Windows 11

[Hoochin'Fool]

Any recommendations? I'm on Linux Mint (Cinnamon)... I'm okay with the command line, if need be, but I like the idea of using the system packages that handle upgrading and whatnot without too much effort on my end. Feel free to tell me to just google this stuff (cuz I haven't looked any further than my software manager app)!

 

[Kent88]

According to a quick Google and a forum post from 09/'21, that top left one, Python3-tk should be what you want, but I'm not guaranteeing anything.

 

[Kent88]

If you're pretty confident you know what you are doing, I'd suggest you install the Synaptic Package Manager, but *don't* ever use it to mark all upgrades. I've used that as my primary software manager for years, and it's terrific, but Linux distributions have moved away from it handling upgrades by default, instead using update managers that help keep users safe from the bleeding edge software that is still being tested.

But if you aren't that confident, don't use it.

 

[balrog]

 

[estricklin]

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Any recommendations? I'm on Linux Mint (Cinnamon)... I'm okay with the command line, if need be, but I like the idea of using the system packages that handle upgrading and whatnot without too much effort on my end. Feel free to tell me to just google this stuff (cuz I haven't looked any further than my software manager app)!

On Linux, it's highly advisable to use a virtual environment for python. Python is used for various system functionality, and you don't wanna go messing with the Python/package versions. I suggest using pip for installing and managing python packages, and venv for your virtual environment.

You should be able to install venv and pip from the Software Manager (I've never actually tried it). If not resort to the "hammer"

sudo apt install Python3.Xx-venv

or something similar should work.

This may help:
https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/guides/installing-using-pip-and-virtual-environments/

 

[day_trippr]

Intel didn't mess around with my Core i9-14900KS return before sending its replacement. They got my old CPU Monday, tested it (and apparently confirmed it was borked) and the replacement arrived today.

The quick turn-around is good for at least one thumb up; if the replacement CPU can keep its poop together it'll be two thumbs up. Looks like this one was fabbed two batches after mine, I doubt they changed the fab process at all but hopefully they tested the KS parts to a tougher spec than before...

Cheers! (Fingers crossed)

 

[day_trippr]

Latest W11 update packs a lot for Copilot systems, not that much for non-Copilot machines...

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-kb5055627-is-a-massive-update-with-a-lot-of-new-features/

 

[sibelman]

whip up a quick-n-dirty WinForms app in C# for any old task and I don't know where to even begin for anything like that in linux.

C# and Linux -- hmm. You'd need the .NET SDK for Linux to do that. There's even a snap for that. Also, Visual Studio Code is still probably available for Linux for what that's worth.

For a "quick'n'dirty WinForms app" under Linux, what I've done is to build a form using LibreOffice, which in turn drives one or more macros that in turn can call programs written in C, rust, whatnot. Not exactly elegant, but it provides a basic GUI (remember PowerBuilder?).

Happy coding, Hooch.

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

JetBrains Rider (IDE for C#) is currently free for non-commercial use. I'm using it on a Mac and so far, it's been a smooth transition from Visual Study 2022. For ideas for replacing WinForms, I found that the latest round of LLMs were useful. Eto.Forms (event based), Avalonia (WPF, MVVM), and GTK# (signal/slot approach) appear to be active projects.

 

[day_trippr]

I received my replacement Intel Core i9-14900KS processor a couple of weeks ago but have been reticent about swapping it for the i9-12900KS I'm currently running because it just seemed that the Raptor Lake fiasco was not fully played out yet. That notion was mostly because I had installed a bios that had the Intel mandated "0x12B microcode" that was supposed to fix everything that ailed that processor series - before my processor crapped its pants, so to speak. So I knew there had to be something lurking out there they had not addressed yet, and have been holding up the swap.

Sure enough, this came out today:
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...releases-0x12f-update-to-fix-vmin-instability

Now I get to wait until ASUS comes out with yet another updated bios before I screw up the courage to put fire on this CPU.

Ugh...

 

[sibelman]

All this sturm und drang re Intel makes me wonder if my next desktop will be ARM-based.

