Hopefully "The Grid" will stand up to all this super-charging...
It’s gone nuts.What's the used car market like these days for something like a Bolt?
Ok, so not a good time to buy. I know the bottom dropped out of the used car market since interest rate hikes but I guess not for EVs.It’s gone nuts.
Ok, so not a good time to buy. I know the bottom dropped out of the used car market since interest rate hikes but I guess not for EVs.
I saw my first Rivian in the wild yesterday...
Cost depends on the location. Tesla superchargers bill by kwh. Usually between .36-.41 cents per. My long drives usually include an overnight stretch. From around 11PM till 5Am, it's much cheaper. I've paid as little as .19 cents per kwh. At home I pay a discounted overnight rate of .12 cents. A full charge costs me $8.11. My state - New Jersey - currently has no plans to add a road tax.I was on a 5 hour road trip yesterday. Pulled into the rest area for bathroom break, and there's a Tesla at the charging station. I wondered how long he was going to be sitting there and how much does the charging cost? Google says its $20-$25 to add 250 miles of range....about $5 cheaper than running my 30mpg gasoline car? Its less expensive to charge at home, but states will soon add a road tax for electric cars to make up for not paying gasoline tax.
I have never waited in line. Will it happen? Sure eventually, but they are adding chargers near daily. The Tesla navigator will re-route you automatically to an open charger if the one you were headed to is full.What if electric cars get more popular and you then have to wait in line to get charged?
Less now after recent price drops. The cheapest model 3 is like $32,000 now after federal incentives.A Tesla is like $50K?
No sales tax on EV's in NJ. I was looking at a $53,000 BMW. I bought a $57,000 Model 3 Performance. Considering no sales tax, I effectively paid the same amount the gas BMW would have cost me.Here in PA, the sales tax alone on that is $3K. Add to that wiring a fast charger at the house, how much is that?
Many electric companies are offering incentives. Mine paid $1500 towards my panel upgrade and charger install. Prior to that I was charging off of a self-installed 240 outlet without issues. I only upgraded because we needed to increase our amps anyway for the hot tub we plan to buy soon.Yes, there are less expensive electric cars, but their limited range isn't going to work for me.
A quick google search shows that for a fast charger you need 240V and 50 amp breaker, similar to adding a dryer or electric stove. So for some houses that's going to mean a service upgrade, or maybe just a Sub-panel can be added? $1500-$2K or more? Charging rate is 37km/hour so you need 10 hours of plug in time to reach a full charge? Looks like a TPITA, to me, but I suppose its something you'd get used to.
Who says you have to do that if you want an EV? I have a paid off 2019 Subaru Outback we'll be keeping until it dies. It sees like 50 miles a week now.I've got like $5k in my old Saab wagon that probably will last another 100K miles if I take care of it. I've got a handful of other cars to run if one starts having problems, I realize most people just have one car, but do you really want to put all your eggs in one basket with all the possible problems that could be part of owning an electric car? Economically, it just doesn't add up for me.
High mileage is exactly why I bought my EV. I'm saving around $300 a month in gas. I average 27,000 miles annually between work (I drive all over NYC for my job) and pleasure. People who drive the average or even less won't really see a savings. I never charge publicly except for road trips. No more inconvenient gas station stops for my regular driving, even on 100+ mile days.I commute a long distance to work and with family commitments run about 30-35K miles a year, if someone can show how the economics of an electric car can work for me, I'd be happy to see that.
There is no trouble shooting. The car tells you what's wrong and can even schedule service appointments for you. For most issues, the technician comes straight to your house. "Recalls" are over the air, unlike my Outback recall that I've been waiting 3 months for the part to come in and will have to give up a day at the dealer fending off the added work they're going to try to get me to pay for while I'm there.I know what I have to do to keep my old cars running good, but a car like a Tesla is for me, overly complicated and likely not easy to trouble shoot. Will the unknown repair costs eliminate any cost savings that come from no oil changes, buying gas, inevitable gasoline engine repairs?
I'm happy to hear this because oftentimes people who don't fully understand the technology choose to act as if they do and have already shut their mind, usually for politics-driven reasons.Yeah, I kind of would like to get an electric car, but right now, its just too expensive, and there are too many unknowns.
Having said all that, I am keeping an open mind, as things change, perhaps the way I'm looking at it will change as well.
I was on a 5 hour road trip yesterday. Pulled into the rest area for bathroom break, and there's a Tesla at the charging station. I wondered how long he was going to be sitting there and how much does the charging cost? Google says its $20-$25 to add 250 miles of range....
What if electric cars get more popular and you then have to wait in line to get charged?
A Tesla is like $50K?
Add to that wiring a fast charger at the house, how much is that?
A quick google search shows that for a fast charger you need 240V and 50 amp breaker, similar to adding a dryer or electric stove. So for some houses that's going to mean a service upgrade, or maybe just a Sub-panel can be added? $1500-$2K or more?
Charging rate is 37km/hour so you need 10 hours of plug in time to reach a full charge? Looks like a TPITA, to me, but I suppose its something you'd get used to.
but do you really want to put all your eggs in one basket with all the possible problems that could be part of owning an electric car?
