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For a second there, I thought we had some crazy irony going on. It sounded like the anchor announced the name of the reporter covering the story as "Carol Sparge" (but it turned out to be "Sbarge").
 
For a second there, I thought we had some crazy irony going on. It sounded like the anchor announced the name of the reporter covering the story as "Carol Sparge" (but it turned out to be "Sbarge").

Ha, yeah! I guess I'm used to seeing her on the news all of the time, so I didn't even realize that.
 
Hahah yea I heard that too...I was seriously thinking about this the other day. How hard is it to filter rainwater into drinking water? My parents have rain barrels that they use to water the yard (drought in NC last summer just like the rest of the south).
 
Just reading the chapter on water from Greg Noonan's New Brewing Lager Beer yesterday. He wrote that rain water is too polluted and changes too rapidly to be an ideal source. I suppose if you filtered with a RO system and built the water profile back up with salts it might be doable. If there was a way to make it work consistently that would be killer.
 
Just reading the chapter on water from Greg Noonan's New Brewing Lager Beer yesterday. He wrote that rain water is too polluted and changes too rapidly to be an ideal source. I suppose if you filtered with a RO system and built the water profile back up with salts it might be doable. If there was a way to make it work consistently that would be killer.

Yeah, from the looks of the video they seem to have the equipment to filter out all of the bad stuff. It's crazy, after a 2 year drought that they said would take a decade to recover from, we've already done it in a year. We've had crazy amounts of rain here...especially in the past month.
 
We had a pretty wet autumn too. I've seriously thought about collecting rainwater, then I looked around and realized that I'm pretty much surrounded by water. I could probably dig 4 feet down and hit a pocket of water. Our lakes were pretty low for a while, but I think this year the lake levels will be up almost to average again.
 
Its not worth it. I recently got a rain barrel, and read that you aren't even supposed to water root vegetable plants with that water, because of all the really nasty chemicals it picks up on your roof as its running down over your shingles.

That seemed a little paranoid to me, but the water in my rain barrel is definitely not clear. It looks a bit like watered down tea. So I won't be using it for beer anytime soon.
 
What if your roof was metal. My barn has a tin roof. Did anyone else see that show "The Colony"? They filtered water from the LA river threw layers of charcoal and sand. Then They boiled it and drank it.
 
I wouldn't use the rain water the comes off my roof. House is overhung by some cherry trees in the back . Therefore a lot of birds and ever see a birds poop after it eats a large quantity of cherrys? I have to wash the roof off at times.
 
What if your roof was metal. My barn has a tin roof.

Naw, mine's shingles. I might be more inclined to drink water off the metal roof. Lord knows what type of nasty chemicals are used to glue together 30 year old shingles :(
 
You could always make your own rain water collector...think giant flat funnel. You only need 7-10 gal per batch, and being in Florida, I can see seasonal potential. I'd let it settle out for sure, maybe adding sulfates and waiting 24 hours to vent sulfur like we do with wine. On my one trip to Hawaii, we stayed in a nice cottage, where only water available was rainwater.
 
The problem is not the bugs, which the sulphor or the boil would kill, or even the bird poop, which would just be gross. Its the toxic chemicals in the roofing material.

Some quick googling has actually just scared the crap out of me. Look here:
http://home.comcast.net/~leavesdance/rainbarrels/safety.html

From the Minneapolis Star Tribune Fixit column of 04/04/06:
"...You can't drink the water collected, nor should you use it to water vegetable gardens. It's likely to be contaminated with chemicals and bacteria. But you can use it to water flower gardens and lawns or to wash lawn furniture, cars, etc...."

From an Environmental Toxicologist with the Minnesota Department of Health (April 2006):
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Rainwater washing off of roofs has been studied to determine the load of contaminants picked up from roofing material. Some rainwater collection systems, intended for drinking water, discard a first "flush" of water off the roof in order to make sure that organic material such as bird droppings do not contaminate collection tanks. The water is then treated for drinking.

But the contaminants that you could be worried about are the heavy metals and polyaromatic hydrocarbons from asphalt shingles and other contaminants that may deposit onto roofs from air. It appears that contaminants that rainwater washes off of shingles may be a significant source of surface water contamination. The contaminants that are washing off of roofs include zinc, lead, chromium, arsenic, and polyaromatic hydrocarbons. It is similar to what you might collect off of a parking lot.