 

[balrog]

I received my replacement Intel Core i9-14900KS processor a couple of weeks ago but have been reticent about swapping it for the i9-12900KS I'm currently running because it just seemed that the Raptor Lake fiasco was not fully played out yet. That notion was mostly because I had installed a bios that had the Intel mandated "0x12B microcode" that was supposed to fix everything that ailed that processor series - before my processor crapped its pants, so to speak. So I knew there had to be something lurking out there they had not addressed yet, and have been holding up the swap.

Sure enough, this came out today:
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...releases-0x12f-update-to-fix-vmin-instability

Now I get to wait until ASUS comes out with yet another updated bios before I screw up the courage to put fire on this CPU.

Ugh...

...not to mention, wondering what the heck were updates 0x12C, 0x12D, and 0x12E.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

...not to mention, wondering what the heck were updates 0x12C, 0x12D, and 0x12E.

Likely--as I don't work for ASUS but understand how code revisions work--those were internal test versions which either didn't fix the problem, or fixed the problem and yet ended up breaking something else and failed regression testing.

From a code version management standpoint, you don't want to go through internal iterations 0x12c, 0x12d, 0x12e, and finally achieve 0x12f which is releasable, and then go back and try to rename it 0x12c because that's the next letter in *released* code versions. All you do there is risk all SORTS of confusion when someone is looking for 0x12c and there are now two versions of it, the internal one which doesn't work and the external one which does... All it takes is one person who lets the wrong version out into the wild and now you'll never know who in the field is running what.

 

[balrog]

Likely--as I don't work for ASUS but understand how code revisions work--those were internal test versions which either didn't fix the problem, or fixed the problem and yet ended up breaking something else and failed regression testing.

From a code version management standpoint, you don't want to go through internal iterations 0x12c, 0x12d, 0x12e, and finally achieve 0x12f which is releasable, and then go back and try to rename it 0x12c because that's the next letter in *released* code versions. All you do there is risk all SORTS of confusion when someone is looking for 0x12c and there are now two versions of it, the internal one which doesn't work and the external one which does... All it takes is one person who lets the wrong version out into the wild and now you'll never know who in the field is running what.

Ha!
I worked in a shop that supposedly used "strict code versioning control" with CA Harvest.

It was always bitterly amusing to me to find a time/date stamp on an in-production executable, which was **LATER** than the version control last check in date/time, and compiling the Harvest version gave different byte count than said EXE.

Because, you know, software engineers sometimes "have" to take code home on their laptops to make quick repairs and don't always "have time" to "finish everything up just to make things pretty".

It was a small-ish place. DB analysts slash system admins were beneath software engineers and should just learn to "figure things out". It was maddening. But fun to revoke random Oracle access to sporadically different database tables to certain users. Not that I'd ever admit to that.

 

[day_trippr]

Phoebe Cam 2025

Lighting sucks but there are three phoebe eggs plus one parasitic house finch egg (the mottled brown one in the back).
If they don't take that one out, I will...

[edit] Last one of these in this thread, but had to show the proud mommy.

 

[z-bob]

I think that's a cowbird egg rather than house finch.

 

[day_trippr]

Nope. This has been going on for many years now, 100% house finches every time...

Cheers!

 

[Kent88]

https://bsky.app/profile/oregonthedm.bsky.social/post/3lpfil4hz622w

 

[Hoochin'Fool]

Linux's command-line "join" command is driving me batty!

 

[sibelman]

Linux's command-line "join" command is driving me batty!

 

[Hoochin'Fool]

Yeah, I read all the man pages for sort AND join. But join insists my file isn't sorted, when it bloody well is. But now I've figured out how to get sqlite3 to import my tab-delimited text files, and I'm a bazillion times more capable in SQL than I am in bash, so I'm happy now!

 

[sibelman]

I just saw this news from North Korea, which reminded me just a bit of Windows Recall.

 

[Ozarks Mountain Brewery]

I have no problems and actually like it better than windows 10 but only on fast computers, my old workhorse dell laptop keeps running out memory, problems are expected on an old pc

 

[day_trippr]

Windows version 25H2 should be an easy update compared to 24H2

..."when you initiate the update from version 24H2 to version 25H2 later this year, it will only take as long as a normal cumulative update. It won't need to reinstall any system files, and will take just a few minutes to download, install, and then a short restart to complete the update. This is unlike the update experience going from version 23H2 to version 24H2, which required an "OS swap" which essentially replaces all your install files with newer versions"....

https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...windows-11-version-25h2-official-announcement

Of course they can still find plenty of ways to bork a stable installation

Cheers!

