What is the one best change you've made to upgrade your beer quality?

[Kaz15]

1. Going from extract to all grain BIAB. I made this change very early on in my homebrew career and never looked back.

2. Switching from carbon filtered tap water to an RO system and building the water profile to style. I made this switch about 6 months ago and the results have been astounding. Our tap water here in the Denver area isn't bad for homebrewing, but it's not perfect for most styles. Before the switch, I noticed that all of my beers were starting to taste alike and bit "meh". Getting an inexpensive RO filter has been a game changer. Hard to explain, but the flavors just pop more for each style. I'm still experimenting with profiles for certain styles, but I'm convinced that this one change has taken my brews to the next level.

 

[danielthemaniel]

I just started doing this as well on my last handful of batches. I really like it. If a keg is just going to sit in a corner of my basement anyway, might as well have it carbonating so it's ready to go when a tap frees up. Some claim that keg priming also helps to consume dissolved oxygen in the beer. If that's true, then great. But even without it, I think it's still a very worthwhile and convenient method.

It never crossed my mind to add priming sugar to a keg but it makes sense. It would save on co2 costs. I'm sure a good portion of the co2 used in a typical tank is used in force carbonation. Also, reducing DO makes sense. You are recreating fermentation by adding consumable sugars to the beer. The yeast, of course, consumes sugar and oxygen and creates ethanol and carbon dioxide. My only small aversion to this is that I would be adding around 0.2% ABV to the beer. However, it seems the pros far ok outweigh the cons. Thanks for the idea!

 

[KookyBrewsky]

I am leaving extract behind after 5 brews, I can see where I'm headed and might as well jump in, I've got my Wilser BIAB setup ready. All I'm waiting on is a replacement Spike+ brew kettle for the one that arrived in poor condition.

I have a question for those who keg : many say you can go from grain to glass in 10 days. What changes outside of carbonation? How do the "green" flavors commonly present in a fully carbonated glass of beer disappear so quickly in a carbonated keg of beer?

I'm looking to keg myself, but I'll always be a hybrid, I love having bottles of beer.

Second question, is a DIY kegerator worth it? Or is it worth it to get a well-made prebuilt one? Mini-fridges are very uncommon used around here, it's got an elderly population, they don't seem to use them that much :|

 

[RPh_Guy]

FWIW I bottle and I go from grain to glass in less than 10 days.

 

[KookyBrewsky]

FWIW I bottle and I go from grain to glass in less than 10 days.

Do you bottle and keg, or solely bottle? Is all-grain quicker to become enjoyable than the extracts I've brewed?

I have the first bottle of my third batch in the fridge now, I did 3 weeks primary, and it's been bottle conditioning for 2.5 weeks. Right at the 3 week mark I'm going to try it because I'm so excited to try my first non stout/porter homebrew. My chocolate stout extract is quite a bit less flavorful than most stouts I've had Oh well, I'll be drinking all of them knowing I made it and that's still enjoyable.

 

[dnr]

Stopped stressing it.

I know that in the end, the worst thing that will happen is I don't have a great beer.
Have you ever had a Rolling Rock?

 

[RPh_Guy]

Do you bottle and keg, or solely bottle? Is all-grain quicker to become enjoyable than the extracts I've brewed?

Solely bottle. I'm not completely sure about extract vs all grain timeframe since I never did extract, but they're probably the same.

 

[deuce40]

Kegging was the single best thing that I noticed that made the largest improvement to my beer. idk what about it made a difference but while I was bottling I noticed that after fermentation my beer would taste great. I would get excited for a batch then after bottling and letting condition for the necessary time to condition my beer in the bottles the flavor would change drastically. I never had the ability to control the temps of the bottles while they were conditioning so I think that's where my problem was. I was initially brewing in Florida so temp in my house would swing some times in the house. I moved to Colorado and had the same issues but I feel like my brews were better during the winter months when average temps in my apartment were cooler.

Now that I'm kegging I found that my beers are what I'm expecting after tasting the sample when packaging. Added bonus I get to drink my beer much sooner with burst carbonation.

 

[deuce40]

FWIW I bottle and I go from grain to glass in less than 10 days.

Whats your process looks like that's a crazy turnover for a bottled beer!

 

[RPh_Guy]

I would get excited for a batch then after bottling and letting condition for the necessary time to condition my beer in the bottles the flavor would change drastically.

That's oxidation.

 

[deuce40]

That's oxidation.

Probably but I always heard that bottle conditioning would scavenge the oxygen that would be introduced during bottling.

 

[RPh_Guy]

Probably but I always heard that bottle conditioning would scavenge the oxygen that would be introduced during bottling.