I commute a long distance to work and with family commitments run about 30-35K miles a year, if someone can show how the economics of an electric car can work for me, I'd be happy to see that.
I know what I have to do to keep my old cars running good, but a car like a Tesla is for me, overly complicated and likely not easy to trouble shoot. Will the unknown repair costs eliminate any cost savings that come from no oil changes, buying gas, inevitable gasoline engine repairs?
Yeah, I kind of would like to get an electric car, but right now, its just too expensive, and there are too many unknowns.
Having said all that, I am keeping an open mind, as things change, perhaps the way I'm looking at it will change as well.
I've got like $5k in my old Saab wagon that probably will last another 100K miles if I take care of it. I've got a handful of other cars to run if one starts having problems, I realize most people just have one car, but do you really want to put all your eggs in one basket with all the possible problems that could be part of owning an electric car? Economically, it just doesn't add up for me.
So how much does it cost to charge the car to drive 27,000 miles?High mileage is exactly why I bought my EV. I'm saving around $300 a month in gas. I average 27,000 miles annually between work (I drive all over NYC for my job) and pleasure. People who drive the average or even less won't really see a savings. I never charge publicly except for road trips. No more inconvenient gas station stops for my regular driving, even on 100+ mile days.
Funny how life works sometimes. Fast forward a year and I now own a 2012 Chevy Volt. Family friend was upgrading and I’ve got twins who just turned 16 and now I don’t need to buy the wife a new car. She is bummed but that non car payment is better spent elsewhere.
My PHEV Prius collects a lot of data as well, but it’s a bit of a PITA to find it buried in all the different menu screens. It does have a useful ‘odometer’ that registers your ‘mpg’ based on how often the ICE kicks in. The maximum ‘fuel economy’ it registers is 199.9 ‘mpg’ which frustrates SWMBO’d (primary driver) since she tries to drive so that the ICE never starts.That's interesting that Tesla saves all your mileage information. My Volt saves my car's MPGe over it's lifetime and since last full charge, but that's it.
I also reset my trip odometer every time I add gasoline, so I get my MPG for the tank, but that's been a habit for years. It came in handy when my Pontiac's fuel gage quit working.
Thanks, so my Honda Civic averages 33 mpg (according to the car's computer) and 31,706 miles would consume 960 gallons of gas.Since I have owned the car I’ve driven 31,706 miles with 9,041 kwh expended.
My average wh/mi is sitting at 285. So $1085 at my home charging rate.
Btw, I was slightly off on the cost to “fill up”. That was at my .09 cents electric rate. It went up a little. I drive a Model 3 performance with an 82kwh battery. So $9.84.
So is it worth it for me to ditch my Honda
It's complicated! Cost of electricity is different everywhere (if you're near a hydroelectric dam, it's cheap). Same for gas. More important is whether you can charge at home. Many people can't, especially in urban settings.So how much does it cost to charge the car to drive 27,000 miles?
I'm looking for your actual costs, not something generic I can look up using google.
How many KW are used?
I can easily come up with an estimate within a few hundred bucks for any of my gas powered cars for 27,000 miles (including oil changes and other engine maintenance).
Electric prices are different all across the country, but if the electric consumption can be determined, anyone can figure out the cost in their area.
The $2277 was the difference in cost of running the Honda vs Charging the Tesla at home for 31,706 miles as Airborneguy indicated.Mostly what Kent said, but to add a few points:
1. Where did you come up with the $2277 fuel cost? Am I missing something? You made a good comparison to mine but then added that number.
I know I can drive 8-9 hours straight through, and then the next day go wherever I want.
I agree with this. If anything, it helps with “driving straight through” because the stops are perfect nap length.I was listening in on a conversation last night about this, a friend with a Model 3 and another considering one. The friend with the Model 3 takes a lot of road trips in it, and doesn't at all mind the charging. In his opinion it was Tesla specific, their superchargers being so fast and widely available. Basically every 3 hours or so he stops and charges, stretches his legs, has a snack, goes pee, things that you might do on a road trip at a gas station or rest stop. His opinion was essentially that his road trip travel habits basically haven't changed one bit.
If you stop every 3 hours, how long do you have to charge to get back to full?Basically every 3 hours or so he stops and charges, stretches his legs, has a snack, goes pee, things that you might do on a road trip at a gas station or rest stop.
So including charging, how long does it take to travel 1100 miles?I agree with this. If anything, it helps with “driving straight through” because the stops are perfect nap length.
I’ve driven to Florida twice in my Model 3, 1100 miles one way. Straight through overnight both times.
I’m a fairly frequent roadtripper. My Model 3 is the preferred choice now unless we’re taking the jetski.
What does your jet ski weigh?Shortest was 19 hours. Longest 21.
It does tow the jetski easily, but it affects the range too much for me to tow with it on a road trip.
What does your jet ski weigh?
A quick Google search shows that a supercharger can get you 200 more miles of range in about 15 minutes
The ski is just under 900lbs and the trailer about 300.What does your jet ski weigh?
I've always wondered if this is the case.Probably affects aerodynamics a lot more than any concern about weight.