Comments on a Gulden Draak 9000 clone recipe

[luis.salas]

Hi, there.

I was planning to make the CSI clone recipe of this beer but I realized something odd.

The recipe, the odd part (5gal):

10.5lbs Pils
5lb Pale
1.5lbs Dingemans Cara 45
3lbs Amber Candy syrup

OG 1.096
FG 1.014

Full recipe here.

My concern is that if I put that grain bill in Promash I reach the OG without the addition of the candy syrup, and the ABV is +/- 10,5%, that is what the Gulden Draak has.

When you add the sugar to the software, the OG will raise up to +/- 1.126, that is way too much for this beer (for any beer, I guess).

Any ideas on this? Are these guys mistaken in the recipe or is it me?

 

[FunkedOut]

75% efficiency?
that’s what the recipe assumes.

 

[luis.salas]

75% efficiency?
that’s what the recipe assumes.

Yeah, and using that number in ProMash you still get the OG without adding the candy syrup.

 

[FunkedOut]

In BeerSmith, I can get the OG to match, if I set the mash efficiency to 75% & loss to trub and chiller to 1 gallon
Brewhouse efficiency is 62.5% with these parameters.
Single infusion at 145*F to get down to 1.014, yielding 11.1% ABV.

If you have your process modeled well in your software, I would just scale the recipe to match your process, keeping only the fermentable percentages (by weight) and the IBU's.

(%)	Description
52.5	Belgian Pilsner
25.0	Belgian Pale
7.5	Dingeman’s Cara 45
15.0	D-45 Candi Syrup, Inc.

The hops AA and boil times give me a 26IBU, not 25.
16.4 IBU @ 60min (Northern Brewer)
6.6 IBU @ 30min (Spalt)
3 IBU @10min (Hallertau)