since as people discovered better things to improve it along the way and one way was to balance the cloying sweetness and preserve the beer. They used hops as well as what was available to them at the time.. (American colonists used pine cones)...
Research shows despite the romanticized stories many earlier beers where actually pretty terrible tasting with wild yeasts coming out infected and different tasting each time since nothing was known of sanitation (or yeast) at the time... many brewers would have a "Magic paddle" they used to make the beer and this was used to inoculate the beer with yeast that was growing on it. This is also one of the reasons for the stereotyped cauldron for the witches as many brewers were women that wore pointy hats to advertise their craft until the church decided they were unwanted competition and coincidentally the "witch" was born and many brewers were burned at the stake.
To simplify it , Pagans were around long before Christianity was born... does that make it the "True" religion?
To simplify it , Pagans were around long before Christianity was born... does that make it the "True" religion?
So this about religion now?
Can politics be far behind?
Maybe. But Christians definitely invented true wine . No grapes even needed! Just water!
...yet it seems any thread where someone tries to talk about the benefits of LODO brewing, with substantive factual brewing literature as it's basis, gets locked and pilloried!
Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher (circa the early 1800's)All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
...yet it seems any thread where someone tries to talk about the benefits of LODO brewing, with substantive factual brewing literature as it's basis, gets locked and pilloried!
There's nothing wrong with talking about LoDO, as long as it's related to the topic of the thread. No thread has been closed for discussing LoDO. One common reason that a thread gets locked is that it has descended into name calling, bickering, and mostly OT comments. Once a thread goes off the rails, that can be the end of the thread.
I'm posting a bit of educational material instead of just deleting the quoted post as "off topic." Hopefully it will help folks understand why moderation occurs.
doug293cz
HBT Moderator
There's nothing wrong with talking about LoDO, as long as it's related to the topic of the thread. No thread has been closed for discussing LoDO. One common reason that a thread gets locked is that it has descended into name calling, bickering, and mostly OT comments. Once a thread goes off the rails, that can be the end of the thread.
I'm posting a bit of educational material instead of just deleting the quoted post as "off topic." Hopefully it will help folks understand why moderation occurs.
doug293cz
HBT Moderator
I truly appreciate the moderators posting and not deleting, and my post above is the first time I have EVER posted anything about LODO. I have been an active member for almost ten years-- I read a lot (generally at least once a day), but I personally try to only post when I have something of value I think will benefit the community.
But I still find humor/ridiculousness in the below response when there is a sense of a "benevolence" in allowing my "off topic" commentary to exist in this thread rather than be deleted even though it is "off topic" when this freaking whole thread is one big OT cluster!
I cannot imagine, nor would i personally want to, what moderating forums is like. That said, my commentary above references LODO but is a greater comment on moderation on the forum in general from a long time user-- albeit yes I have noticed that threads on LODO seem to get heated, labored, edited, deleted, and locked seemingly the most in the last year or two.
The problem with that specific topic, is I find the topic fascinating, but only to try and return to threads at later time and cannot find them at all or wholly difficult to follow because of editing.
I hope my "tone" is not coming across as disparaging, rather as one that has just been discouraged at times... because to me, and again it is my perception and what I am reading/engaging with, it just seems like there is a ton of garbage posts on here that last into perpetuity, and others with actual brewing value that get edited to nothing, or not allowed to develop because of snarky, petty, trolling, whatever you have posting-- and then being locked, etc.
Again, thanks to the moderators though... managing so many thousands?!? of daily users from across the world has to be a challenge.
:smack:
And a so that apparently I am "on topic" (insert tongue in to cheek)!
Its not a gruit. It is beer that is down to the bare bones of what beer is and yhen ratcheted up again in my own style. You can be critical all you want. I cant really release my details as they are confidential in preparation for my launch.
You can cut the condescending tone any time 2015 join daters
My ears are burning
Glad to hear you are alive, you worry me
it's funny how people get all bent out of shape when i just try to give some advice.
all im saying is that in major homebrew contests True Beer wins every time for aroma, taste and overall.
Ah ha! I knew something was up when our tour guide at Sierra Nevada took us into that room that had the HOP ROOM sign on the door and bales of hops the size of refrigerators in bins about the room. I just couldn't piece it together until now. It was a distraction to pull our attention away from the man behind the curtain and what was really going on at the brewery.No hops is the secret that the pros use.
it's funny how people get all bent out of shape when i just try to give some advice.
all im saying is that in major homebrew contests True Beer wins every time for aroma, taste and overall. No hops is the secret that the pros use. I will be posting my recipe soon.
it's funny how people get all bent out of shape when i just try to give some advice..
I only saw this thread because an unrelated condescending comment that the OP made in another completely unrelated thread and then the need he felt to talk about the superiority of his "True Beer" in another thread which was about brew room pc setups which he was mocking.It's more the way you came in here with this smug superiority about what you're doing, and then withheld any details about what you actually did except not using hops. That's not advice, that's self-congratulatory nothingness at best, or trolling at worst.
In other words...
I dont believe for a second that the pro brewers are making and selling beers made without hops... This comment makes me question your knowledge. Do you think hops are conspiracy or something?
im not saying its the only secret but its the major one. never heard of sierra nevada, so i cant comment on that
I dont believe for a second that the pro brewers are making and selling beers made without hops... This comment makes me question your knowledge. Do you think hops are conspiracy or something?
it's funny how people get all bent out of shape when i just try to give some advice.
all im saying is that in major homebrew contests True Beer wins every time for aroma, taste and overall. No hops is the secret that the pros use. I will be posting my recipe soon.
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