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So I found this in their blog, listing the schedule for the PC strains that will be released this year:

https://wyeastlab.com/resource/2025-private-collection-preview/

Q1: January to March
1217-PC West Coast IPA
2272-PC North American Lager (Christian Schmidt)

Q2: April-June
2035- PC American Lager (New Ulm)
3942-PC Belgian Wheat

Q3: July to Sept
2247-PC European Lager
2352-PC Munich Lager II

Q4: October to December
2000-PC Budvar Lager
3463-PC Forbidden Fruit

So you can plan if there are any of these you are looking for. I am a fan of the 2035. I’ve used it a few times and I will probably grab that one at least.
 
I really got bummed out a week or so ago when I found out the the 2575-PC Kolsch wasn't going to be available this year. I've got a fresh propagation of their 2565 Kolsch from last year that I coaxed back to life recently, and have more fresh on order, but I really wanted to compare it to the 2575-PC. I'm currently 'auditioning' a group of six Kolsch yeast strains, excluding WLP-029 which has disappointed me in the past. W2565 is probably the front runner, but I've really been impressed with White Labs/Yeast Bay 4061 Rhine Kolsch. It's hard to say which is best since virtually all of them take forever to flocculate out and clear.

Jasper Labs (local) Kolsch has been a bit of a disappointment so far but I'm just into the second step propagation. It ferments and separates quickly (for a Kolsch yeast) and clears well but is hard in a starter propagation to separate from the large amount of trub it leaves in its wake. Still awaiting on the Escarpment Labs Kolsch to find its way from Canada. East Coast Yeast is officially a thing of the past, and I was never able to get any of their Kolsch yeast, which I'm told is/was fantastic.

Before this gets all sorted out I'm likely to have at least 30 gallons of Kolsch on hand for summer consumption. All I will be lacking is an outdoor table near the Rhine, and some Kobes bringing me a constant stream of fuzzy yellow Stanges of this magic elixir. It's a filthy rotten job, but somebody's got to do it!
 
I’m always looking for different British strains. I have a 1469-PC that was an expired pack somebody gave me for free. I made a starter and brought it up. Made a best bitter with it and an oatmeal stout I have working now. That one smells incredible.
 
I really got bummed out a week or so ago when I found out the the 2575-PC Kolsch wasn't going to be available this year. I've got a fresh propagation of their 2565 Kolsch from last year that I coaxed back to life recently, and have more fresh on order, but I really wanted to compare it to the 2575-PC. I'm currently 'auditioning' a group of six Kolsch yeast strains, excluding WLP-029 which has disappointed me in the past. W2565 is probably the front runner, but I've really been impressed with White Labs/Yeast Bay 4061 Rhine Kolsch. It's hard to say which is best since virtually all of them take forever to flocculate out and clear.

Jasper Labs (local) Kolsch has been a bit of a disappointment so far but I'm just into the second step propagation. It ferments and separates quickly (for a Kolsch yeast) and clears well but is hard in a starter propagation to separate from the large amount of trub it leaves in its wake. Still awaiting on the Escarpment Labs Kolsch to find its way from Canada. East Coast Yeast is officially a thing of the past, and I was never able to get any of their Kolsch yeast, which I'm told is/was fantastic.

Before this gets all sorted out I'm likely to have at least 30 gallons of Kolsch on hand for summer consumption. All I will be lacking is an outdoor table near the Rhine, and some Kobes bringing me a constant stream of fuzzy yellow Stanges of this magic elixir. It's a filthy rotten job, but somebody's got to do it!
2575 is by far the best Kolsch yeast I have used! I wait till it gets released, usually a three year cycle, then brew a couple batches.

I have an outdoor table if that helps you!
 
2575 is by far the best Kolsch yeast I have used! I wait till it gets released, usually a three year cycle, then brew a couple batches.

I have an outdoor table if that helps you!
I thought maybe they had released it in both ‘22 and ‘23, according to my LHBS, but apparently not. Not on the ‘25 slate for releasing this year, so no bueno for this year’s competitions. Right now it’s looking like W2565 and WLP-4061 are the main contenders, barring some ‘dark horse’ yeast breaking through. In your experience, what makes the W2575-PC superior to W2565?
 
