White Rajah Clone

[BUCKNUTS]

I am very curious as to how this turns out.. I read this thread all the way from the beginning and would love to duplicate this brew, as it's become one of (if not) my favorite beers that is easily available (at least in Ohio!).

I may get the stuff necessary to brew it this weekend, as i have to pick up an ounce of citra for a change i made to another beer that I was going to brew soon. I'm glad Amarillo isn't in it, as that hop is hard to find atm.

Keep us posted if you brew one up. I will be brewing this a week from saturday and I'll be sure to post results when it's drinkable

 

[Jeffries55]

Brewing Rjschroed's recipe, except subbing Cascade for Summit (brew store said they've never carried summit) and only using 0.20 lbs of Honey malt (I would have assumed there was none from the taste of it). I recently did an IPA with 2.6% Honey Malt (0.5 lbs) and it turned out overly sweet, if sauce hadn't said it was in there I would have bypassed any dark malts altogether and done strictly pale / car-pils & flaked barley. I'm using WLP001 because the brew store was completely out of 1056... what yeast are you using?

Brewing it as I type this! Hit my target mash temp of 150 spot on! Cheers! (I like to wait until i'm at a boil to have a brew or two, too much running around)

 

[BUCKNUTS]

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[BUCKNUTS]

Brewing Rjschroed's recipe, except subbing Cascade for Summit (brew store said they've never carried summit) and only using 0.20 lbs of Honey malt (I would have assumed there was none from the taste of it). I recently did an IPA with 2.6% Honey Malt (0.5 lbs) and it turned out overly sweet, if sauce hadn't said it was in there I would have bypassed any dark malts altogether and done strictly pale / car-pils & flaked barley. I'm using WLP001 because the brew store was completely out of 1056... what yeast are you using?

Brewing it as I type this! Hit my target mash temp of 150 spot on! Cheers! (I like to wait until i'm at a boil to have a brew or two, too much running around)

I brewed 2 8 gallon batches of ipa on the same day used 1 pound of honey malt in each and i agree with you they are too sweet gets in the way of the hops.

 

[Jeffries55]

I agree with you they are too sweet gets in the way of the hops.

I've learned when it comes to IPA's and Pale ales, you have to treat the darker malts like salt, a little bit goes a really long way. I'm more of a fan of dry, bitter & dank IPA's (RuinTen, Enjoy By, Stone IPA, Two-Hearted, All-Day, etc..) and like little to no malt sweetness... Beersmith is telling me it's going to be 5.0 SRM, which is just dark enough!

 

[Jeffries55]

At a boil at last! Enjoying my Founders all-day IPA clone next to an actual Founders All-Day. Guess which one is mine? (same orientation in both photos)

Will keep you guys updated as this thing progresses (up and to when I compare side-by-side with White Rajah).

 

[BUCKNUTS]

At a boil at last! Enjoying my Founders all-day IPA clone next to an actual Founders All-Day. Guess which one is mine? (same orientation in both photos)

Will keep you guys updated as this thing progresses (up and to when I compare side-by-side with White Rajah).

Not a fan of Founders All Day IPA now their Centennial IPA is a different story that's a tasty IPA

 

[brewski09]

At a boil at last! Enjoying my Founders all-day IPA clone next to an actual Founders All-Day. Guess which one is mine? (same orientation in both photos)

Will keep you guys updated as this thing progresses (up and to when I compare side-by-side with White Rajah).

I'm guessing yours is on the right. Did you use the all day clone here on HBT? Wondering how yours turned out

 

[Jeffries55]

Yep and yep! I had to make substitutions because I couldn't find any Amarillo, so the first two batches I bumped it up to 8 lbs pale and Citra in place of Amarillo. Brewed a 3rd batch (pictured) and kept everything the same but added a half ounce of Chinook to the dry hop. While it's still delicious, I did snag 3 Oz (limit) of Amarillo from the brew store today, so the next batch will be per the recipe on here (Amarillo, Simcoe, and crystal). I don't know that I would use Chinook in this recipe again... Or maybe just less of it, but it was missing those floral / grapefruit notes).

 

[rjschroed]

WLP001 and 1056 are the same yeast and for sure what I would go with. Summit, as I recall, is sort of a strange little hop that isn't used too often. Or at least if it is, it isn't publicized like some other hops. I don't know that cascade is a reasonable substitution but who knows if you even notice it in such small proportions. You might be on to something with less honey malt. On my system (meaning the way I brew with my equipment), I don't have any problems producing an extremely fermentable wort (super dry) and even then 8 oz of honey malt scares me a little. My advice would be to adjust that to your system. Keep us posted on how this one is coming along.

 

[Jeffries55]

WLP001 and 1056 are the same yeast and for sure what I would go with.

Yeah, I prefer using the smack pack for some unknown reason, but I've used both before.

