Hogarthe
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if I read that correctly, that is a recipe for underwear beer??! and the best part is it calls for "ripe" underwear, lol.
If along with chicken soup it fits the following criteria,
Which means that the CLASSIC recipe for Cock Ale (that the term cocktail comes from) which is not too different from your argument of "fermented chicken soup," is STILL a beer.....an ALE, actually.
It's a beer!!!!!!
Which if anyone wants to see it brewed, go to this thread.
Revvy,
Not trying to be snobbish, all things have their place. B/M/C, by purchasing a stake and distribuiting these smaller names, They are exposing a whole new generation to something other than Bud Light, MGD, or Coors.
My issue is that they do it in such a way that you don't know that is one of their mass produced products.
November 30, 2006 - Ambitious Brew Part One
We learn about the history of beer in the USA from Maureen Ogle, author of "Ambitious Brew - The Story of American Beer." Part one takes us from the Pilgrims to Prohibition.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/basicbrewing/bbr11-30-06.mp3
December 7, 2006 - Ambitious Brew Part Two
We continue our discussion about the history of beer in the USA with Maureen Ogle, author of "Ambitious Brew - The Story of American Beer." Part two takes us from Prohibition to the present day.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/basicbrewing/bbr12-07-06.mp3
this is excellent....the thread was a smashing success, as we are all better off (at least more informed) because of this exchange. I would like to make a small case for "snobbishness", but would rather call it discernment. We might be able to agree that the American populous is prone to "settle" for what is sold to them in many cases. we bought pintos and chevettes, pet rocks, tennis shoes that hurt our feet when we ran, cereal made mostly of sugar, etc. I would heartily agree that people are entitled to what they like, and try really hard not to judge them for it. Sometimes, people just need more information, they need to know that there is something else that provides better value. As long as everyone they know is doing what their doing, buying what they're buying, consuming what they're consuming - access to this information, and the impetus to use it may not be there. But along comes the new guy snob down the street, who is in every other way respectable and he says "I can't do that....it's not good". He represents a change-agent for those around him that may very well be badly needed. In this way, if he is able to influence others so that they can perceive value differently, he can help them enrich their lives with choices they never knew they had. If he can do this non-judgementally, hail to the snob......
I would like to make a small case for "snobbishness", but would rather call it discernment. We might be able to agree that the American populous is prone to "settle" for what is sold to them in many cases. we bought pintos and chevettes, pet rocks, tennis shoes that hurt our feet when we ran, cereal made mostly of sugar, etc. I would heartily agree that people are entitled to what they like, and try really hard not to judge them for it. Sometimes, people just need more information, they need to know that there is something else that provides better value.
we will have to just disagree on this, and I'm sure by your logic and apparent values Revvy, that you will not judge people as being brewdouches or add insult here. I think that we need out discerners, but I agree they don't have to be jerks. but we probably need our jerks in society too....we learn from contrast.
we will have to just disagree on this, and I'm sure by your logic and apparent values Revvy, that you will not judge people as being brewdouches or add insult here. I think that we need out discerners, but I agree they don't have to be jerks. but we probably need our jerks in society too....we learn from contrast.
I knew I was gonna be slapped down for a poorly posed debate question, the question I intended to ask is about what people consider "beer", not what we like verses don't like. when does something go from beer to wine, of from beer to a cooler?
rclink he just said "don't judge" at all. you either do or you don't judge people.
The problem with your logic is that you are simply assuming that people only drink BMC because they don't know any better. The fact is that if you want a light lager, BMC is a "better value" than a craft brew. Sure, these folks would probably like Blue Paddle, but it costs what 3 times as much. If the purpose is just to have a nice easy drinking light lager to enjoy, BMC makes sense.
To point to the car example, if all you want is a car that will get you from point A to point B, buying a $100,000 car is a waste. It would be better to buy an inexpensive, reliable car without the bells and whistles that you don't care about.
I laugh when someone brings up the Reinheitsgebot to claim that real beer must only have barley, hops, water and yeast. They fail to realize the law was not meant to define beer but to keep down the price of bread by keeping wheat and rye from going into the mash tun.
