Rye ESB Question

[Saxomatic]

Hi Everyone

Im Planing on brewing 2 beers next week
One Regular ESB an another one with RYE

How much rye you suggest to add to my grain bill to have a subtle but present rye flavor that will match my Phoenix / Golding hops additions ?

Im also planing on using some honey to have a sweet bite to it
When should i'll had the honey ?

Ill post my grain bill of my partial mash later on ...

Thanx for any inputs !

 

[corkybstewart]

I like 20-30% rye in my pale ales, it's not so much that it's hard to lauter but enough to taste.
As for honey it will ferment out completely and leave no sweetness at all. It will thin the beer down with the extra alcohol. If you want a hint of honey taste look into honey malt. I've never used it but I hear that's what it's for.

 

[Saxomatic]

Type: Partial Mash
Batch Size: 23.00 l
Boil Size: 20.76 l
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Vol: 19.76 l
Final Bottling Vol: 22.50 l
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage
Date: 24 Jan 2014
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Equipment: My Equipment
Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 75.0 %
Taste Rating: 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
1.000 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 18.9 %
0.500 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 9.4 %
0.500 kg Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 3 9.4 %
0.300 kg Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) Grain 4 5.7 %
0.250 kg Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 5 4.7 %
0.250 kg Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 6 4.7 %
0.500 kg DME Sparklinf Amber (Briess) (10.5 SRM) Dry Extract 7 9.4 %
1.00 oz Phoenix [10.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 35.3 IBUs
1.00 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [7.20 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 9 19.1 IBUs
0.50 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [7.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 6.2 IBUs
1.00 oz East Kent Goldings (EKG) [7.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg London ESB Ale (Wyeast Labs #1968) [124.21 ml] Yeast 12 -
2.000 kg DME Sparklinf Amber (Briess) (10.5 SRM) Dry Extract 13 37.7 %

Gravity, Alcohol Content and Color

Est Original Gravity: 1.067 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.021 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.1 %
Bitterness: 60.6 IBUs
Est Color: 13.8 SRM

this is a test grain bill
i don't want the Rye to be upfoward i want i nice layer of flavors

I guess .5 KG (1 lbs) might be not enought ... might boost to 1KG instead

 

[corkybstewart]

Compromise and use 750 g for your first attempt, then use more or less next time. Rye doesn't really have a strong flavor so more is good except that it gets sticky and hard to sparge.

 

[Saxomatic]

that's what i'll do ... and if i want that extra TANG ... i'll move towards 1kg

thanx for your input i'll keep you posted


Another question ... my buddy suggested me also to add rice hulls to help on the sticky issue