where to get food grade/human grade ethanol and muriatic acid?

[foodgrade]

is there a book that shows you what turns into what if you mix what with what?

on Amazon, there are ethanol for sale 200 proof on the industrial and scientific section, here's one:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M7YFRQ/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

Amazing, the things you learn on here. I might still have some chemistry books that told how to make nitro. Mix that with some ethanol & some high test....

 

[ajdelange]

We got the smell. And the pH drop.

Equal amts of kosher salt and baking soda were heated and the gas was bubbled into a beaker of cold water.

pH intitial: 8.18
pH final: 5.88

Interesting. from the numbers (pK's) I didn't think you'd get enough HCl to detect but I guess the sniffer is pretty sensitive. The modest final pH indicates that the yield of the reaction is small - in fact if you hadn't mentioned the smell I'd suggest that the drop was entirely caused by the CO2.

Anyway, if you want to make HCl at home sulphuric acid is the way to go. That's how all the meth labs do it...

 

[ajdelange]

So there aren't any non concentrated forms of HCL acids for sale? I thought I may have seen one. Not sure exactly what its use for in an alcoholic beverage nor what ethanol is for exactly. Is it an extractor? What is it extracting? Hops?

OK I try to stay away from the dangerous stuff so help me out here, would neutral spirits be the option? Would that be the name of the product I should be looking for? Is ethanol safe for human consumption depending on purity? Who would sell these in human grade form?

Given that you don't know what these substances are nor what they are for, even though their use in brewing has been explained several times here and that you don't even understand the relationship of ethanol to alcoholic beverages I have to conclude that either you definitely should not be playing with chemicals of any kind or that your motivation is not what it ostensibly seems.

 

[passedpawn]

Interesting. from the numbers (pK's) I didn't think you'd get enough HCl to detect but I guess the sniffer is pretty sensitive. The modest final pH indicates that the yield of the reaction is small - in fact if you hadn't mentioned the smell I'd suggest that the drop was entirely caused by the CO2.

Anyway, if you want to make HCl at home sulphuric acid is the way to go. That's how all the meth labs do it...

Maybe the smell came from the hot PVC tubing and I was fooling myself. Pretty inconclusive test really, but my boy and I had fun.

 

[EJay]

So there aren't any non concentrated forms of HCL acids for sale? I thought I may have seen one. Not sure exactly what its use for in an alcoholic beverage nor what ethanol is for exactly. Is it an extractor? What is it extracting? Hops?

Someone earlier said it was used for adjusting pH in English breweries. I've never used it myself. I would not be surprised if it is sold under some other common name -- some cleaner, perhaps.

OK I try to stay away from the dangerous stuff so help me out here, would neutral spirits be the option?

The option for WHAT? I don't think I caught what you're trying to accomplish.

Would that be the name of the product I should be looking for?

Vodka or Everclear comes to mind.

Is ethanol safe for human consumption depending on purity?

Ethanol is safe so long as its not mixed with something unsafe and you don't consume too much. I will be producing some this afternoon in fact. Mine will be about 6% and mixed with various organic matter (and probably acetaldehyde, if BJCP judges are to be believed).

Who would sell these in human grade form?

Virtually every liquor store.

What, specifically, are you trying to accomplish? You're on the troll watch list at this point, coming into a homebrew forum and asking if anyone know anything about Ethanol

 

[pablosbrewing]

is there a book that shows you what turns into what if you mix what with what?

on Amazon, there are ethanol for sale 200 proof on the industrial and scientific section, here's one:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M7YFRQ/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

That is denatured with methanol which is toxic. Blindness and insanity are the side effects of drinking it.

 

[chickypad]

Wow, for something that screams troll posting this thread got wonderfully derailed, abounding in mods and water experts!

So I'm still unsure, have we established yet what the purpose of ethanol is in alcoholic beverages?

 

[unionrdr]

Well, you like getting buzzed on your beer, don't you? Thank ethanol produced as yeast peeing in your wort... ...Sorta like us, they drink the wort, then pee & fart...

 

[foodgrade]

So when you say 6 percent, how pure was your ethanol? If it's 100%, how do you get down to 6% of your final product, do you dilute it with what?

Ethanol is safe so long as its not mixed with something unsafe and you don't consume too much. I will be producing some this afternoon in fact. Mine will be about 6% and mixed with various organic matter (and probably acetaldehyde, if BJCP judges are to be believed).

 

[EJay]

So when you say 6 percent, how pure was your ethanol? If it's 100%, how do you get down to 6% of your final product, do you dilute it with what?

Not very pure. It's 94% other stuff. Water, barley, yeast, hops, etc. I don't dilute. It's building up from zero.

You need to tell us why you're asking these questions. If you're really creating some sort of food or legal drink, we might actually help you out. But right now based on this and other posts, its coming across as you're looking for chemicals for a meth lab or other illegal activity and HBT isn't the place for that.

 

[norrisk66]

"Food-grade" Ethanol=Everclear.

 

[MaxStout]

But right now based on this and other posts, its coming across as you're looking for chemicals for a meth lab or other illegal activity and HBT isn't the place for that.

Or he's....

 

[xcxgh]

Like moonshine? Ethanol is used in gas because it's very flammable it's the chemical found in all alcoholic beverages.

 

[foodgrade]

would a local brewer have some type of "sessions" they offer for those interested in brewing? That would be cool. How did those commercial brewers learn to brew, is there a school for it?

As I am new here, someone told me before that buying those "kits" may be more expensive than just buying what I actually need. I remembered buying an aquarium kit and I was sent all kinds of stuff I didn't need when all I ever needed was the aquarium itself but instead they sold me a "kit" for about $200 when I could have gotten just an aquarium at Walmart for $20 to $30. This was for another hobby though not "brewing". LOL

 

[foodgrade]

Ned Flanders

Not very pure. It's 94% other stuff. Water, barley, yeast, hops, etc. I don't dilute. It's building up from zero.

You need to tell us why you're asking these questions. If you're really creating some sort of food or legal drink, we might actually help you out. But right now based on this and other posts, its coming across as you're looking for chemicals for a meth lab or other illegal activity and HBT isn't the place for that.

 

[gjgxgh]

Like moonshine? Ethanol is used in gas because it's very flammable it's the chemical found in all alcoholic beverages.