Summit, as I recall, is sort of a strange little hop that isn't used too often. Or at least if it is, it isn't publicized like some other hops. I don't know that cascade is a reasonable substitution but who knows if you even notice it in such small proportions.

I looked up the sub chart on Brew365 (also same one at my store, Listermanns) and decided to go with Cascade. I did have the choice to use Amarillo, because the brew store had just gotten their shipment of it for the month (they only get 20 oz / month) and I bought as much as they limit customers to (3 per). As you said, in such small proportions I don't think you'd notice a huge difference, which is why I'm saving the Amarillo for a recipe that will feature it.

Finally, some details:

OG: 1.065
Vol: ~ 5.75 - 6 gallons
Pitched yeast @ 77°

Fermentation began about 24 hours after. It's now going full speed, have a nice krausen this morning!

 

[brewski09]

I looked up the sub chart on Brew365 (also same one at my store, Listermanns) and decided to go with Cascade. I did have the choice to use Amarillo, because the brew store had just gotten their shipment of it for the month (they only get 20 oz / month) and I bought as much as they limit customers to (3 per). As you said, in such small proportions I don't think you'd notice a huge difference, which is why I'm saving the Amarillo for a recipe that will feature it.

2 questions.

1) what supplier does your LHBS use for Amarillo? Mine uses Hop Union and has been out for some time. The other ones have a poor quality hop

2) Summit has a "dank" quality that cascade lacks. You may want to blend with some high quality CTZ or Apollo hops to fill this one out.

 

[Jeffries55]

1) what supplier does your LHBS use for Amarillo? Mine uses Hop Union and has been out for some time. The other ones have a poor quality hop

I'll check when I get home, I know it's not Hop Union, it's a gold nitro sealed packet with a black/red label.

2) Summit has a "dank" quality that cascade lacks. You may want to blend with some high quality CTZ or Apollo hops to fill this one out.

Well, since I have 2-3 days until I can dry-hop, what should I use instead of Cascade (remember, it's only 5 grams / .17 oz). The three hops I have that I think would work:

• Columbus (Received these in March when I bought my Mash Tun from someone on here)
• Zeus (Received these in March when I bought my Mash Tun from someone on here)
• Amarillo (Bought this weekend)
• Cascade (Bought this weekend)

Do you think I should up the usage in the dry-hop? I had the option to buy Galaxy hops but I didn't :/

 

[brewski09]

I'll check when I get home, I know it's not Hop Union, it's a gold nitro sealed packet with a black/red label.

Well, since I have 2-3 days until I can dry-hop, what should I use instead of Cascade (remember, it's only 5 grams / .17 oz). The three hops I have that I think would work:


[*]Columbus (Received these in March when I bought my Mash Tun from someone on here)
[*]Zeus (Received these in March when I bought my Mash Tun from someone on here)
[*]Amarillo (Bought this weekend)
[*]Cascade (Bought this weekend)


Do you think I should up the usage in the dry-hop? I had the option to buy Galaxy hops but I didn't :/

5g is a very small amount in the whole scheme of things. I do about a half ounce per 5 gallons I I want to notice something. The Columbus and Zeus are the same thing from different suppliers (CTZ=Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus). I would think doing 5g each of the cascade and either the Columbus or Zeus (whichever has a more pungent aroma) would be fine here. The Amarillo are beautiful in dry hops, but not right to clone this beer.

I picked up some galaxy the other day. Going to do a single hop pale ale with them to see how they fare. Should be tasty.

Just my thoughts.

 

[rjschroed]

small amounts like this is what you run into when your doing clone recipes. . . at the brewery they are using a more reasonable amount since their system is so much larger. the hop amounts were based on a ratio we were clued into earlier on. when I designed the recipe, I designed it at full scale ( at the time I looked up tbk's brew house size) and then I scaled it down to our size and tweaked a little. I'd use the Columbus or Zeus. just pick one, such a small amount will be hard to notice. just make sure they don't smell cheesy. . . that's no good.

 

[BrunstuckyJoe]

Try Yakimahops.com ....they have everything.....I don't work for him, but buy from him often.

 

[Jeffries55]

What supplier does your LHBS use for Amarillo?

BSG Handcraft... is this the one you're talking about being poor?

 

[brewski09]

BSG Handcraft... is this the one you're talking about being poor?

Nope. I'll see if my LHBS can get any in. I would bet they had to sign a contract and didn't do it though

 

[Jeffries55]

With all that said in the last few posts, I will stick with the original plan for the dry hop:

1.00 oz Citra
0.50 oz Centennial
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin
0.17 oz Cascade [5g]
0.17 oz Columbus [5g]

I've typically dry-hopped in the primary before transferring to a seconday, but think I'm going to rack to secondary, dry hop for 7 days and then rack to another bucket for conditioning (4-7 days). Anyone else do this / see significant results in flavor/aroma/clarity?