Only with a good process, otherwise (e.g. most home brewers' processes), not.

Whats your process looks like that's a crazy turnover for a bottled beer!

I use a low-oxygen brewing process, which is good brewing practices combined with oxygen avoidance and active oxygen scavenging.
RO water with a custom mineral profile.
Proper mash and kettle pH adjustments.
Good wort clarity from recirculation and kettle fining.
Fast chilling, and subsequent settling.
Proper wort aeration/oxygenation.
Yeast nutrient (zinc) direct to fermenter.
Pitch fresh healthy yeast at high kraüsen from a continuously stirred starter.
Active temperature control.
Spunding (yes, in the bottle), or fermenter priming and botting directly from there.
Rouse the yeast during carbonation and it carbs in 1-3 days.

Ales should be not only drinkable, but delicious in about a week or less. Additional cold conditioning is helpful for lagers (after packaging).

 

[deuce40]

Only with a good process, otherwise (e.g. most home brewers' processes), not.


I use a low-oxygen brewing process, which is good brewing practices combined with oxygen avoidance and active oxygen scavenging.
RO water with a custom mineral profile.
Proper mash and kettle pH adjustments.
Good wort clarity from recirculation and kettle fining.
Fast chilling, and subsequent settling.
Proper wort aeration/oxygenation.
Yeast nutrient (zinc) direct to fermenter.
Pitch fresh healthy yeast at high kraüsen from a continuously stirred starter.
Active temperature control.
Spunding (yes, in the bottle), or fermenter priming and botting directly from there.
Rouse the yeast during carbonation and it carbs in 1-3 days.

Ales should be not only drinkable, but delicious in about a week or less. Additional settling time is helpful for lagers.

That's awesome, glad your getting good results that quickly! One of my issues with bottling was the fact it takes so long. With that being said I'll never bottle again ahaha.

 

[KookyBrewsky]

Only with a good process, otherwise (e.g. most home brewers' processes), not.


I use a low-oxygen brewing process, which is good brewing practices combined with oxygen avoidance and active oxygen scavenging.
RO water with a custom mineral profile.
Proper mash and kettle pH adjustments.
Good wort clarity from recirculation and kettle fining.
Fast chilling, and subsequent settling.
Proper wort aeration/oxygenation.
Yeast nutrient (zinc) direct to fermenter.
Pitch fresh healthy yeast at high kraüsen from a continuously stirred starter.
Active temperature control.
Spunding (yes, in the bottle), or fermenter priming and botting directly from there.
Rouse the yeast during carbonation and it carbs in 1-3 days.

Ales should be not only drinkable, but delicious in about a week or less. Additional cold conditioning is helpful for lagers (after packaging).

Any big pieces of advice you have for us bottlers? Going to brew my 6th batch soon, first all-grain... I'll be transferring to a fermentation bucket post boil via my Spike+ kettle, sealing it as usual after pitching yeast, then transferring from the fermentation bucket to my bottling bucket and to bottles via a spring-loaded bottle filer. Any way I could further reduce oxygen issues besides being careful?

 

[RPh_Guy]

Any big pieces of advice you have for us bottlers?

Absolutely!

See here:
https://modernbrewhouse.com/wiki/Low_oxygen_brewing#Bottling

 

[KookyBrewsky]

Absolutely!

See here:
https://modernbrewhouse.com/wiki/Low_oxygen_brewing#Bottling

Thanks! Spunding sounds pretty cool and seems natural do do... Going to figure that one out for my first all-grain batch.

 

[danielthemaniel]

I am leaving extract behind after 5 brews, I can see where I'm headed and might as well jump in, I've got my Wilser BIAB setup ready. All I'm waiting on is a replacement Spike+ brew kettle for the one that arrived in poor condition.

I have a question for those who keg : many say you can go from grain to glass in 10 days. What changes outside of carbonation? How do the "green" flavors commonly present in a fully carbonated glass of beer disappear so quickly in a carbonated keg of beer?

I'm looking to keg myself, but I'll always be a hybrid, I love having bottles of beer.