Why would modern brewers limit themselves by an outdated German price control scheme?
Further evidence of brauereisterben is depressingly easy to pile on. Berlin, which sustained some 700 breweries in the early 19th century, now counts only about a dozen firms. Amid the ruins, highly trained German brew masters are giving up and heading to the United States—even to sleepy Covington, La., where Henryk Orlik, a graduate of Munich's prestigious Doemens Academy, settled down in 1994. "I came here for the great American craft beer industry," the Heiner Brau founder told me recently over samples of freshly brewed pilsner in his charming little brew house just off the town square. Adding insult to injury, craft brewers in the United States have largely taken over the prestigious international-brewing awards circuit. Sierra Nevada Brewing Co., founded 30 years ago by home brewer Ken Grossman in Chico, Calif., took top honors in a hotly contested 2010 World Beer Cup category, besting 68 other brands, many of them German. The bracket? German-style pilsner.
revvy, it's not "being better" than other people to be interested in something enough to learn and be discerning. it is simply the desire to get more out of life. if one can share ones knowledge with others to enrich their lives too...why is that bad....who are our teachers? in order to help others, we have to make contrasts and therefore expose ourselves to being called snobs.
revvy, it's not "being better" than other people to be interested in something enough to learn and be discerning. it is simply the desire to get more out of life. if one can share ones knowledge with others to enrich their lives too...why is that bad....who are our teachers? in order to help others, we have to make contrasts and therefore expose ourselves to being called snobs.
let's take this out of the beer context to make the point. In my life, i have been exposed to all kinds of entertainment. I have read some of the "great" books, i have been to some of the finest museums, i have been to broadway shows, i have been to the ballet. I have been exposed to all of this, but i would still prefer to sit in front of my tv or go to a movie. That is my personal taste. I know that other people would prefer any one of the other alternatives, and i don't begrudge them or judge them for their taste. But the second that one of those idiots judges me and tells me that i need to enjoy these other things to be a well rounded person, i tell them to go to hell.
+1,000,000
It's only teaching if the student is willing.....then it's a partnership between teacher and student.
If there's not willingness, then it's shoving things down people's throats....and nobody likes a D!CKtator.
And let's be honest, many people who claim to have "discerning taste" in beer and say they want to educate others simply assume that when I say I don't like something it is because my palate is simply not refined enough.
I no longer care who brews what or who drinks what. I think beer is beer, and this is the best time to drink/brew beer. There's plenty for everyone...those who like light lagers and those who like ales...we have plenty to choose from. Hell even in my chain grocery store, there's now more craft beer on the shelves than BMCs.
I wonder how many members are going to edit their signatures on what they are brewing and/or what's in their kegs/bottles
I, for one only started drinking beer a few months ago when my boss gave me one of his home brews.....
Dang, I thought this topic was going to be about "when is it not beer", so disappointed.
I made a batch of pale ale, not sure what went wrong but it soured. So I added strawberries, corn sugar and wine yeast to it, the yeast to get things going again. Now I'm not sure what it is. Do I age it like wine or bottle it like beer? It's just this strange concoction now and I don't know if it's wine or beer or something else entirely. Carb and bottle it or age it like wine? It is tasting very good, but not sure what it is. Started with 2-row, hops, and beer yeast, so it's beer?
I think I lost the answer to the question, what is beer? somewhere along the way. So what I made is beer since it has the basic ingredients and everything else is just extra? Carb and bottle it?
What's the gravity? And what would you say the majority of fermentables are from, the grain or the fruit?
Well, I don't do gravity readings, but the ABV I am sure is over 10%, probably closer to 15%. A small glass and got a good buzz from it. I would probably say half and half, when I added the strawberries and sugar, I tried to match 1:1 what I already had in there. Thanks.
Who cares what you call it. If you like, drink it. If it seems like it needs to be aged, age it. If you think it needs to be carbed up now, carb it up.
Now, I have to go brew some beer!
There's no wrong answer here. You could treat half like beer, and carb it, then treat half as wine, still and age it. And see what you like best.
I will try to temper my pink cloud induced over-zealousness
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