It is possible to find data on the amount (concentrations) of chemicals in rainwater from asphalt roofs. However, I was not able to find information on whether or not the levels were high enough to accumulate in garden plants intended for consumption.

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From another website: "When NOT to use a rain barrel for watering: If you have certain kinds of roofing material you shouldn't use rain barrels for watering plants. If your roof is made of wood shingles or shakes that have been treated with any chemical (usually chromated copper arsenate-CCA) to make them resistant to rot and moss, lichen and algae growth, don't water your plants from a rain barrel. Water collected from copper roofs or copper gutters also should not be used. Zinc (galvanized metal) anti-moss strips-usually mounted at the roof peak-also produce toxic chemicals you don't want in your garden. Don't use rain barrels if you have these strips (you may want to remove them), or if you have had your roof treated with moss-, lichen or algae-killing chemicals within the last several years. Note that nowadays there are asphalt shingles on the market which have zinc particles imbedded in the surface. Check your shingle specifications if you have recently re-roofed.

In addition, general practice is to avoid watering vegetables and other edible plants, such as herbs you plan to use in cooking, with rain barrel water collected from asphalt-shingle roofs. These kinds of roofs may leach various complex hydrocarbon compounds, so most people avoid using water from asphalt-shingle roofs or flat tar roofs on plants meant for human consumption. To date there is no definitive research on the amounts and types of hydrocarbon compounds which may leach from such roofs, though it is common practice to use water collected from asphalt-shingle roofs for watering ornamental plants and shrubs. Enameled steel and glazed tile roofs generate little or no contamination and rainwater harvested from them is commonly used to water vegetables."

From a University of Minnesota Horticultural Specialist (April 2006):
[paraphrase] The advice of not using rain barrel water in vegetable gardens is sound and precautionary. Such water should not be used for drinking or for vegetables. Until a detailed study can be conducted, the best advice at this time is to use the water for ornamental landscape plants/lawns.

From a Physician with the California Public Health Service (March 2009):
1) In California (and probably across the nation), rooftops are often sites for raccoon latrines. Raccoons leave feces on rooftops, usually where valleys form, or alongside the intersection of walls and roofs. The danger is the Raccoon roundworm (Baylisascaris procyonis), which is a common intestinal parasite in the raccoon. The roundworm eggs are found in the raccoon feces and the eggs develop in the feces -- often surviving for over a year in dried raccoon feces. These roundworm eggs can be found in roof runoff water; an internet search on "raccoon latrines" will give several references.

2) Many shingles are now made with a mild algicide and/or fungicide. Usually this is a copper compound, but may be a more complex chemical.

Wow. I think if I had read this before, i might not have even bought my rain barrel. I think this clearly indicates that its a bad idea to use this water for anything beer-related. Hell, we prob shouldn't use it for anything other than watering the lawn and shrubs.
 
So, in open space, build a frame, stretch visqueen over it, cut a small hole in the center, and hang a bucket, or better yet, funnel directly into a carboy from the center. Then let settle, siphon, and boil. Like a large, upside down umbrella. Wait for a shower, and collect yer rain water. 10 feet x 10 feet x 1 inch rain storm = 62 US gallons. I may be slightly wrong with the math, but you get the picture?
 
First post long time lurker.

I use rain water almost exclusively and love the soft water qualities. It is a great base to build from. I have a cement tiled roof that flows into a 3000 Liter (792 Gallon) poly tank. I know alot of people who use it here in Australia as there is a drought on atm. I also use it to chill which saves me a ton of money in my water bills.
 
First post long time lurker.

I use rain water almost exclusively and love the soft water qualities. It is a great base to build from. I have a cement tiled roof that flows into a 3000 Liter (792 Gallon) poly tank. I know alot of people who use it here in Australia as there is a drought on atm. I also use it to chill which saves me a ton of money in my water bills.

That's awesome. Being that the Brewery in the video is near downtown Atlanta, I would assume that they have a pretty sophisticated filtration system, as to filter out the pollutants is the air surrounding a major metropolitan area. Hell in the Summer time, we have some days where they recommend anyone with allergies to not even leave the house due to the poor air quality.
 
Even if you can't use it to brew with, using it to chill is an awesome idea. Especially if you're in an area where your groundwater doesn't get much cooler than air temp anyway.
 
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