These are the ones that make me wish I was good at yeast banking. I’ve tried making slants with miserable results.

I thought there was an article or a topic years ago about reviving yeast from your bottles. If you bottle any of your beer then each bottle has yeast in it, right? I wonder how long that would be good for to where you could pour your beer and then pour the last bit into a flask or whatever and make a starter again? To keep one of these limited strains we can’t get going once we have it.
 
I thought maybe they had released it in both ‘22 and ‘23, according to my LHBS, but apparently not. Not on the ‘25 slate for releasing this year, so no bueno for this year’s competitions. Right now it’s looking like W2565 and WLP-4061 are the main contenders, barring some ‘dark horse’ yeast breaking through. In your experience, what makes the W2575-PC superior to W2565?
The flavors from the PC version seemed to be "brighter" and it lets the malts stand out a little more than what I could taste from the 2565.

I have yet to find a good replacement, I keep reading what others are using.

I thought 2575 was last released in 2023. Could be wrong though.
 
The flavors from the PC version seemed to be "brighter" and it lets the malts stand out a little more than what I could taste from the 2565.

I have yet to find a good replacement, I keep reading what others are using.

I thought 2575 was last released in 2023. Could be wrong though.
April-June 2024 was the last release according to the Wyeast site
 
The flavors from the PC version seemed to be "brighter" and it lets the malts stand out a little more than what I could taste from the 2565.

I have yet to find a good replacement, I keep reading what others are using.

I thought 2575 was last released in 2023. Could be wrong though.
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April-June 2024 was the last release according to the Wyeast site
As usual I'm at least one year behind: '23 & '24 verses '22 & '23. Now I'm really bummed out that their main competitor (White Labs) has no remaining WLP-4061 "Rhine Kolsch" available, not even for pre-order on their Yeastman portal site, at least for Home Brew pitch sizes. They do show availability for Pro Pitch brewery sized pitches shipping in April. For $295, plus over $100 for shipping.

I'm waiting to hear back from their Customer Service folks about whether HB pitch sizes will be made available with that production batch, but I'm not counting on it. That stepped propagation I've got in the beer fridge has just increased significantly in value for me. I hope I can get a few more generations out of it without too much genetic drift. Sure wish I had my own lab and bioreactor to culture some more, instead of Mason jars in a moldy basement and a bucket of StarSan. <sigh>
 
As usual I'm at least one year behind: '23 & '24 verses '22 & '23. Now I'm really bummed out that their main competitor (White Labs) has no remaining WLP-4061 "Rhine Kolsch" available, not even for pre-order on their Yeastman portal site, at least for Home Brew pitch sizes. They do show availability for Pro Pitch brewery sized pitches shipping in April. For $295, plus over $100 for shipping.

I'm waiting to hear back from their Customer Service folks about whether HB pitch sizes will be made available with that production batch, but I'm not counting on it. That stepped propagation I've got in the beer fridge has just increased significantly in value for me. I hope I can get a few more generations out of it without too much genetic drift. Sure wish I had my own lab and bioreactor to culture some more, instead of Mason jars in a moldy basement and a bucket of StarSan. <sigh>
I feel for you, really, I understand, but this hobby is continually changing so we need to adapt. We really don't have much control over the ingredients we use. From Covid to supply chain issues and local suppliers closing down there's little we can do but adapt to what we can source.

If on a local level we could share more that would be great. Like home brew clubs or just a like minded bunch of brewers.

I don't have the answers. I have had to change my recipes for what I could find. Kolsch is a great example. I brewed a great Kolsch. First it was the grain I couldn't source anymore. I bought a Kolsch grain grown in Cologne. Sure there's others out there but not easily sourced as they used to be. I change, I adapt and move on. It sucks but as I grow older, does it really matter?
 
All my years of brewing, Kolsch was one of the styles I just never got around to. Don’t hate it or have anything against it - there was always just something else I was brewing instead.

Last April our club took a style vote - what style would everybody like to do a “deep dive” on (sorry for using management buzzwords) and learn more about. Kolsch won overwhelmingly. A couple of our guys did a presentation and we tried some commercial examples. Then we all went home and brewed it

I brewed it last year for the first time and I can see why people like it so much. I used 2565. I have limited experience brewing Kolsch but its on my list to do again.