 

[balrog]

Windows version 25H2 should be an easy update compared to 24H2

..."when you initiate the update from version 24H2 to version 25H2 later this year, it will only take as long as a normal cumulative update. It won't need to reinstall any system files, and will take just a few minutes to download, install, and then a short restart to complete the update. This is unlike the update experience going from version 23H2 to version 24H2, which required an "OS swap" which essentially replaces all your install files with newer versions"....

https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...windows-11-version-25h2-official-announcement

Of course they can still find plenty of ways to bork a stable installation

Cheers!

Mmm-hmmm.

Time will tell.

 

[day_trippr]

Anyone know what the four tiny squares above the drive icon in this properties sheet mean?
Never seen that before...

Cheers!

 

[sibelman]

Anyone know what the four tiny squares above the drive icon in this properties sheet mean?

Maybe your drive is being managed by AI?

 

[day_trippr]

Lol!

I just checked my W10P laptop, and the W11P deskside I built for my wife in April, and both have the same four tiny squares above the C: drive - and now I'm pretty sure it's supposed to look like the Windows logo and indicates which drive was booted into Windows, and I just never noticed it on either Win10 or Win11 until tonight.

This clip is from the left panel in File Explorer and is what I noticed for the first time tonight...

Cheers!

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

The four squares kinda look like a Windows logo, and it's your C drive, so I'm guessing that it's telling you that it's the drive that you've booted your OS from.

 

[balrog]

I just checked my W10P laptop,

You got me.
I had to check.
Yep. Never noticed that before.

 

[burtom]

Windows 11. The worst version of Windows until the next version of Windows.

 

[balrog]

Windows 11. The worst version of Windows until the next version of Windows.

You should work for MS marketing!
I remember thinking every other version Grinched (stink stank stunk) and someone said they had two teams, but I never confirmed that.

 

[Brockness Monster]

Windows 11. The worst version of Windows until the next version of Windows.

Windows 11. Better than Windows 12!

 

[Kent88]

 

[sibelman]

Has your Windows 11 experience been anything like the nastiness described in this harsh indictment? Excerpt:

There is a word for intrusive, unwanted software that intervenes in your work to advertise or engage you in unwanted interaction. The same word describes software that constantly monitors and exfiltrates what’s going on between you and your data. That word is malware...

 

[BrewnWKopperKat]

On Windows 10, search from the start menu is almost that bad. For me, simplest thing possible is to pin apps to the taskbar or start menu.

For the Office 2016 (CD purchase/install), there is still a steady stream of minor feature updates. A "co-pilot" button was added a couple of months ago.

And every couple of months, there's that "we interrupt your work flow to ask that you focus instead on updating to Windows 11" app - which starts automatically and places itself on top of everything else. *sigh*

 

[Zadkiel]

Windows 11. The worst version of Windows until the next version of Windows.

back around the start of the century we used to have a saying that the windows version was the bug count.
Win 3 & NT 4, pretty good
Win 95 & 98, a bit more unstable but not too bad
Windows 2000. Uhoh.
Millenium Edition. Nuke the drive from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. (and to be fair, it was ******* awful)

But then they changed the numbering system and the joke broke

 

[tracer bullet]

Finally went to 11 over last weekend. Immediately installed Start 11 so I could move the bar to the left side of the screen, and set up the 10 style icons (where the window swings out with all the tiles that can be grouped). So far so good, fairly seamless and painless so far.

 

[PCABrewing]

I too took the plunge over the last week.
Not flawless, I bought a new computer and the task has been data and app migration.
The primary issue has to do with my libraries being duplicated. Not data just the index itself.
I see others report the same issue but no definite solution. Has anybody here experienced this?

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

back around the start of the century we used to have a saying that the windows version was the bug count.
Win 3 & NT 4, pretty good
Win 95 & 98, a bit more unstable but not too bad
Windows 2000. Uhoh.
Millenium Edition. Nuke the drive from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. (and to be fair, it was ******* awful)

But then they changed the numbering system and the joke broke

This joke is old, and yet never gets old...