Been doing some reading and a recipe I found calls for WLP001 liquid. But, not ever having much luck with liquids in the past, I saw that there is a WLP001 dry version. Has anybody tried it and how were the results? I have a package of BRY97 that I could use but not sure if that would be the same thing. Any input is always welcome. Rock On!!!!!
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That's why I am wondering if there is something similar so I can save a few bucks. LOL.
The least expensive Chico-related strain is likely the dried Fermentis US-05, but even that's going for $6-7 these days...
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A quick price check of "the usual" online places (ritebrew, amazon, ...) shows US-05 is available for around $3.50 per package (including shipping).
BRY-97 is a often a reasonable substitute for the various "chico" strains (WLP001 liquid, US-05, ...).
I have a sachet (from back when one of the online stores was offering it free with a $89-ish purchase); but haven't used it yet. I wanted to refine my SNPA-inspired recipe before doing a split fermentation with it.
My LHBS sells US-05 sachets for $4. (S-04 is the same; S-33 is $3; T-58 is $3.50; almost every other beer yeast they carry is crazy overpriced.)
![Craft A Brew - Safale S-04 Dry Yeast - Fermentis - English Ale Dry Yeast - For English and American Ales and Hard Apple Ciders - Ingredients for Home Brewing - Beer Making Supplies - [1 Pack]](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41fVGNh6JfL._SL500_.jpg)
My bad, I asked Amazon and these are the first items listed for "US-05 yeast" when the filter is set "Low to High" price.
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Cellarscience Cali is 3.99 at morebeer.com. It's very similar to us-05.
Yeah, Amazon is often rather expensive for small, cheap items due to the "free" shipping. You can get yeast in 3 or 5 packs for decent prices (though I am never sure how well it is stored).
I have found that Label Peelers is the cheapest if you want just 1 or 2 packs and their price includes shipping (US-05 for $4.60 right now). Ritebrew is the cheapest if you are getting a few packs, and they have a further discount with 10+ packs of yeast (1 pack of US-05 with shipping showed as $6.05).
Though I do usually try to pick up dry yeast packs at my local shop as I know they can use the business (US-05 at $4.99) and I am lucky to still have a local shop.
It almost doesn't matter how dry yeast is stored.
Ok, so if I am reading this right, BRY97 would be an ok sub for dry WLP001? I might order the dry WLP001 just to see what happens. I am going to do a bit more research on how to cultivate yeast from the slurry of a brewed beer though, as it seems the prices are going up and for the cost of a few mason jars I can have a few strains at my ready. Any additional comments regarding dry WLP001 or anything else are always welcomed. Rock On!!!!!!!
It'll likely be September before I could write with actual experience wrt BRY-97 vs the other "Chico associated" strains I have used (wlp001, wy1056, us-05) but I was drawn by this article - and a goal to replicate the original Ballantine IPA - to give BRY-97 a try The Complete Guide to the "Chico" Strain of Yeast - Beer Maverick
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I have had great luck with BRY97. It started a bit slow for me, but once it gets going it is a beast, at least in my experience. The beers I have done finished very clean and clear. I liked it and will continue to use it when appropriate. (LIsten to me talking like a pro, when in reality, a novice at best. LOL)
Also, awesome read on the yeasts I have used. I am glad to see that most of what I have used is interchangeable and I can sub if needed. So, BRY97 will be used instead of WLP001 as I have an extra packet of it on hand. Rock On!!!!!!
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Is it my poor knowledge of British geography, or am I detecting some bullschitt in the BeerMaverick's article:
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LOL, I missed that the first time. That is funny if it is a joke.
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A joke of such kind also means the entire article's a BS and tells nothing on the real origin of the strain 
A German brewer with a German yeast in the middle of an Angloscottish Fairyland, really?
What a shame for such an otherwise reliable website.
I'm rather ready to believe Chico may be descending from one of those Kölsch-like strains German immigrants brought to the US in the last half of the 19th century, The "German takeover" of the previously mostly British-fashioned American brewing scene of the time is a well-documented process.
A German brewer with a German yeast in the middle of an Angloscottish Fairyland, really?What a shame for such an otherwise reliable website.
I'm rather ready to believe Chico may be descending from one of those Kölsch-like strains German immigrants brought to the US in the last half of the 19th century, The "German takeover" of the previously mostly British-fashioned American brewing scene of the time is a well-documented process.
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Background: IIRC, the origins of BRY-96 are (publicly, maybe completely) unknown.
mostly for those who don't follow links ...
mostly for those who don't follow links ...
-- link to the blog at Anspach & Hobday
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Thanks, have seen that already. That's most probably true, the exact origin is unknown. Why then the Mavericks disinform the readers?
Where on earth "Jigsaw, Puzzleshire" is located? Next to Unicornshire, I may speculate? There's no such location on the British Isles as far as I know. It sounds like a made up nonexistent location. That's why I call this a BS.
If someone might drop GPS coordinates for the place, I'm ready to change my opinion and to expand my scope of the British geography.
As yet though, all my googling for "Jigsaw, Puzzleshire" returns the same Chico origin topics.