 

[brewski09]

With all that said in the last few posts, I will stick with the original plan for the dry hop:

1.00 oz Citra
0.50 oz Centennial
0.33 oz Nelson Sauvin
0.17 oz Cascade [5g]
0.17 oz Columbus [5g]

I've typically dry-hopped in the primary before transferring to a seconday, but think I'm going to rack to secondary, dry hop for 7 days and then rack to another bucket for conditioning (4-7 days). Anyone else do this / see significant results in flavor/aroma/clarity?

I rack to secondary and dry hop in there for 7 days (or whenever it seems to be clearing). I rack into a bottling bucket making sure the siphon tube is angled to make a gentile whirlpool effect. No tertiary though.

 

[Jeffries55]

UPDATE:

Was going to rack to secondary and dry-hop last night, but there was still a significant krausen and consistent bubbling in the blowoff bath. Early fermentation was blowing some of the krausen through the blowoff tube, my bath (star-san & water) is now slightly colored from the Krausen. I'm sure it has to be near 1.014 at least, but because of the heavy krausen i decided not to drop my hydrometer in. Couldn't gage the smell because of the krausen, will update again after i sample it (before dry hop).

 

[BUCKNUTS]

Finally got around to brewing my first attempt at this using pretty much the Rjschroed's recipe with minor tweaks. Ended up overshooting gravity a bit 1.072 was aiming for 1.067 but I can live with that I'll post again in 2 weeks when I rack to secondary for dry hops.

 

[Jeffries55]

Racked to secondary and added dry hops. Checked the SG and it was around 1.010 - 1.013 (couldn't tell because i checked after i added hops and they blocked the reading).

Tastes pretty hoppy, though there was still quite a bit of sediment that needs to drop to the bottom, so next saturday when i rack out of secondary into another bucket (for conditioning / clarification) i'll get a better idea how it's actually going to be!

Sorry for the blurry photo, thought it was clear but guess not.

 

[Jeffries55]

Finally got around to brewing my first attempt at this using pretty much the Rjschroed's recipe with minor tweaks.

Awesome, look forward to the updates!

Ended up overshooting gravity a bit 1.072 was aiming for 1.067 but I can live with that.

Oh the horror! I think you should pour it out and try again

 

[BUCKNUTS]

Oh the horror! I think you should pour it out and try again

Haha. The color of your beer is looking pretty close. Looking forward to your thoughts on the fonished beer.

 

[Jeffries55]

The color of your beer is looking pretty close.

From what i recall, White Rajah looks like it was made from all 2-row pale, i'm quite happy with the color, but yeah... the flavor changes a lot from 7-14 days (especially after dry-hop). It is quite good now, and it would be a quite good beer even without dry hopping, but that's just blasphemy! Hoping to find a bottle of White Rajah at the grocery tonight to compare in 3 weeks (If I can resist drinking it until then)

 

[BUCKNUTS]

From what i recall, White Rajah looks like it was made from all 2-row pale, i'm quite happy with the color, but yeah... the flavor changes a lot from 7-14 days (especially after dry-hop). It is quite good now, and it would be a quite good beer even without dry hopping, but that's just blasphemy! Hoping to find a bottle of White Rajah at the grocery tonight to compare in 3 weeks (If I can resist drinking it until then)

Rajah is definitely one of the palest ipas ive ever had it looks like a cream ale or something similar. The wort from my brew day today was one of the lightest ive produced but i have nothing but trouble with color in the program i use its never right maybe its me idk. The srm should be less than 6 according to my recipe. Time will tell i suppose.

 

[BrunstuckyJoe]

I'm curious to see how close you think it tastes compared to the real thing. It's been hard to get here....I stop in at the restaurant a couple days a week to look for it.

 

[BUCKNUTS]

I'm curious to see how close you think it tastes compared to the real thing. It's been hard to get here....I stop in at the restaurant a couple days a week to look for it.

I increased the 5 minute addition and am using 4 oz of dry hops which is a combo of all 6 hops. In my system at least there is no way i would get the kind of flavor and aroma that Rajah has from a couple oz of aroma and dry hops. I always have a hard time finding White Rajah here in North West Ohio but i buy it up when o do see it be ause I think it's the best beer i've ever drank and I have had many many many ipas. If I can produce somethong close to White Rajah I would be a happy man.

 

[BUCKNUTS]

I increased the 5 minute addition and am using 4 oz of dry hops which is a combo of all 6 hops. In my system at least there is no way i would get the kind of flavor and aroma that Rajah has from a couple oz of aroma and dry hops. I always have a hard time finding White Rajah here in North West Ohio but i buy it up when o do see it be ause I think it's the best beer i've ever drank and I have had many many many ipas. If I can produce somethong close to White Rajah I would be a happy man.

All 5 hops not 6 ive had this phone for years and still cant type on it