Right now we’re doing Maibock this time.
 
All my years of brewing, Kolsch was one of the styles I just never got around to. Don’t hate it or have anything against it - there was always just something else I was brewing instead.

Last April our club took a style vote - what style would everybody like to do a “deep dive” on (sorry for using management buzzwords) and learn more about. Kolsch won overwhelmingly. A couple of our guys did a presentation and we tried some commercial examples. Then we all went home and brewed it

I brewed it last year for the first time and I can see why people like it so much. I used 2565. I have limited experience brewing Kolsch but its on my list to do again.

Right now we’re doing Maibock this time.
Maibock is another great style. I have brewed that many times and is in my list of favorites just like Kolsch.

I'm brewing a Blonde Doppelbock next. It's on the same order as Maibock, in my opinion. They are all great styles. All this talk about Kolsch has me thinking it should be on my brew list.

That's impressive with your club, doing a deep dive into a style then brewing it. It's very informative to learn about a style the share examples of it. Great way to learn!
 
Kolsch is one of my favorite styles. I brew it a couple times a year. WY2565 was always my go to to yeast. Tried a bunch of split batches, but 2565 always won out until I tried Omega Kolsch II. The LHBS only carries Omega and it does a great job. Haven't tried the WLP4061, but I'll keep an eye out for it. Don't think I have submitted any K-II in any competitions either. The 2565 always did well on the circuit.
 
I love left turns so i'll continue with this. My house yeast is 2565. as I'm writing this my doublebock (1.070) is blowing off after pitching the entire cake from a 1.044 beer. I prefer this style to Miabock, so this is what I serve on May 5th, coincidentally my dads birthday.
 
I love left turns so i'll continue with this. My house yeast is 2565. as I'm writing this my doublebock (1.070) is blowing off after pitching the entire cake from a 1.044 beer. I prefer this style to Miabock, so this is what I serve on May 5th, coincidentally my dads birthday.

Oh, great! Now another 'must brew' style. ;)

Actually, Maibock is a style I've often lusted about brewing but never got around to it. I feel a deep dive coming on! One thing my current Kolsch deep dive taught me is the versatility of Kolsch yeasts. Whether they are hybrids, combinations or genetic mutations of sacc. ceravesae, eubayanus and/or Pastuerianus, or whatever, they are extremely versatile. Use 'em to ferment cream ales, light lagers, pales, you name it. With all this yeast I'm collecting and propagating, I've compiled a long list of different style recipes that will work quite nicely with Kolsch strains.

Maibock was not one of the styles I'd considered, but it looks like it could work well in a mid 50sF fermentation. Normally I'd probably choose an Andechs or Augustiner lager strain. But since (IIRC) Maibock is traditionally brewed in May for Summer/Fest consumption, a low to mid 50F fermentation with Kolsch yeast should be good. Time to hit the brewing books! BTW, my Dad's birthday was May 6, 1921.
 
I had good results using a Kolsch yeast with an Oktoberfest even though that practice goes against some people's thoughts.

Since certain yeast strains, ale or lager, offer different flavors contributions so why not try something different even though it goes against common practices?
 
I really got bummed out a week or so ago when I found out the the 2575-PC Kolsch wasn't going to be available this year. I've got a fresh propagation of their 2565 Kolsch from last year that I coaxed back to life recently, and have more fresh on order, but I really wanted to compare it to the 2575-PC. I'm currently 'auditioning' a group of six Kolsch yeast strains, excluding WLP-029 which has disappointed me in the past. W2565 is probably the front runner, but I've really been impressed with White Labs/Yeast Bay 4061 Rhine Kolsch. It's hard to say which is best since virtually all of them take forever to flocculate out and clear.

Jasper Labs (local) Kolsch has been a bit of a disappointment so far but I'm just into the second step propagation. It ferments and separates quickly (for a Kolsch yeast) and clears well but is hard in a starter propagation to separate from the large amount of trub it leaves in its wake. Still awaiting on the Escarpment Labs Kolsch to find its way from Canada. East Coast Yeast is officially a thing of the past, and I was never able to get any of their Kolsch yeast, which I'm told is/was fantastic.

