Lyles Black Treacle flavor

[Brewsncrabs]

Making a British Brown and adding Lyles Black Treacle. Any ideas how much to add? I used 8 oz blackstrap before and it was fine, but am not sure what flavor this will add.
The recipe is from a fantasy draft so I have to use the ingredients.
9lbs Optic
8 oz Bairds dark crystal
3 oz Crisp Black Patent
1oz EKG at 60
1oz Fuggles at 5
London Ale WLP013

Thanks in advance!

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

I would start with only 4 Oz. Then use that as a baseline by which to determine the addition for future brews.

 

[McKnuckle]

I agree. I brewed an old ale recipe and used 4 oz in a 2.7 gallon batch (2.5 gal keg target).

This was 4.4% of a 5.75 lb fermentable bill, OG 1.060, FG 1.016. Half as much might have been better. The beer has only been in a keg about 5 weeks. It's good, but not great (yet). The treacle leaves a sweet flavor even though as we all know, the sugar has totally fermented away. The treacle seems to cover the malt flavors, or at least, I find the distinction muddled.

 

[Brewsncrabs]

Thanks. I had a feeling 8 oz would be too much. Ill try 4oz this time. Let you know how it turns out!

 

[redarmy990]

I have a recipe book mostly with English brews and the Author uses 3oz of black treacle in 5 gallon batches, that was a beer called old peculiar. if you know the beer you know how good it is, one of my favorite tipples

 

[Brewsncrabs]

thanks. Made a note of that for next time! Wort tasted amazing this morning. Optic malt is nice!

 

[Queequeg]

Recently made an old ale with black treacle, I used a whole Lb. Took a while to mature but taste great from the fermenter now. Going to rack tomorrow to secondary for barrel aging.

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

Would anyone be able to comment upon the difference in the flavor characteristics of Lyle's Black Treacle (~100L) in comparison to Belgian DL-90 Candi Syrup (~90L)? Say perhaps for 4 fluid Oz. of Black Treacle vs. 1 lb. of DL-90 (as these seem to be relatively common respective usage levels between them).

 

[Brewsncrabs]

Obviously my brew was just done yesterday with Treacle, but in the raw form, Treacle is much stronger in the molasses flavor and there are no toffee/bready flavors. I was also surprised at how dark the wort got instantly after adding. I will report back in a few weeks after ferm is complete.

 

[Brewsncrabs]

Update: I kegged this on 11/21. The 4 oz of treacle flavor was evident, but not overpowering. Last night that flavor seems to have diminished some. The beer tastes fantastic. Compared to a similar beer I brewed using 8 oz of blackstrap molasses, the treacle has a nicer, smoother flavor, probably due to the lesser amount used.
I really would like to compare to a British brown. Can anyone provide some names of classic imported British Browns/milds that can be found in the Mid-Atlantic area?

 

[McKnuckle]

The only ones I've seen regularly in NJ are Newcastle Brown Ale and Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale. I have a strong preference for the latter (it's really good).

My 2.5 gallons of Old Ale with 4 oz. treacle is still not really pleasing me after 10 weeks in the keg. But then I guess I used twice as much treacle as you did, assuming your batch was 5 gallons.

 

[Brewsncrabs]

Correct. 5 gallons. I have not had those beers recently, but I def can get them. Hopefully I can find some other British examples. Just split a sack of Fawcett Pearl with a friend and am excited to experiment with that.

 

[Brewsncrabs]

I found Old Speckled Hen the other day. Very tasty!

 

[Dem Castles]

I found Old Speckled Hen the other day. Very tasty!

I know this thread is old, but have you made any other old ales using black treacle?
Trying to make something similar to Founders curmudgeon

 

[Brewsncrabs]

No I have not revisited that ingredient. I remember that you only needed a small amount and it tasted better than molasses. It has been a while since I brewed.