Second question, is a DIY kegerator worth it? Or is it worth it to get a well-made prebuilt one? Mini-fridges are very uncommon used around here, it's got an elderly population, they don't seem to use them that much :|

I think you will really enjoy kegging! It's made things much simpler for me and honestly it's pretty cool to have beer on tap at home. I dont go grain to glass in 10 days, personally. I suppose you could but like you said the beer is likely to be a little green. To me, that means the flavor profile is under developed. Also you can have a strong yeast like flavor as there is still a lot of yeast in suspension. Cold crashing can help but there will still be a lot of yeast that take time to drop out. I notice the under developed flavors are more noticable when the malt bill is using higher lovibond malts. The dark the malt the more time it takes to mature in the beer for me. Hops on the other hand are typically more lively in a green beer as they have less flavors to compete with. You can get hop burn from concentrated oils that have sunk to the bottom of the keg during the first few pours.
As far as DIY kegging units, I strongly recommend going that route. You save a LOT of money putting it together yourself. You can easily teach yourself by doing some quick and readily available research on the internet. I'd be happy to help if you have questions. Also, you learn how the different pieces of equipment work which is invaluable experience as you will certainly have issues that you will have to troubleshoot from time to time.

 

[RPh_Guy]

I suppose you could but like you said the beer is likely to be a little green.

Beer is "green" because of fermentation-related off flavors. That issue can be avoided.

 

[danielthemaniel]

Beer is "green" because of fermentation-related off flavors. That issue can be avoided.

Perhaps I am using the wrong verbiage. I was referring to beer that has not developed it's full flavor profile because it is too young.

 

[KookyBrewsky]

Perhaps I am using the wrong verbiage. I was referring to beer that has not developed it's full flavor profile because it is too young.

If it's done fermenting, what does being young encompass?

As in, what changes occur from green beer to peak beer?

 

[danielthemaniel]

If it's done fermenting, what does being young encompass?

As in, what changes occur from green beer to peak beer?

I've noticed with just about any better, whether its homebrew or commercial that the flavor profile will develop over time. Some styles more than others, of course. I like to take annual releases and keep them for multiple years so I can compare different years. Just in my own homebrew I can definitely tell a difference between a fully fermented beer that is 14 days old and that same beer once it is 30 or 60 or 90 days old. The flavor definitely develops. Especially in darker styles. Just my experience anyway.

 

[RPh_Guy]

I've noticed with just about any better, whether its homebrew or commercial that the flavor profile will develop over time. Some styles more than others, of course. I like to take annual releases and keep them for multiple years so I can compare different years. Just in my own homebrew I can definitely tell a difference between a fully fermented beer that is 14 days old and that same beer once it is 30 or 60 or 90 days old. The flavor definitely develops. Especially in darker styles. Just my experience anyway.

What you're tasting is the effect of oxidation.
George Fix refers to 4 stages of oxidation. Stage A is "brewery fresh", stage B exhibits muted flavors. Stage C tastes papery and kind of disgusting, grassy, cat piss, etc. In stage D almost all that flavor is gone and it's mainly just sweet and smooth.

Most brewers are shooting for keeping the beer in stage A or B all through the time it's consumed. However if you don't have a really solid cold side process, then your beer is starting at stage C when you start drinking it. In that case it may not taste great starting out and it becomes a waiting game while the oxidation progresses and the flavor improves over time.

 

[KookyBrewsky]

I've noticed with just about any better, whether its homebrew or commercial that the flavor profile will develop over time. Some styles more than others, of course. I like to take annual releases and keep them for multiple years so I can compare different years. Just in my own homebrew I can definitely tell a difference between a fully fermented beer that is 14 days old and that same beer once it is 30 or 60 or 90 days old. The flavor definitely develops. Especially in darker styles. Just my experience anyway.

Interesting. I’m just wondering how beer changes chemically over time... I have no way to find out D:

 

[RPh_Guy]

Interesting. I’m just wondering how beer changes chemically over time... I have no way to find out D:

There are lots of scientific articles about oxidation, and the "clean-up" of certain fermentation byproducts by the yeast.

 

[VTX1300]

I am not sure if there is just one thing that takes beer from good to great. I believe it is attention to all the little details and education that add up to great beer. If you want to succeed you must first do your homework. This is the philosophy I have always lived by.

 

[Brewbuzzard]

I agree with VTX. But sense you asked for one I'll go with paying more attention to the water. We've been using RO for two years and although we both won in competition using Dallas water the wins have increased as well as the level of placing. I just installed my new RO system today so no more buying and carrying water.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

I have a question for those who keg : many say you can go from grain to glass in 10 days. What changes outside of carbonation? How do the "green" flavors commonly present in a fully carbonated glass of beer disappear so quickly in a carbonated keg of beer?

I keg. I don't go from grain to glass in 10 days. Most of my non-dry-hopped beers are probably about ready to keg in 10 days, but my brew and keg days usually fall on the weekends. I moved to "set and forget" carbonation, mostly because I found my beers were usually better at 4 weeks so I don't see a reason to rush the carbonation process (maybe if I had a dual regulator I would be more temped, but I have had to deal with overcarbed beers in the past).