Before this gets all sorted out I'm likely to have at least 30 gallons of Kolsch on hand for summer consumption. All I will be lacking is an outdoor table near the Rhine, and some Kobes bringing me a constant stream of fuzzy yellow Stanges of this magic elixir. It's a filthy rotten job, but somebody's got to do it!
Super off topic, but @Broothru can you make a thread about your Kolsch yeast work? I would love to see work and findings.
 
Super off topic, but @Broothru can you make a thread about your Kolsch yeast work? I would love to see work and findings.
I'll try to cobble something coherent together, but it's still a work in progress. Right now I have four yeasts that I've home propagated (non-lab) to a third step-up: White Labs/Yeast Bay WLP-4061, Wyeast 2565, Jasper 158, and Escarpment Labs ESC126, all of which are labeled and marketed as derived from core Kolner strains.

The number of propagations is actually five. My first order of WLP-4061 had gotten mishandled by UPS and arrived warm and three days late, well after the promised "2nd Day Delivery". Kudos and props to White Labs who rushed a replacement yeast free of charge, even though the mishandling was not their fault! So I have A & B samples of the WLP "Rhine Kolsch." Each propagated similarly with no discernible difference, even though one sample had endured a day and a half on a loading dock in Jacksonville, FL, in summer heat.

I also have a frozen harvested WLP-029 sample that I used to brew a Kolsch in 2022 that I didn't like at all, as well as an Imperial G03 "Deiter" from a 2023 Kolsch that just did 'OK' in competition judging. Both of them are also touted as Kolsch yeasts. I'm considering reviving them to use as control samples in my comparison propagations, and maybe in pilot batches if they edge out the other contenders.

Of the four (five?) original pitches, after three steps (1.020SG, 1.040SG and a second 1.040SG step), all have achieved FG 1.006 in anywhere from 5 to eight days, cellar temperature 63F-65F, and produced 150-200 ml of dense slurry with a mix of pulsing on a stir plate and 'shaken nor stirred' methodology. I'm not sure what the actual cell count of each culture is, but I observed active fermentation in less than 8 hours in each, and Krausen by the second day, so there's good viability in all of them. My plan going forward is to refrigerate each separate propagation, then pitch each one before using into a fourth step propagation 4-5 days before using half in a fermentation and saving the other half for additional batches and step-propagations.

So those are the steps I've taken so far. The forecast is for warmer temperatures and good weather next week, so I'm considering doing a first pilot batch with one of 'the contenders' mid-week. The preliminary results in the competition for best Kolsch yeast are in the very early stage of "TBD", but so far the clear leaders are the WLP-4061 "Rhine Kolsch" and the late entry Escarpment Labs ESC126 "Kolsch." Both exhibit the desirable faint aromas of "green apple, pear and fresh fruit" without being overpowering or sweet. Both have attenuated at least 80%, so should present a dry, crisp finished beer. But the early lead goes to ESP126 which settles quite quickly, unlike most Kolsch yeasts which are notoriously slow in clearing. Only Jasper 158 cleared faster, remarkably so in fact, but it lacked many of the fresh, light aromas that a Kolsch should have. Also, the yeast seemed "dirty" and quite "chunkie" rather than fluffy and whitish tan in color. The supernatant in the jar was extremely clear, however, and the settled yeast very compact. The Wyeast 2565 did well, both visually and in performance, though the aromas were not nearly as present as the first two. It also shows the same propensity as most other Kolsch strains to take a very long time to settle. This one was the second to be propagated (out of 5 propagations) and is still the cloudiest. It is robust, however, as the sample was six months out of date when it finally got propagated. The freshest was the Escarpment Labs sample that had been manufactured exactly 14 days prior to pitching!

The final proof of course will be in how well each performs in an actual Kolsch wort to produce a superior beer. I'll post with results as things progress. With warmer weather just around the corner, and final clearance from my doctor to start lifting things again, maybe I'll get a start on actually brewing comparison half-batches. My first pilot batch will have the grist bill I used in a Kolsch last year that did well in a local BJCP competition (1st in Category), but was done non-traditionally under pressure with a hybrid yeast. This year I'm attempting to go fully traditional and advance in the Best of Show round of judging.

Wish me luck!
 
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