Where on earth "Jigsaw, Puzzleshire" is located? Next to Unicornshire, I may speculate? There's no such location on the British Isles as far as I know. It sounds like a made up nonexistent location. That's why I call this a BS.
If someone might drop GPS coordinates for the place, I'm ready to change my opinion and to expand my scope of the British geography.
As yet though, all my googling for "Jigsaw, Puzzleshire" returns the same Chico origin topics.
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That was my assumption.
OTOH, there are a lot of people here who don't follow links.
My thought is that the writer(s) at Beer Maverick searched long and hard for the source of BRY-97 and didn't find a true source. The reference to the blog and fake brewery is perhaps a little "inside baseball".
It is a made up nonexistent location. That's the point. It's obvious, over-the-top BS. That is, a joke.
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Kveik and sourdough shards can be frozen, but how about other yeasts?
Plenty of folks on this forum report storing dry yeast in the freezer. Damage to yeast from freezing comes from ice crystals. No water means no ice means no damage. Theoretically, anyway.
I bought one pack. I'm going to split a batch with it, US-05 and my current favorite Apex San Diego. I might get a brick of San Diego.
https://labelpeelers.com/beer-makin...ex-cultures-san-diego-pacific-ale-yeast-500g/
https://labelpeelers.com/beer-makin...ex-cultures-san-diego-pacific-ale-yeast-500g/
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I keep mine in the fridge. But I use little dry yeast. I’ve been a liquid yeast guy from my first batch. 25 years ago things were different and dry yeast was not as good as it is today. Back then nobody would touch dry yeast. It was stuff that came in a white unmarked packet under the lid of a malt extract kit. And the first thing you did was throw it away.
How anybody can say they don’t have luck with liquid yeast is beyond me. You have multiple companies now with a wide variety of strains for everything under the sun, 1084 is supposedly Guinness yeast, 1056 is supposedly Sierra Nevada’s yeast, 1272 is supposedly from Anchor, etc. To me, that was always the selling point for the liquid yeast - that I can brew with the same yeast these companies do. I understand people say some of that is debunked, but not really. If you go back and look, these yeast companies are telling you where the yeast came from. Gee, “Rocky Mountain Lager Yeast.” Or “Canadian/Belgian Ale Yeast” Or the one that says its the most popular lager strain in the world. If you don’t get this, you’re not paying attention.
Well, since I was the one who said it, I will just say that has been my experience. Maybe I am just not the pro as you are yet, or maybe I am just not good enough, who knows. I have tried liquid twice and both times I had to add dry to get the fermentation going. So, sorry that it is beyond you, but I was just speaking on my experience. Take it for what it is worth, and trust me, it isn't worth all that much. LOL. Have a great day.
Then why do you suppose White Labs decided to start selling dry yeast?
The primary selling point of dry yeast has always been simplicity and the primary selling point of liquid yeast has always been variety. Dry yeast is also generally cheaper, easier to ship without compromising viability, and has much longer shelf life.
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You'd be better off searching for an existing thread where it's already been discussed quite a bit such as this one, which also has White Labs' own comparison of dy versus liquid yeast :
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...yeast-coming-soon.725202/page-3#post-10252804
The dry one won't be much different, it's just a really expensive way to buy yeast that's little different to other dried Chicos when all's said and done.
BRY-97 is not a substitute for a Chico strain, it *is* a Chico strain. It appears to be near-as-dammit a dried version of Wyeast 1056. But as has been noted, it tends to take a while to get going. See the family tree of Chicos in this post, assume that by Imperial M44 they mean MJ M44 which is generally considered to be a repacked BRY-97, then go down to the bottom of the page where a more recent paper suggests BRY-97 is closer to 1056 than US-05, which is still a pretty close cousin of 1056. It's all a bit indirect, but it seems to point to a consistent story. WLP001 is in a separate subgroup of Chicos to 1056/US-05.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...f-white-labs-yeast.642831/page-2#post-8916547
Dry yeast goes off really slowly. I've had dry bread yeast sat in a cupboard at ambient temperature and it still had 40-50% viability after 20 years, it could still make bread albeit not as fluffy as brand new. But on that basis, it goes off at a rate of a few percent per year, even at ambient temperature, so I wouldn't worry too much about how it is stored as long as you're not leaving it for decades.
https://www.whitelabs.com/news-update-detail?id=108
Looks like they added another dry strain. Wasn’t sure if this had been mentioned yet above.
Looks like they added another dry strain. Wasn’t sure if this had been mentioned yet above.
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Two launched, one to go (?) - Back early May, BeerSmith podcast #280 (with Chris White) in the segment on dry yeast (starting at about minute 43:30) three strains were mentioned.
Yeah. I am still a little nervous about dry yeast packs sitting on a shelf in an Amazon warehouse or shipping dry yeast during the summer months, but maybe I should not be. A while back I was given a Brewer's Best Kit that sat around for a year after a cancelled event. The cans of extract were 1-3 months past the best buy date, and resulting "IPA" looked like a brown ale and tasted like toasted cardboard...but that pack of US-05 worked like a champ! I brew with 90% dry yeast these days, and I have no issues with using a pack that has been around for 3 years.
But I will likely stick with my local shop, or vendors like MoreBeer, Label Peelers or Ritebrew for dry yeast.
